The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[ZMOT]

Agreed. I remember the first web browser I ever used was Netscape in college and at local libraries. When I first saw Internet Explorer I was like what is this shit? And I still wonder that, long after I found out IE basically was a meme among non-normies. Or as ED said "a program you use once to download another browser and then never use again."

meanwhile some companies still require silverlight, even after a decade suffering from ie6' legacy. enjoy!

 

[AmpleApricots]

Linux has a lot of flaws and ugliness. I think for OSes of computers in the complexity we have (computers that basically run on secrets and are black boxes) there's no such thing as an elegant solution. You'd pretty much have to start over, which is not gonna happen for many reasons. I semidocumented some bizarre kernel/X intel gpu drivers interaction in this thread that led to me not being able to make custom resolutions with refresh rates that are actually supported by my screen, just inserting an edited EDID to include the refresh rate I wanted (50Hz for PAL content, so nothing wild by any means, 48 and 60 Hz also worked fine) could solve it. Then I had to edit a source file in the kernel to not spam me to death with a message about that EDID. Nothing about this is elegant. The other week the AMDGPU drivers broke in regards of hibernation yet again. (It feels like this happens about every other minor kernel release, you might notice this less with your distro, but you run into such things sometimes when you download and compile the latest and greatest directly from kernel.org) Linux certianly has it's warts and ugliness. What still would always make me stick with Linux is that the problems here actually are understandable and you get a fighting chance because things don't get hidden behind proprietary binaries and a cryptic blue screen error code that is absolutely useless for anything except finding useless threads on a microsoft tech support forum via google. It is true that you often don't get direct help from other Linux users (I personally never even bothered asking) but you really think Pajeet wants to (can even) help you when your computer ocassionally bluescreens? You think Apple gives a fuck when your Macbook gets stuck? And the bizarre workarounds the people in these forums sometimes come up with just to make their OS work for them! If they would invest half of that energy to get into Linux Userland, they would have no trouble at all using Linux and would also have a good fighting chance when problems invariably arise, when they just put the same energy into it. I also call them bizarre workarounds as they often come from a place of complete lack of information. (not as in uniformed users, but as in the OS of the computer leaves them completely in the dark as of how it works)

That's also why I rally against anything that promises to make computing simple in some way. It's inheriently untrue because the computers we use aren't simple. They're complex machines with tons of legacy, cruft and silicon- and firmware-level bugs crammed into them, so are all the major OSes. You literally do not know all of what your computer is doing right now. Nothing involved with them can be simple, by definition. You can hide the complexity by abstraction, that does not mean it magically disappears though. So when the illusion of simplicity falters and the mask comes off, so to speak, I prefer a fighting chance. I also, really, really don't like to be told how I have to use my computer.

I actually yearn for a more seamless OS experience, simpler computers that are well documented and graspable and programs that do their one thing well. Modern computing platforms certainly aren't it, and Linux is not quite it but the closest I can realistically get while still using a modern computer.

M$

Making computing worse for all by runining the competition, brought to you by Bill Gates, the philanthropist. It was funny seeing him squirm when his buddy Epstein got suicided. Dude probably belongs in prison.

 

[innocent jogger]

Linux has a lot of flaws and ugliness. I think for OSes of computers in the complexity we have (computers that basically run on secrets and are black boxes) there's no such thing as an elegant solution. You'd pretty much have to start over, which is not gonna happen for many reasons. {snipped]

I agree with your wall of text. Computers have never been and never will be simple machines, they just become more complex over time. When the "home" models first became available in the 70s/80s there was no such thing as a desktop and even the most expensive were totally user un-friendly. A big hobby of mine is exploring old games through emulation and, while I had Apple 2 and (some) C64 experience as a kid, booting into a TRS-80, Atari 800 or ZX Spectrum for the first time is like waking up on an alien planet. Windows and Mac (among others) were supposed to change that but it never really happened. All OS since have never found a balance between too simplified and too obfuscated...and maybe it shouldn't be.

I'm really comfortable with what I use right now (my own Debian-based custom) and I'm well experienced with past Windows, with some OSX experience but when I have to use current Windows or Mac (or another Linux DE even) these days I still find that learning curve there. Lots of guessing, wtf moments (and Google when possible) to do things that should be easy. Retarded "change for the sake of change" run amok is all I get from it.

 

[DavidS877]

Apple 2 and (some) C64 experience as a kid, booting into a TRS-80, Atari 800 or ZX Spectrum for the first time is like waking up on an alien planet.

Just use a ZX-81 like a normal person.

 

[Radiator Grilled Cheese]

The NixOS Community recently had a troon exodus. After a brief dilation break, they're back with a spite-fork of the Nix package manager called Lix. Their community standards are basically synonymous with those of a subreddit: be nice to troons and no right wing ideology because it's le bad. I don't see it lasting very long, especially if 43% of their dev team is prone to git commit -m "ACK!".

 

[The Ugly One]

I think that guy just has a raging hate boner against Linux. He showed up in a Windows 11 thread and just started sperging out ant-Linux shit even though nobody had mentioned Linux at all.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/window...now-resort-to-degeneracy.190468/post-18284593

He hates Linux evangelists. There was a long, multi-page thread of Linux evangelists infesting the Windows thread and promoting Linux as the solution to every minor annoyance one might have with Windows. There's no need to run down a list of who said what. It was just the millionth time this happened, and now it appears we have something of a DMZ between the two threads. Strangely enough, we seem to get along better when the Linux thread is where you post about Linux, and the Windows thread is where you post about Windows.

Thread tax: I have just about had it with FOSS projects that have only been tested on the latest Ubuntu. RHEL derivatives are the most popular enterprise Linuxes by far, and I spent all fucking day figuring out how to unfuck dependencies on some stupid lib I needed to build from sources.

 

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I still have one system with a systemd infection sadly, though this should be resolved soon. For those in a similar situation, if you run into the problems with the massive memory leaks that the systemd tumor and the journald cancerous growth suffers, the following should force them to reload so it the memory leak can begin again.

systemctl daemon-reexec
systemctl force-reload systemd-journald

 

[Wii U]

I'm a filthy casual, so I've really only used Ubuntu. I love how Ubuntu works wonderfully in a VM while Windows is basically unusable.

 

[Susanna]

He hates Linux evangelists. There was a long, multi-page thread of Linux evangelists infesting the Windows thread and promoting Linux as the solution to every minor annoyance one might have with Windows. There's no need to run down a list of who said what. It was just the millionth time this happened, and now it appears we have something of a DMZ between the two threads. Strangely enough, we seem to get along better when the Linux thread is where you post about Linux, and the Windows thread is where you post about Windows.

Thread tax: I have just about had it with FOSS projects that have only been tested on the latest Ubuntu. RHEL derivatives are the most popular enterprise Linuxes by far, and I spent all fucking day figuring out how to unfuck dependencies on some stupid lib I needed to build from sources.

Nobody’s saying you aren’t allowed to be upset when Linux nerds take over your thread, just that you should report the ones doing that rather than start doing the same thing that upset you in another thread. Like I get it, it’s annoying when people shit on something you like, I’m a Mac/iPhone user, every other thread here is full of people shitting on superior products just because they’re too poor to afford them. But you can simply let your inferiors cope and seethe on their own, there’s no need to pick fights with them.

 

[WhiteNight]

The NixOS Community recently had a troon exodus. After a brief dilation break, they're back with a spite-fork of the Nix package manager called Lix. Their community standards are basically synonymous with those of a subreddit: be nice to troons and no right wing ideology because it's le bad. I don't see it lasting very long, especially if 43% of their dev team is prone to git commit -m "ACK!".

Link to the project: https://lix.systems/

I expect this to go the way of Ayo.js, a failed fork of Node.js by troons upset at the inadequate levels of censorship and ostracism in the Node community: https://github.com/ayojs/ayo

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

Link to the project: https://lix.systems/

I expect this to go the way of Ayo.js, a failed fork of Node.js by troons upset at the inadequate levels of censorship and ostracism in the Node community: https://github.com/ayojs/ayo

Yeah, or that GIMP fork that happened because a bunch of people with anime avatars said the name GIMP was "unprofessional".

 

[yydszmiteg2]

From the lix community standards page:

For the avoidance of doubt, we do not tolerate discrimination such as racism, sexism, transmisia, pluralphobia, ableism or other sorts of discrimination; we do not tolerate unwelcome sexual advances, stalking, harassment or doxing.

We do not tolerate peddling right-wing ideology, including but not limited to fascism, denying discrimination exists, and other such things.

If I can't tell trannies to fuck off then how am I supposed to stop unwelcome sexual advances?

 

[teriyakiburns]

If I can't tell trannies to fuck off then how am I supposed to stop unwelcome sexual advances?

Not welcoming their sexual advances is right wing bigotry.

 

[khaine]

Link to the project: https://lix.systems/

I expect this to go the way of Ayo.js, a failed fork of Node.js by troons upset at the inadequate levels of censorship and ostracism in the Node community: https://github.com/ayojs/ayo

That's hilarious. I thought the node community was deeply infected with troon bullshit already, but apparently even that isn't enough for the mentally ill.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Computers have never been and never will be simple machines

I'm currently programming an ancient graphics chip from the 80s and it really makes you appreciate how complicated and sophisticated even these old systems could be. You can tell that a lot of smart people created this stuff.

Lix

Just born in the wrong body and otherwise normal, totally not a cult/lifestyle choice you guys

 

[yydszmiteg2]

Can't wait till we have a new enemy from this tranny community trying to take down the farms. Lix Fong Jones if you will.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Maybe with troons leaving Nix we will finally have decent documentation for NixOS? My expectations are low but I am holding onto a sliver of hope here.

 

[Betonhaus]

Maybe with troons leaving Nix we will finally have decent documentation for NixOS? My expectations are low but I am holding onto a sliver of hope here.

Hopefully NixOS locks the doors behind them

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

If you are of a less-marginalised background, keep in mind that you are a guest in our spaces and although you are welcome, you are nonetheless a guest

So they are literally marginalizing people of "a less-marginalised background"...
I'm sure this project will last a long time, and illustrate to us all how valuable transgender inclusion can be.

 

[AnOminous]

I expect this to go the way of Ayo.js, a failed fork of Node.js by troons upset at the inadequate levels of censorship and ostracism in the Node community: https://github.com/ayojs/ayo

I for one welcome the speedy departure of troons and other strutting martinets trying to order around the people who do the actual work. Let them rot in their doomed forks.