Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[TruffleSpark]

Speaking of that sub, I love how a TIM feels invalid upon learning that the sub is full of other TIMs and all the real lesbians left.If there really was no difference between "trans" women and "cis" women, why would it matter then? View attachment 5965959

 

[deermeat]

So with the tides turning against troons, when do you think being a tomboy will be the next cool thing in womens fashion? A new spin on the y2k era, I'm assuming. Maybe the men's side of fashion from that era will come back but for women. Olderbrothercore-adjacent, a more masculine grunge look.

Instead of "well I like dressing masculine. I must be a boy", the new cool thing would be women trying to dress masculine as possible as a statement. Then of course, with all aesthetics like that, there's always the opposite end of the spectrum that's in style. Maybe a brighter unique version of that style will emerge, something we never seen before.

Honestly I'm just waiting and waiting and waiting for the troon shit to die off like a rotted plant so GNC culture can come back untainted. Soon being a pooner/troon will be seen as socially unacceptable and outdated, the same way being a religious conservative was/is.

 

[AI generated waifu]

Instead of "well I like dressing masculine. I must be a boy", the new cool thing would be women trying to dress masculine as possible as a statement.

Nothing makes those dysphoric trans people seethe more than someone confident in their actual sex passing better than them

 

[Deepland Bystander]

So with the tides turning against troons, when do you think being a tomboy will be the next cool thing in womens fashion? A new spin on the y2k era, I'm assuming. Maybe the men's side of fashion from that era will come back but for women. Olderbrothercore-adjacent, a more masculine grunge look.

Instead of "well I like dressing masculine. I must be a boy", the new cool thing would be women trying to dress masculine as possible as a statement. Then of course, with all aesthetics like that, there's always the opposite end of the spectrum that's in style. Maybe a brighter unique version of that style will emerge, something we never seen before.

Honestly I'm just waiting and waiting and waiting for the troon shit to die off like a rotted plant so GNC culture can come back untainted. Soon being a pooner/troon will be seen as socially unacceptable and outdated, the same way being a religious conservative was/is.

Nothing makes those dysphoric trans people seethe more than someone confident in their actual sex passing better than them

I love this kind of discussion, but I do think blatant GNC expression without being a troon is the best cure for troonism, see this logic, if someone can dress like the opposite 'gender' without trying to get identity brownie point, what's even the point of gender identity at all? (Although admittedly I dislike current Y2K trend even though I like the aesthetic, because it's such a 'self aware' nostalgia that is more about aping the past than building something from it)

I've discussed with @Mellow Malevolent recently, but it's something I've dropped time to time, that the only way troonism can die is that a completely new paradigm must replace it. transgender ideology is inherently rooted in mid-century gender norms and back then it's about pretending that GNC people didn't actually exist because they 'changed sex', but this framework is breaking down because we can no longer pretend that they're actually opposite sex when there are too many of them, and a number of them are perverted menaces.

Allowing people to be openly GNC (without promoting it to the point of it being annoying to regular people, like how pride parade has become today) without having to lie about their sex is, imo, better way to undermine trans ideology than trying to turn back the clock.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Soon being a pooner/troon will be seen as socially unacceptable and outdated, the same way being a religious conservative was/is.

I hope I'm wrong but I genuinely think that since no one sees them as men or genderless to begin with, this is "tomboy" to a lot of people. The pronouns are just a fashion statement, it's women doing this. When will more traditional tomboyness come back? No idea, it usually comes more organically out of people. The main thing I think is that there will be a backlash to the Enby fashion statement and I could see an increased girliness as a response to it with young people being a possibility.

Girls will be interested in whatever they want regardless of society will say. There will be some who are always followers and insist on following the next trend, whether it's the main thing or a popular counterculture. We'll find out how parents and children react soon, I suppose.

Edit: if it helps, I am out of touch and not good at predicting fashion trends.

 

[ephermeral]

I hope I'm wrong but I genuinely think that since no one sees them as men or genderless to begin with, this is "tomboy" to a lot of people.

It doesn’t help that that troons will lay claim to strong, female characters as “actually trans” if they’re not stereotypically feminine presenting . They tried it with Alien.

 

[Stupid Lisa Garbageface]

It doesn’t help that that troons will lay claim to strong, female characters as “actually trans” if they’re not stereotypically feminine presenting . They tried it with Alien.

They try it with female warriors of history, too. Joan of Arc has been a longtime target.

 

[ephermeral]

They try it with female warriors of history, too. Joan of Arc has been a longtime target.

I want to incorporate some gender critical elements into a pride display. I can’t outright go negative but I can go positive. I’m still in the idea guy phase but which figures do you think of when you think of “tomboys”?

 

[AMHOLIO]

I want to incorporate some gender critical elements into a pride display. I can’t outright go negative but I can go positive. I’m still in the idea guy phase but which figures do you think of when you think of “tomboys”?

Gardeners, mechanics, shop class enthusiasts, sports fans & players, hikers and climbers, with their hair tied back (maybe a little flying out) with some smidgeons of dirt and/or brusies but clearly enagaged with their work or displaying something they made proudly. The working Joe, but woman.

 

[deermeat]

Nothing makes those dysphoric trans people seethe more than someone confident in their actual sex passing better than them

Ive been thinking about this lately. I dont wanna go full butch, but as Im starting to build more muscle (thats my main priority rn) and embrace my masculinity as it is instead of fixating on what I "should be".... Ive been wanting to go that route, trying to "pass" as a man my age but in a more androgynous way.

I geniuely like the aesthetic I mentioned above so Im pretty biased with my predictions. I just want a tomboy uprising, man. Regarding women who like what I like, all of them are pooners. All it does is make me wanna rebel. Im sure there are plenty of women out there feeling similarly, its just theyre not open about it.

 

[AI generated waifu]

Ive been thinking about this lately. I dont wanna go full butch, but as Im starting to build more muscle (thats my main priority rn) and embrace my masculinity as it is instead of fixating on what I "should be".... Ive been wanting to go that route, trying to "pass" as a man my age but in a more androgynous way.

I geniuely like the aesthetic I mentioned above so Im pretty biased with my predictions. I just want a tomboy uprising, man. Regarding women who like what I like, all of them are pooners. All it does is make me wanna rebel. Im sure there are plenty of women out there feeling similarly, its just theyre not open about it.

I'd say go for it and enjoy yourself. Playing around with gender roles / presentation used to be about expressing yourself and having fun. Transgender activists made it about control. They attempt to influence the perception, both of themselves and others, to preserve a lie. It's hardly about real self expression.

Once you do away with it and stop caring about what 'gender' you're signalling to others, you ironically become much freer. Besides, a naturally masculine woman is always going to look much healthier than someone who drugs herself to resemble the opposite sex.

 

[SevenEleven]

It doesn’t help that that troons will lay claim to strong, female characters as “actually trans” if they’re not stereotypically feminine presenting . They tried it with Alien.

If it makes you feel any better, they do this with more feminine male characters as well (whether or not they're actually GNC or just a bit softer or quieter). Troons are just generally a bit too obsessed with fiction and love making things about themselves. I've seen some outlandish ''X character is ackschually an egg'' narratives going around, everything from Cloud Strife to the narrator in Fight Club.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Troons are just generally a bit too obsessed with fiction

I can't imagine why...

 

[Chiang Kai-shek]

If it makes you feel any better, they do this with more feminine male characters as well (whether or not they're actually GNC or just a bit softer or quieter). Troons are just generally a bit too obsessed with fiction and love making things about themselves. I've seen some outlandish ''X character is ackschually an egg'' narratives going around, everything from Cloud Strife to the narrator in Fight Club.

Reminds me of the first time I encountered a troon online. He was a mod (high association with faggotry) that said a male character was a tranny because they liked doing something considered feminine in the universe. Even as a teen I realized that seemed a little sexist. You’re actually trans if you don’t like doing an activity associated with your gender? Ain’t that just reinforcing gender norms? Inspired me to create this:

 

[deermeat]

I'd say go for it and enjoy yourself. Playing around with gender roles / presentation used to be about expressing yourself and having fun. Transgender activists made it about control. They attempt to influence the perception, both of themselves and others, to preserve a lie. It's hardly about real self expression.

Once you do away with it and stop caring about what 'gender' you're signalling to others, you ironically become much freer. Besides, a naturally masculine woman is always going to look much healthier than someone who drugs herself to resemble the opposite sex.

Focusing on labels, in which gender (not sex) is inherently a label, is miserable and soul draining. It sucks the life out of you. Takes away your personality, your motivation, etc. But it's good for keeping people under control. It's why these people hate detrans so much.
A lot of TRA logic boils down to being "trans", not the gender what they wanna be. It's about being trans. You do thinks because you are trans. They pretend all they wanna be seen as is the opposite sex, but really most of them benefit from the trans label itself. It's their own community. Their own label. And by virtue of associating themselves with that label, they associate themselves with the "rules" that comes with it. It's why they all talk the same, they all fall into the same caricatures.

But to rid yourself of not just that label, but all labels, it makes you unable to be controlled. You become an individual. Yes, you can fall for trends and such, but you'll never fall for groupthink if you refuse to align with the labels they create for you. It is anti self defeating and based on self reliance. It is something that requires confidence in ones own perspective. That is why it is so liberating.

 

[xh9lqwz9c]

Gardeners, mechanics, shop class enthusiasts, sports fans & players, hikers and climbers, with their hair tied back (maybe a little flying out) with some smidgeons of dirt and/or brusies but clearly enagaged with their work or displaying something they made proudly. The working Joe, but woman.

Please don't make women just living their lives without lipstick the next fucked up stripe on a pride flag.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Please don't make women just living their lives without lipstick the next fucked up stripe on a pride flag.

Hey, I'm just responding to "What do you think of when you hear tomboy?"

I’m still in the idea guy phase but which figures do you think of when you think of “tomboys”?

I think ephermeral is trying to get away from classic enby and into actual woman with the display. All the things I described are woman things: they are done by a woman. That isn't a stripe on a flag, its trying to take back pride in having "unconventional" interests and activities for women as women, and to destigmatize them from being only for this or that. Displaying "tomboys", i.e. women doing normal hobbies and jobs, is just displaying women who are people. There will always be some obnoxious person who wears "tomboy" or "metrosexual man" like it's a pride flag, but most are just going to be people who are called that by others.

Ideally men can feel the same and not feel like they have to troon after enjoying a musical or sewing some clothes. The funny thing about troons is that I see more with solidly male interests and few with actual interest in female hobbies like nail polish, journaling, needlepoint, and so on. They're more likely to still only post about autistic nerd hobbies. Same with some pooners.

 

[AI generated waifu]

If it makes you feel any better, they do this with more feminine male characters as well (whether or not they're actually GNC or just a bit softer or quieter). Troons are just generally a bit too obsessed with fiction and love making things about themselves. I've seen some outlandish ''X character is ackschually an egg'' narratives going around, everything from Cloud Strife to the narrator in Fight Club.

I always thought they did male characters worse, especially with Japanese media characters. Characters like Bridget from guilty gear (who eventually did get transed), chihiro from danganronpa and Marulk from made in abyss. There's more probably. Gender noncomformity is always going to be much more noticeable when it's a boy being girly.

Though there's also a lot of female cross dressers being assumed to be trans as well, like Dororo from Dororo, Ed from Cowboy Bebop and Naoto from persona... Even Shiek from Zelda. Maybe it's more evenly split than I thought...

 

[Hooked on phobics]

This may be a little autistic, but I made this as an interesting symbol of the trans flag.
Why? the symbology of it. Its the "impossible" cube, which is an illusion, and cannot really exist.
Seems to really reflect the reality about trans, and I don't think trannies have the brain cells to detect the symbolism there.
I'm putting it here since I'm not sure where else to put it, and I wanted to at least put it out somewhere.
I'm by no means an artist, but I think the symbology of it matters more than artistic merit.

I think I was also going to include some rant about comparing transsexualism with asking a retarded apprentice to make this cube, and endlessly selling him snake oil to help chase the impossible goal of making the cube, til they waste their life perusing the impossible, but it was a little long-winded and autistic for me to want to post.
Still, didn't sit right with me not to post this anywhere.

 

[SevenEleven]

I always thought they did male characters worse, especially with Japanese media characters. Characters like Bridget from guilty gear (who eventually did get transed), chihiro from danganronpa and Marulk from made in abyss. There's more probably. Gender noncomformity is always going to be much more noticeable when it's a boy being girly.

Though there's also a lot of female cross dressers being assumed to be trans as well, like Dororo from Dororo, Ed from Cowboy Bebop and Naoto from persona... Even Shiek from Zelda. Maybe it's more evenly split than I thought...

Something something, troons and Japanese media...

The ironic thing is that both Naoto and Bridget (up until recently) had character arcs that were very much and very explicitely about being more comfortable with their birth gender. Forgive the autistic ramble but I think you brought up something pretty interesting.

There's some cases of very effeminate gay men trooning out simply because the only framework they grew up with was a deeply religious one where men did male stuff and women did female stuff, so they see themselves being more feminine and come to the conclusion they must be a women. I wonder if the claiming of GNC characters as trans comes from a similar place. Generally, society is really harsh on men being effeminate, which might be why the male crossdressers get more attention, and why some of that attention can only understand them as being women. It's a very backwards way to look at things that just goes to show that a large part of trans ideology is piggybacking off of progressive movements it actively wants to tear down.

Maybe pooners also just aren't as loud about the characters that are ''just like me frfr''? I feel like pooners being weird online is a very different kind of weird than what the average anime-obsessed MtF gets up to. Then again, there was that recent twitter war about the One Piece character supposedly being FtM despite looking like the most feminine woman you will ever see. So what do I know.