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What instrument are you most proficient in

  • Guitar

    Votes: 19 54.3%
  • Bass

    Votes: 8 22.9%
  • Piano/keyboard

    Votes: 12 34.3%
  • Woodwinds or Brass

    Votes: 4 11.4%
  • Other stringed instruments

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • Drums/ Percussion

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35
Yes, heroin did probably slow down time enough that Coltrane felt like he was playing whole notes.

Ask away lmao

I can also answer bong and bong accessory related questions!

so if kurt cocaine was using heroin, whitney houston overdosed on cocaine, and jimi hendrix overdosed on sleeping pills, could you mix all 3 drugs together to create the ultimate downfall of your career after your peak-success?

a more serious question: how does actually someone manage to get themselves into events? is it just that easy to ask known places like "heyo i am a literal fucking who, hit me up and give money if you want to see me play some songs"?
 
a more serious question: how does actually someone manage to get themselves into events? is it just that easy to ask known places like "heyo i am a literal fucking who, hit me up and give money if you want to see me play some songs"?

You or your band manager (the aspie fuck who could never play but had to be part of the industry) will generally give someone at a venue like the media/event manager a demo or sample, if they decide you won't troon out the place they will make an offer for you to play x night for y dollars which likely won't even cover your expenses, you may get a free beer! thanks to (((inflation))))

If you have friends from another band they can like put in a good word to get you in as an opening act. But generally you basically cold canvas venues and try and build up a following/reputation for more muso neet bux and have 14 people follow you on socials and the one morbidly obese chick who tries to form a parasocial relationship/gangbang as your music inspired her to reduce her caloric intake.
 
When it comes to DAWs and music production, we live in the future.
Personally, I use FL Studio, I've used it for a long time and it's very intuitive for me at this point, but honestly you can make anything on most of them.

A good start if you want to produce is to learn how to play the keyboard.
It's an instrument that can have an endless amount of sounds, including drums, so if you can play that, you can make complete instrumentals.
Being a complete autist, I was very lucky as a kid that my 11 year old brain brain pushed me towards learning this instrument instead of learning the complete lore of Sonic the Hedgehog.

I also recommend learning the drums.
Get yourself an electric drum kit, they're cheap and pretty quiet.
You don't need them, like I've said, the keyboard can give you drum sounds, but it's good to know how to play the drums, believe you me.
Gives you an edge over a lot of producers.
 
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8 years classical piano, 25 plus years of vocal training (mainly classical). Open to questions as well.

I find it quite sad that people are no longer taught how to read music, but are simply taught chords.
 
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8 years classical piano, 25 plus years of vocal training (mainly classical). Open to questions as well.

I find it quite sad that people are no longer taught how to read music, but are simply taught chords.

20+ years guitar/bass and winds with emphasis on sax. Sight reading was always my forte (haha!), and I always loved delving into the craziness that is analyzing music. Chordal structure is huge in jazz and learning your color tones and leading tones are incredibly valuable for an improviser. But, a big part of that is actually learning to read music. That's one of the benefits of singing/wind instruments, you can't just play a chord and call it good, you have to be able to suss things out one note at a time.

But, there is less and less emphasis on learning music at all. Nigs just ook over tribal drum beats that are nothing more than loops and it makes them millions, so why even learn if you're a kid? Just hire some dude who actually put in the work and let him do 99% of the beat creation, harmonic structure, etc, wail into a mic for an afternoon and autotune will clean it all up.
 
I think that's an A#6sus2.
It could be Bb6/4add9 but it can also be realized as a C7, Cm7, Gm6sus, Gdim, Gm/C,
C5 add #13
C7 Omit 3
G/C with a double flatted fifth
A#/C 6th with suspended 2nd
I feel like this is the trouble with chords. A lot of these are four-note chords which, while I guess have a similar character to C-G-Bb, aren't quite the same, and the addition of the fourth note takes a way a degree of freedom in how much more notes you can incorporate vertically without sounding too dissonant.
 
Speaking of which, I'd like to not be bad at reading/writing sheet music. If anyone can explain how they learned to deal with sheet music proficiently please share.
As someone who's gotten to sit in with jazz bands on occasion and had to play dance gigs where the whole book is sightread, plus adjudicated school band competitions, there are 3 main things I focus on to sightread:
Scales/arpeggios - you need to be confident that when you see a note, you don't have to think about how to play it
Rhythms - most of my k-12 music instruction was done by percussionists, so accurate rhythm was a major point of emphasis. Knowing how notes fit together within a bar is important because the music doesn't stop to wait for you. Which brings me to my last bit:

Don't stop. Did you miss a note? Don't stop. Played the wrong rhythm? Don't stop. The biggest part of sightreading is keeping your eyes moving. When you stop, you build that habit of stopping, which only causes more stops. While playing correct notes/Rhythms is part of the goal, the other part is playing a piece top to bottom. Learn to be okay with mistakes, and eventually you'll get to a point where there aren't any.

A good way to practice is to get some beginning method books and read through them. I like the Rubank methods, Elementary/Advanced/Selected Studies. Just play a couple every day, and when you finish a book, play through it again a second time. You'll be amazed at your progression in just a few months.

lot of these are four-note chords
But they're not, that's just the thing. We took those 3 notes as a root and 2 color tones. C7 doesn't need a G in it to establish its tonality, C-E-Bb works just fine, and under certain circumstances you can even get away with just C-Bb. At no point in any of my chords I listed was I considering anything other than the notes you listed. Now, there are such things as tone clusters, but that's like C-Db-E-Ab-Bb-B-D-Eb, a literal cluster.
 
But they're not, that's just the thing. We took those 3 notes as a root and 2 color tones. C7 doesn't need a G in it to establish its tonality, C-E-Bb works just fine, and under certain circumstances you can even get away with just C-Bb. At no point in any of my chords I listed was I considering anything other than the notes you listed. Now, there are such things as tone clusters, but that's like C-Db-E-Ab-Bb-B-D-Eb, a literal cluster.
I see. I don't have formal musical training so apologies if I get some basic things wrong. Though personally I'm not too sold on the idea of substituting notes and using color tones unless it's explicitly asked for.
 
I see. I don't have formal musical training so apologies if I get some basic things wrong. Though personally I'm not too sold on the idea of substituting notes and using color tones unless it's explicitly asked for.
Its all good, thats the whole odea of the thread.
So, you're not substituting notes, per say. I'm sure you know, the root is the first note of a scale, it establishes the base of the chord tonality, though it doesn't need to be the bottom note. For example, a C major chord would be C-E-G, but a C6 (or first inversion) is E-C-G, and C6/4 (2nd inversion) is G-C-E, all are C major chords, and are interpreted as such.

Now most people think of chords I'm their base structure, 1-3-5. But, the fifth tone of the scale doesn't actually imply any major or minor tonality, it's why power chords on guitar are so versatile. Play a C and G only and you'll notice you can't tell if it's major or minor, you need that 3rd, or color tone, E. You may not be able to tell a chord completely from just C and G, but you can absolutely immediately tell the difference between C-E and C-Eb. In fact, id bet if I said nothing and played you C-E-C, you'd likely (rightly) assume I was playing a C major chord.

Additional tones add additional context. The 7th is the next most common color tone. C-E-Bb will immediately give C7 tonality, but just C-G-Bb doesn't quite distinguish between C7 and Cm7. This is also true of the 9, 11, and 13 (even numbers aren't often used in chord nomenclature to describe tones). Interestingly, you can omit the root and use 3-5-b7 (E-G-Bb in the key of C) and still call it a C7 chord.

So, for C-G-Bb we can assume the notes are either 1-5-b7, 4-1-b3, or 9-6-1, assuming the root is included. There are even more options if you decide everything involved is some sort of color tone.

As you can see, there's an absurd amount of theory you can apply to a set of 3 notes, and why the context around those notes is important. A piece in the key of C that uses a Bb as a color tone is incredibly unlikely to have, say, an F# chord in it, but could realistically have an Ab or even pivot through a Gb. I have probably 4 or 5 books just about how to navigate such things that I really need to crack into again.
 
If there's a specific genre you want to learn, I'd say outside of fusion jazz or Bulgarian choral choir and nigger rap shit I can probably help you.
9 years of cello, fooled around with guitar and violin. I know only very basic music theory. I've always been super fascinated by the dichotomy between classical and the rest of the music world. I'd be interested in what anyone has to say about it.
Speaking of which, I'd like to not be bad at reading/writing sheet music. If anyone can explain how they learned to deal with sheet music proficiently please share.
Other people have given really good advice. Learning to sight read sheet music is almost a little bit like learning a language. The only way you can learn to sight read is by trying to sight read. Familiarize yourself with the staff and then get easy music and start plowing through it. The frustrating thing about it is that after you've read through something a couple times it becomes useless as a sight reading exercise. Easy etude books are probably a good place to start.
 
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Cakewalk Studio 2 was what I mostly used on w98/XP, it was great as one of the first proper DAW's.

I'm not familiar with newer versions of cakewalk, would you bet 10 bucks its overbloated GUI shit with settings for your pronouns.
I tried it, my keyboard doubles as a midi controller, but i have to manually set it up and I don't know how. You're right the GUI is very bloated. I'm not a sound engineer, I'm just a musician and I couldn't make heads or tails of it.
ETA; my sleeping medication was kicking in as I was typing that.
You or your band manager (the aspie fuck who could never play but had to be part of the industry) will generally give someone at a venue like the media/event manager a demo or sample, if they decide you won't troon out the place they will make an offer for you to play x night for y dollars which likely won't even cover your expenses, you may get a free beer! thanks to (((inflation))))

If you have friends from another band they can like put in a good word to get you in as an opening act. But generally you basically cold canvas venues and try and build up a following/reputation for more muso neet bux and have 14 people follow you on socials and the one morbidly obese chick who tries to form a parasocial relationship/gangbang as your music inspired her to reduce her caloric intake.
I'm glad you can answer the more industry and production side, because I couldn't, thanks a lot
 
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8 years classical piano, 25 plus years of vocal training (mainly classical). Open to questions as well.

I find it quite sad that people are no longer taught how to read music, but are simply taught chords.
Good to have you aboard, I'd really like to learn more of piano/keyboard myself. I know how to create chords and inversions but when it comes to playing a peice of sheet music my hands just don't know how to work independently from each other. I've been playing bass and guitar for years but I imagine it's a different type of hand independence than those.
 
Good to have you aboard, I'd really like to learn more of piano/keyboard myself. I know how to create chords and inversions but when it comes to playing a peice of sheet music my hands just don't know how to work independently from each other. I've been playing bass and guitar for years but I imagine it's a different type of hand independence than those.
Schirmer is what my piano teacher had me do everything on. They have all levels of piano.

I learnt harder stuff using this book:
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They also have a book specifically to strengthen your left hand playing.
 
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Schirmer is what my piano teacher had me do everything on. They have all levels of piano.

I learnt harder stuff using this book:
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They also have a book specifically to strengthen your left hand playing.
Thanks I'll look into it, I'll probably see if there's a pdf version of the book. I'm also not particularly strong in reading the staff, I can but I have to think about it instead of it flowing naturally. I have an uncle who's a great pianist, he could probably get me to the level of not having to think about the notes.
For guitar, bass, and mandolin I was self taught through books. People learning instruments today are lucky as they have videos on YouTube and all that. I didn't have that when I was starting out. I took bass lessons for a couple months to learn slap, but then that music store closed.
 
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Schirmer is what my piano teacher had me do everything on. They have all levels of piano.

I learnt harder stuff using this book:
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They also have a book specifically to strengthen your left hand playing.
+1 to Hanon etudes, and the Schirmer library has an amazing range of options for almost every instrument.
 
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18 years guitar + bass, ??? years drums + keys + blues harp

Ableton/Cubase and FL Studio are better for midi or synth, nigger music type of production, you can use FL studio for line in and it has a pretty cool audio editor edison for clipping stuff. But it's gay compared to reaper for line in.
I like Ableton, the effects rack GUI is really intuitive if you're used to physical gear like guitar pedals, and people make cool stuff with Max.
I find it quite sad that people are no longer taught how to read music, but are simply taught chords.
Musical notation is dogshit for anything but sight reading, frankly. It sucks that it's effectively required knowledge to learn theory just because it's the standard for communicating musical ideas; it's like if philosophy was only taught in French, and you had to learn French in order to study philosophy.

I'd really really like to try to develop a curriculum someday that focuses on intervals right out of the gate instead of frontloading a bunch of confusing memorization that hasn't been meaningful since the move to 12TET. Someday.
 
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Musical notation is dogshit for anything but sight reading, frankly. It sucks that it's effectively required knowledge to learn theory
I think musical theory can be taught without reading musicical notation. I can't sight read notation without really having to think about it. But I understand music therory and intervals. Leaning to read music is just another tool to make you a more well rounded musician, just like improv, chord sheet reading, tablature reading. Some people are blessed with perfect pitch, unfortunately I only have relative pitch. But studies have shown that as people get older they lose perfect pitch. When I teach my students, I like to use scale degrees and teach them the Nashville numbering system
 
Musical theory should definitely be an all encompassing thing not just focused on notation.

If you ever need to work on pitch the exercise they use to choose people for regionals can be helpful. They play a chord and ask you to sing 1 note out of the 3 by stating 1st, 3rd or 5th.
 
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Schirmer is what my piano teacher had me do everything on. They have all levels of piano.

I learnt harder stuff using this book:
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They also have a book specifically to strengthen your left hand playing.
I looked at the beginner book and found a pdf for it, I thought it would go over where the notes are on the staff. I think I'll just get my church pianist to teach me. I come from a church that uses old hyms, but she takes the notation as a suggestion and adds more to it. She kinda puts some swing into her playing as well as little fills. She's really good. She's probably been playing for 60 years.
 
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