US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[tehpope]

Boomers are so fucking self-absorbed that they're stuck in the past because they feel like they were the ones who pushed the final domino to enact the "end of history" (in the Whig view of history) with Civil Rights.

Its a literal name of a book. Francis Fukuyama is the author. "The End of History and the last man". He was talking about this in the context to the fall of the soviet union and iron curtain. And then you have people like John B. Judis & Ruy Teixeira writing "The Emerging Democratic Majority". Basically saying conservatives and the right will die out and the liberal progressives will take over and hold power. Forever. That did happen and we're living in the fallout. Now they won't have power forever since people are feeling the effects of their policies and don't like it.

 

[Chop Top]

Basically saying conservatives and the right will die out and the liberal progressives will take over and hold power. Forever. That did happen and we're living in the fallout. Now they won't have power forever since people are feeling the effects of their policies and don't like it.

Also, hilariously, it's impossible for them to completely take over because their entire ideology is so individualistic and hedonist that people just piss their lives away doing what feels good in the moment. It's much more likely they will die out first, if anyone.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

DA Fani Willis was fucking this dude

Then she hired him to be her top man on the Trump case

Paid him hundreds of thousands

They went on vacations he paid for with the money he was paid by the DA office, her office

She claimed she paid him back her half of the vacation costs in cash cus black people always keep thousands in cash stashed in their home. Said she drove around town taking out thousands from multiple ATMs

She claimed she didn't start fucking him until after she hired him

She lied about all of this

Judge (who used to work for her in the DA office and donated to her DA election campaign) said you can recuse yourself or he can recuse himself

Her gigolo she hired to be her top cock on the case recused himself

Trump lawyers are appealing saying the judge's decision was wrong and she should have been forced to recuse herself

Georgia appeals court agreed to hear the appeal. An interlocutory appeal. Appeals courts rarely agree to hear an appeal of a judge's decision while the trial is still proceeding

damn, that's a great summary, thanks. do you have one you could make like this for the other 3 lolsuits?

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

https://twitter.com/courtsnewsIRL/status/1787857318865998151

https://twitter.com/anliathluachra/status/1787905916819357729

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It's all so tiring

The same government that tracks bible purchases and surveils parents for complaining at school board meetings once again proves it's safer to prey on children than it is to have an opinion.

 

[mandatorylurk]

One of the more populist congressmen from GA who does good tweets is now making people literally shake and fart and cum with this tweet, as the Meatball brigade drop their Black Rifle Coffee monocles. Context, in a Noem moment of too much information, RFK jr has said he has memory loss because there is a (now dead) worm in his brain:

Freedomworks, one of the original tea party grifters, is shutting down. Who they blame for being exposed as do nothing bitches will shock you!



archive link to the lolbertarians being lol'd out.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

One of the more populist congressmen from GA who does good tweets is now making people literally shake and fart and cum with this tweet, as the Meatball brigade drop their Black Rifle Coffee monocles. Context, in a Noem moment of too much information, RFK jr has said he has memory loss because there is a (now dead) worm in his brain:

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Freedomworks, one of the original tea party grifters, is shutting down. Who they blame for being exposed as do nothing bitches will shock you!

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archive link to the lolbertarians being lol'd out.

Hoooof, I needed a good laugh!

Tangentially, a parasite in the brain explains why he didn't run sooner.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

@ShitLurker

I honestly think Trumo has to go in with this card on his hand and the material power to achieve it. You will not clean the filth without decorating a lot of lampposts.

But Trump doesn't have it in him. Trump is not a killer.

Trump in of and by himself, doesn't need to be a killer as long as he shows the country these people need killing. And then gets out of the way of those who are killers to do what needs to be done.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

hearing that MTG is going for motion to vacate

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

Realistically, not much. But what he -won't- do is make the situation worse, giving 4 years for a resurgent right-wing and a populace increasingly aware of the level of fuckery in the country to entrench themselves.

Dismantling the Uniparty Machine will be a long project, but just having periods where the opposing force to it can dig in and grow is incredibly useful.

I've kind of got the feeling that if all their other machinations fail, they're just going to pull a Samson Option on the economy as soon as he gets into office. I mean, it's already a giant Potemkin Village held together with lies, spit and duct tape. Half of them thinks they can ride the tiger and be master of the ashes, and the other half are so close to death, they'd rather go out like Hector Salamanca from sheer spite and hatred.

I mean, I'm still going to vote for Trump, but he's a Gracchi at this point. Don't know who Sulla and Caesar are, but they're coming.

 

[Sniperwoof]

What exactly happens if folks at the CIA or FBI or whatever just say "no we will not leave, we will maintain our positions, and you will just sit there and deal with it?"

It's not like the military didn't blatantly refuse Trump's orders several times during his first term.

 

[Potatoherder]

The democrats saved their majority leader. Expect purges from committees and even more democrat bills to get passed.

https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/1788324465253716071

 

[ShitLurker]

@ShitLurker Trump in of and by himself, doesn't need to be a killer as long as he shows the country these people need killing. And then gets out of the way of those who are killers to do what needs to be done.

Hope Trump is clever about this is all I'll add since this is pretty close already to fedposting.

I've kind of got the feeling that if all their other machinations fail, they're just going to pull a Samson Option on the economy as soon as he gets into office. I mean, it's already a giant Potemkin Village held together with lies, spit and duct tape. Half of them thinks they can ride the tiger and be master of the ashes, and the other half are so close to death, they'd rather go out like Hector Salamanca from sheer spite and hatred.

I mean, I'm still going to vote for Trump, but he's a Gracchi at this point. Don't know who Sulla and Caesar are, but they're coming.

I consider it a given that if Trump wins, we have the most savage economic crash ever seen in our hands. You better have something to your name when it happens, since I wouldn't count much on cash when November hits.

What exactly happens if folks at the CIA or FBI or whatever just say "no we will not leave, we will maintain our positions, and you will just sit there and deal with it?"

It's not like the military didn't blatantly refuse Trump's orders several times during his first term.

Hence why Trump needs contingencies that operate outside of the system. Following the rules when you are the only retard that is supposed to follow them and they are as consistent as Calvinball is a fools errand.

 

[Betonhaus]

What exactly happens if folks at the CIA or FBI or whatever just say "no we will not leave, we will maintain our positions, and you will just sit there and deal with it?"

He can revoke the charter of the CIA and FBI and make them illegal agencies if they don't play ball

 

[draggs]

damn, that's a great summary, thanks. do you have one you could make like this for the other 3 lolsuits?

I could, but I'm lazy

Short summary of all 3

Florida documents case: Trump was set up by the National Archives and the Biden administration in a nothingburger dispute over whether documents Trump took when he left office should be stored where he wants, or at the National Archives. Feds have now fucked with the evidence, the documents themselves, case is in big trouble

New York business documents case: Trump fucked Stormy Daniels in 2006. 10 years later she tried to extort money from him. Michael Cohen paid her $130,000 to shut the fuck up. Trump paid Cohen back in 2017. None of this is illegal in any way. New York DA says that a banana is a ham sandwich and indicts it. Insane legal theory that Trump is guilty of a state felony because he committed another felony, a federal election law felony. Trump never convicted or even indicted on the alleged federal election felony. Trial judge is a fucking retard making reversible mistakes left and right that will get the whole thing obliterated on appeal

Washington DC insurrection case: well not really insurrection, since no one was charged with it. Trump accused of defrauding and obstructing the federal government by refusing to simply give up in 2020, filing lolsuits, advancing alternate slates of electors, blah blah blah. All things that have been done before but this time prosecution says Trump knew that he had lost but kept fwighting like a bad little boy so it's fraud and obstruction. Obviously Trump genuinely believes the 2020 election was stolen. Case now floundering on the rocks because Trump claims immunity, Supreme Court seems likely to at least partially agree

He can revoke the charter of the CIA and FBI and make them illegal agencies if they don't play ball

He can fire the top level people, and transfer the middle managers and grunts to Alaska

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

We need an Auron MacIntyre appreciation thread.

 

[mandatorylurk]

CNN is having a sit down interview with Joepedo to air tonight (already taped), but he sounds horrible, lies to himself, and he thinks just saying these things he remembered means you can't talk to him. This faggot seriously thinks saving you 30 bucks on an overdraft or ATM fee means you can handle 30% price increases. Let's see how much CNN cuts out:

 

[Snekposter]

those are bad for the enivorment johnny, we cant be hurting baltimore

I'm more concerned about the Chesapeake Bay. Its finally started to recover from all the shit that got dumped into it during the 1800's.

@John.Doe I am not a lawyer. Could you please read https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1787840308320891106 this thread and give me your take on it. You seem to be one of the few more knowledge people here on the process of law. Any lawyers or lawyer-adjacent kiwis in here, could you please also take a look. I have a hard time believing this is correct due to its implications but I have independently verified what is being said. In short, what is said -is- true but I want legal conclusions from those more knowledgeable.

https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1787961178263875930/photo/1 add this on for a bit more detail.

No, its pretty solid. Improper handling of evidence is one of the few things that will outright taint your case. The FBI fucking around with the documents and not putting them back in the boxes exactly as they were before is bad enough, but what's worse is they've pretended for months that everything inside the boxes is exactly as it was when they were taken from Mar-al-Lago. Discovery is the one, single phase of a trial you do not fuck with, and the Feds have been caught red-handed fucking with it, and worse, lying about fucking with it. Lying to judges is guaranteed to piss them the hell off, and hoo boy has Jack Smith done that here on top of the legal issues inherent to the evidentiary mishandling. You'll notice that a lot of the Jan. 6 stuff has been getting a much more skeptical eye by courts ever since the videos came out where it was obvious the Feds had been lying to everyone about how bad it was, and that's not just because of the PR.

On top of that the stuff with lawyers is also beyond terrible since Smith is arguing that its no big deal that they'll be out of state four days of the week with a different trial, and representation in court is the other major red flag, with cases like Gideon mandating effective counsel for defendants in criminal trials, with Trump's team arguing that with this and the NY stuff they'll be too split attention-wise to provide effective counsel to his Florida criminal trial.

 

[John.Doe]

@John.Doe I am not a lawyer. Could you please read https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1787840308320891106 this thread and give me your take on it. You seem to be one of the few more knowledge people here on the process of law.

The Florida documents case is beyond fucked. I mean, it was facing a really rocky road in the first place anyway, but this latest issue is the stone that crushes the camel's spine. I'll explain.

In the investigation, discovery, case presentation - at every stage really - taking care of the evidence is paramount. You need two-factor chain of custody, preservation, documentation, all kinds of steps to make sure that the evidence is kept sacrosanct to the degree humanly possible. (If you don't have chain of custody on that blood sample, how do you know it was from the scene, etc.) In this case, the government has admitted two things:

1) They purposefully moved the evidence around in order to garner publicity shots or for other purposes, then failed to return the evidence as it was prior. (Imagine the State troopers moving a post car-collision corpse for more dramatic crime scene photos). Even this is pretty bad, almost bad enough by itself to torpedo a case.
2) They misrepresented to the Court about doing this. As in, they tried to claim that they hadn't moved anything, and everything was exactly as they found it, which is a lie. Here's some trivia for you - judges hate it when you lie to their faces about presenting manipulated evidence to them.

Now, in a DC courtroom where the judge is a political terrorist who doesn't give a shit about the law, this isn't a problem. Unfortunately for the DOJ, they are dealing with Judge Cannon, an actually neutral party seeking to give the parties due process. So her response to this, on top of the other shenanigans Jack Smith has pulled, is to shut the party down.

She hasn't dismissed this case yet, but I think she will after she builds a bullet-proof case that the 11th Circuit can't overturn with a semblance of good faith. Telling Smith that he isn't getting a court date until they settle the half-dozen or more dispositive (case-ending) issues is, I think, her signalling that somewhere in there is the death warrant for this case. She just wants to document very thoroughly, develop the brief, and assemble something definitive.

That is the best read I can get from her paper orders and the briefs, you'd need to sit me in the courtroom to see her face and voice for more, but every indication I've gotten so far is that she is running out of patience with Smith.

Edit: Great ninja, @Snekposter ! Thanks for bringing up the representation angle, too, that is another of the many incredulous things Smith has tried in Cannon's courtroom.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

The democrats saved their majority leader. Expect purges from committees and even more democrat bills to get passed.
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https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/1788324465253716071

I'll give Johnson credit, it sounds like he at least negotiated with the Democrats to protect him before he gave them what they wanted.

But if MTG wants to be a disruptor, it's going to take more than a few votes. She should try crashing her colleagues' town hall events and endorsing their primary opponents. Do whatever it takes to turn the voters against them.

 

[Gehenna]

No, its pretty solid. Improper handling of evidence is one of the few things that will outright taint your case. The FBI fucking around with the documents and not putting them back in the boxes exactly as they were before is bad enough, but what's worse is they've pretended for months that everything inside the boxes is exactly as it was when they were taken from Mar-al-Lago. Discovery is the one, single phase of a trial you do not fuck with, and the Feds have been caught red-handed fucking with it, and worse, lying about fucking with it. Lying to judges is guaranteed to piss them the hell off, and hoo boy has Jack Smith done that here on top of the legal issues inherent to the evidentiary mishandling. You'll notice that a lot of the Jan. 6 stuff has been getting a much more skeptical eye by courts ever since the videos came out where it was obvious the Feds had been lying to everyone about how bad it was, and that's not just because of the PR.

On top of that the stuff with lawyers is also beyond terrible since Smith is arguing that its no big deal that they'll be out of state four days of the week with a different trial, and representation in court is the other major red flag, with cases like Gideon mandating effective counsel for defendants in criminal trials, with Trump's team arguing that with this and the NY stuff they'll be too split attention-wise to provide effective counsel to his Florida criminal trial.

The Florida documents case is beyond fucked. I mean, it was facing a really rocky road in the first place anyway, but this latest issue is the stone that crushes the camel's spine. I'll explain.

In the investigation, discovery, case presentation - at every stage really - taking care of the evidence is paramount. You need two-factor chain of custody, preservation, documentation, all kinds of steps to make sure that the evidence is kept sacrosanct to the degree humanly possible. (If you don't have chain of custody on that blood sample, how do you know it was from the scene, etc.) In this case, the government has admitted two things:

1) They purposefully moved the evidence around in order to garner publicity shots or for other purposes, then failed to return the evidence as it was prior. (Imagine the State troopers moving a post car-collision corpse for more dramatic crime scene photos). Even this is pretty bad, almost bad enough by itself to torpedo a case.
2) They misrepresented to the Court about doing this. As in, they tried to claim that they hadn't moved anything, and everything was exactly as they found it, which is a lie. Here's some trivia for you - judges hate it when you lie to their faces about presenting manipulated evidence to them.

Now, in a DC courtroom where the judge is a political terrorist who doesn't give a shit about the law, this isn't a problem. Unfortunately for the DOJ, they are dealing with Judge Cannon, an actually neutral party seeking to give the parties due process. So her response to this, on top of the other shenanigans Jack Smith has pulled, is to shut the party down.

She hasn't dismissed this case yet, but I think she will after she builds a bullet-proof case that the 11th Circuit can't overturn with a semblance of good faith. Telling Smith that he isn't getting a court date until they settle the half-dozen or more dispositive (case-ending) issues is, I think, her signalling that somewhere in there is the death warrant for this case. She just wants to document very thoroughly, develop the brief, and assemble something definitive.

That is the best read I can get from her paper orders and the briefs, you'd need to sit me in the courtroom to see her face and voice for more, but every indication I've gotten so far is that she is running out of patience with Smith.

Edit: Great ninja, @Snekposter ! Thanks for bringing up the representation angle, too, that is another of the many incredulous things Smith has tried in Cannon's courtroom.

Thank you both for confirming my own conclusions. I felt hesitant to believe my own here because this seems like far too massive a fuckup. This does support my earlier speculating that this was Garland going rogue though. The higher ups of the three letter agencies are nowhere near amateur enough to not have had proper oversight on something this big and unprecedented. The only way something this big of a fuckup could occur is if oversight was being handled by people without any real experience in covert legal fuckery.

It does amuse me that the uniparty attempt to make good of a bad situation though is now so thoroughly fucked. Also that their attempt to swamp Trump with legal proceedings is now in direct conflict with itself as the inability to represent himself is one of two big reasons, and the easiest cited reason by Cannon, to put this on indefinite hold.