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Just wanted to say Mr. Beat is the exact type of school teacher that makes kids thinks learning history sucks. I can't imagine having a class with someone as insufferably smug and pure Dunning-Kruger in action.
I had some bummy High School History teachers. One thought the First Reich was the Roman Empire, the Second Reich was Napoleonic France, and the Third was Nazi Germany.

Another dumbed down the Scramble of Africa to resource stealing (To be expected from current year circa about a decade ago), and not International rivalries and all the other shit involved in it. Also knew nothing of the African powers involved in the Scramble. No talk of the Egyptian Situation between the Khedives, the British interests, and the Ottomans; no talk of what the fuck was going on with Britain and Egypt in the Sudan; no talk of the Suez; No talk of Ottoman Libya; No talk of the Boers; etc.

I passed those classes with As but only because I knew shit even the teachers didn't know. Hell half the time my grades were so good they'd let me fuck off to the library because I was one of the handful of kids who actually didn't need everything spoonfed to them in class. The dumbing down and mediocrity of teaching history feels very intentional, and I think it is.
 
I had some bummy High School History teachers. One thought the First Reich was the Roman Empire, the Second Reich was Napoleonic France, and the Third was Nazi Germany.

Another dumbed down the Scramble of Africa to resource stealing (To be expected from current year circa about a decade ago), and not International rivalries and all the other shit involved in it. Also knew nothing of the African powers involved in the Scramble. No talk of the Egyptian Situation between the Khedives, the British interests, and the Ottomans; no talk of what the fuck was going on with Britain and Egypt in the Sudan; no talk of the Suez; No talk of Ottoman Libya; No talk of the Boers; etc.

I passed those classes with As but only because I knew shit even the teachers didn't know. Hell half the time my grades were so good they'd let me fuck off to the library because I was one of the handful of kids who actually didn't need everything spoonfed to them in class. The dumbing down and mediocrity of teaching history feels very intentional, and I think it is.
Jesus Christ, how the fuck do these kinds of people become history teachers?

Here in Hungary, in order to become a history teacher, you have to attend university for either 5 or 6 (now 4 or 5) years, depending on whether you want to become a 5-8th grade or 9-12th grade history teacher. The content of history teaching is about 80% the same as History BA and MA courses, with the 20% difference coming from having to take methodology classes instead of specializations like archaeology. And there are these huge exams in contemporary (20th century onwards) history, which is made up of the political, economic, social and military history of all the major powers, Hungary and all the surrounding nations as well.
You fail them - and a lot of people did, because of course teaching attracts the sorts of dumbasses seen above - and you're going to be hopelessly bogged down, to the point that instead of 12 semesters, you will be looking at 16 semesters of getting chewed up and spat out by actual historians.

Speaking of which, all the historians teaching at the university I went to were professional, collected and demanding in a motivating way. All except for those that dealt exclusively in contemporary English and American history, because instead of relying on the works of esteemed historians like Gyula Kristó, Zsuzsanna J. Újváry and Ignác Romsics, they were more often than not relying on English language works about systemic racism and white supremacy and the like. Fucking journo-tier shit.

I honestly think that if that's what your teachers are dealing with, it's no surprise they're so incompetent.
 
His ADL/Leo Frank video is great.

The comments are struggling hard to conceal their power level.

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they were more often than not relying on English language works about systemic racism and white supremacy and the like. Fucking journo-tier shit.
I wasn't in college long but my brief flirtation with the humanities involved an intro to Archeology course. First lecture the professor (Female type) gave a brief history of the field and said the next wave of archeology was a school of thought that focused on women and other groups that had been marginalized by the field. Immediately checked out and refused to retain any information from the course. Between that and the horrors of the English department (Though as an interesting note, back then the good progressive line was 'globalization is bad because it exploits third world labor') I tried my damnedest to only take humanities from the Classics department where the profs would barely contain their disappointment that our Midwest public university was full of Chinese.
 
Jesus Christ, how the fuck do these kinds of people become history teachers?
Technically the same process, it's just that both American public schools and universities have dogshit history curriculum and most of the people in them are the I FUCKING LOVE HISTORY crowd, ie Pop History.

It's the type of history that has absolutely zero nuance, surface level facts, and a very obvious bias from sheer ignorance. Source? Speaking to someone who is dipping his toes into the two deeply pozzed academic fields of History and Anthropology for some fucking reason. My archaeology professor is pretty based though, he knows COVID is bullshit and that theres so much bloat everywhere.
 
Was this posted here before?
On the Iraq question, I think J.D. Vance (iirc) nailed it. I'm paraphrasing here because I can't find it. "Iraq wasn't about WMDs or oil. It was because Afghanistan was too quick, the wound of 9/11 too deep to be soothed so easily. We needed a bigger fight."

Leftytube history videos are interesting.
20 minutes? What is this lefty amateur hour?
 
I remember my 5th grade school teacher taught us that the King Philips war was about how the British tricked and convinced the colonists that this random Indian Chief was secretly the King of Spain all along and they should go and get him. Was this an accurate explanation of history?
What? The last King Phillip of Spain had died a decade previously and the king of Spain was my boy the retard in chief Charlie.
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First lecture the professor (Female type) gave a brief history of the field and said the next wave of archeology was a school of thought that focused on women and other groups that had been marginalized by the field. Immediately checked out and refused to retain any information from the course.
Slightly off topic, but in an intro class it is relevant to say what the current state of the field is, regardless of if the professor likes it or not. Post-processualists are usually retarded, but it is what it is. It's important to teach how the field developed from the culture-historical, to the processual, to the post-processual (interpretive). Slight power level, but one of my professors thought Binford and his New Archaeology was the best thing ever, but still recognized that post-processualists sometimes had points and that its difficult to create a perfect picture of the past with imperfect data. Of course a lot of discourse still gets caught up in retarded ideas of class warfare and human agency though.
 
Technically the same process, it's just that both American public schools and universities have dogshit history curriculum and most of the people in them are the I FUCKING LOVE HISTORY crowd, ie Pop History.

It's the type of history that has absolutely zero nuance, surface level facts, and a very obvious bias from sheer ignorance. Source? Speaking to someone who is dipping his toes into the two deeply pozzed academic fields of History and Anthropology for some fucking reason. My archaeology professor is pretty based though, he knows COVID is bullshit and that theres so much bloat everywhere.
It's honestly really fucking frustrating to hear that Pop History is the norm.

I remember how in high school, we used to learn about the Ottoman occupation in Hungary, with fun facts sprinkled in (like how places like Kecskemét were under direct control of the pasha of Buda, being spared from the raids of the sipahis as a result) the overall kind of shallow but nonetheless solid classes.

Then I went to university, and I realized why it had to be simplistic: a high schooler would probably not grasp what Condominium means in the context of Habsburg-Ottoman relations (both sides would raid eachother's territory due to claims based on either being the titular King of Hungary or on the defters that the Ottomans used as a sort of ad-hoc grant to the land they taxed once) and the Maturity Exam (Abitur in German, érettségi vizsga in Hungarian) doesn't include the fascinating things we studied in university, so the average student doesn't give a shit about them anyway. It wasn't because the history teachers didn't know these things - they did - but because they had to deal with teenagers.

A lot of my professors were autistically obsessed with their field, making sure to correct every single assumption that students probably held, so it kind of beat into us that you can't take anything, much less hearsay, at face value. I think I mentioned the case of the "Papal Poo Penitentiary" case somewhere else, which was hilarious, mortifying and informative all at once. Basically, a (I think) 14th century bullator (one of the guys who seals Papal decrees in the name of the Pope) from Krakow went to the privy, dropped a document in there, had to get a servant to retrieve it and the servant drowned, resulting in the bullator being charged with manslaughter, with the evidence our professor brought in being a letter to the Apostolic Penitentiary, asking for absolution. The professor then highlighted that, contrary to popular belief, church servants (most of whom were serfs from church lands) were not seen as property to be abused, even if their lives were not as highly regarded as that of a nobleman, the fuming hatred of a Medievistics professor's righteous anger towards the unjust way the Middle Ages are portrayed brewing in her eyes as she told us.

Other fun stuff included how the Mongols asked everyone everywhere all the time what the purpose of their trip into the Mongol lands (13th century, so almost all of Eurasia) was. If you were caught giving two different answers, you were thought of as a spy and you were probably beaten to death. I swear, they had a more effective way of filtering out spies than the US did before the Cold War.

Anyway, I think the main reason why Hungarian historians take their subjects so seriously is because we're right next to it all the time (there are castles in this country that have been preserved more or less intact since the 14th century, like Sirok - which is a really cool one since it includes a cave as well) and it's the #1 cornerstone of our culture. What Freedom is to Americans, History is to us - so those that are serious about it go above and beyond to honor it properly.
 
Jesus Christ, how the fuck do these kinds of people become history teachers?
Teaching as a career is no longer a good choice in the U.S. Teachers are underpaid and not respected. Students can't be failed or disciplined anymore because of insane parents and idiotic ways of evaluating schools' performance. Education system has been mismanaged or co-opted into oblivion. Higher education is a cesspool. Especially humanities. There on top of typical institutional politics regarding funding, grants, tenures, and other resources you have legions of old hippies and fresh ideologues. Administration is also a huge problem. It's often bloated, rife with nepotism, and sucks resources out of everything else. Just so the school can attract more students, so it can make more money, so that the dean's another niece can get a made up administrative or marketing role that pays $250k a year and guarantees pension that's almost as high.

Only people who end up in teaching positions are ideologues, people who can't get any other job, or idealists. Latter two usually last only few years before they leave the job for something that's better paid and less likely to drive them insane.

It's the type of history that has absolutely zero nuance, surface level facts, and a very obvious bias from sheer ignorance. Source? Speaking to someone who is dipping his toes into the two deeply pozzed academic fields of History and Anthropology for some fucking reason. My archaeology professor is pretty based though, he knows COVID is bullshit and that theres so much bloat everywhere.
I'd say it's worse than that. History is overly simplified and sometimes straight up omitted. Important events that caused massive waves throughout Europe and colonies in modern era - like the fall of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, rise of the Ottomans, fall of Spanish Empire, the process of Prussia unifying Germany, and the seven years war (basically a WW0 that led to British Empire's world dominance) - are skipped from curricula or only given a passing mention. Same for the history of neighbor nations.
Enlightenment and industrial revolution in general get far less attention than they deserve. Same with the great depression to a degree. And all factors that fed into the WW1, that then fed into the WW2, that then fed into the cold war, and later the current day. I think that the curriculum would benefit if there was more emphasis on causes and ripple effects of different historical events.
 
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Then I went to university, and I realized why it had to be simplistic: a high schooler would probably not grasp what Condominium means in the context of Habsburg-Ottoman relations (both sides would raid eachother's territory due to claims based on either being the titular King of Hungary or on the defters that the Ottomans used as a sort of ad-hoc grant to the land they taxed once) and the Maturity Exam (Abitur in German, érettségi vizsga in Hungarian) doesn't include the fascinating things we studied in university, so the average student doesn't give a shit about them anyway. It wasn't because the history teachers didn't know these things - they did - but because they had to deal with teenagers.
To be fair we don't really learn fuck all about the Magyars at all (for shame, you people have a great history) and I assume most countrie's history lessons gravitate around national history, but even our own is subpar, sumbed down, and dogshit. I don't think I have to go into details on this site about how poorly taught and narrative driven American history is now. Every single topic from European Contact until the Civil Rights era is filled to the brim f garbage.

No explanation for why people fucked off out of Europe and settled on a literal frontier they were likely to dei in, no look into that life, no in depth look at colonial and early American life, etc.

A lot of it is of course cause you can only fit so much into the curriculum, and unless you're a super autist who actually cares about history enough not to be a Pop History faggot or a military history sperg, you won't get these details. A serious, in depth history curriculum that focuses on various period narratives as well as looking at history from an objective, apolitical viewpoint is simply not feasible.

Especially in a climate where current day historians or self professed ones like to pretend they aren't biased (At least on the leftist side) when all history is biased.
And all factors that fed into the WW1, that then fed into the WW2, that then fed into the cold war, and later the current day. I think that the curriculum would benefit if there was more emphasis on causes and ripple effects of different historical events.
Most people don't even know of the lead-up to the war. They just accept the dumbed down narrative of Archduke gets shot and Europe goes to war and completely forget there was a interlude between said assassination and the outbreak of hostilities called the July Crisis. I can say a lot on the narratives around both wars that are taught but I generally see that whole period as essentially propaganda to prove democracy is the best thing ever and ultimately outlives all other political thought.
 
the most based history tuber.
Great video! Thanks for informing me about the channel.

Good video.
For a split second while scrolling through this thread, I misread the title as "The Guidos Rarely Win..." lmao.


Also, I came across this other history channel that does expository videos on the lives of interesting historical figures, such as: Francis Yockey, Huey Long, Boris Savinkov, Mikhail Tukhachevsky, Roman von Ungern-Sternberg, and Siegfried Müller. You can find the channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@Spartan761/videos

The guy's videos are concise with clean presentation. He also has a decent sense of humor so I'm willing to overlook the fact that he is Canadian. For example:
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The Müller interview that he references in the video on him is also a good watch.
You can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB9gyyVrbxk
It is age restricted and keep in mind that the "journos" interviewing him are DDR and that Müller gets progressively more drunk as the interview goes on.
 
I had some bummy High School History teachers. One thought the First Reich was the Roman Empire, the Second Reich was Napoleonic France, and the Third was Nazi Germany.

Another dumbed down the Scramble of Africa to resource stealing (To be expected from current year circa about a decade ago), and not International rivalries and all the other shit involved in it. Also knew nothing of the African powers involved in the Scramble. No talk of the Egyptian Situation between the Khedives, the British interests, and the Ottomans; no talk of what the fuck was going on with Britain and Egypt in the Sudan; no talk of the Suez; No talk of Ottoman Libya; No talk of the Boers; etc.
Speaking of which, all the historians teaching at the university I went to were professional, collected and demanding in a motivating way. All except for those that dealt exclusively in contemporary English and American history, because instead of relying on the works of esteemed historians like Gyula Kristó, Zsuzsanna J. Újváry and Ignác Romsics, they were more often than not relying on English language works about systemic racism and white supremacy and the like. Fucking journo-tier shit.

I honestly think that if that's what your teachers are dealing with, it's no surprise they're so incompetent.
Teaching as a career is no longer a good choice in the U.S. Teachers are underpaid and not respected. Students can't be failed or disciplined anymore because of insane parents and idiotic ways of evaluating schools' performance. Education system has been mismanaged or co-opted into oblivion. Higher education is a cesspool. Especially humanities. There on top of typical institutional politics regarding funding, grants, tenures, and other resources you have legions of old hippies and fresh ideologues. Administration is also a huge problem. It's often bloated, rife with nepotism, and sucks resources out of everything else. Just so the school can attract more students, so it can make more money, so that the dean's another niece can get a made up administrative or marketing role that pays $250k a year and guarantees pension that's almost as high.
What unites why high school history classes are subpar to bad is that they are all based on one thing: the textbook. The teacher doesn't have to teach or know anything historical, he/she can just mention material spoken verbatim of the textbook, and make quizzes based on the chapters and make exams based on a group of chapters. Basically, the entire curriculum and material was dictated by the publisher of the textbook. My A.P. United States History class (A.P. = Advanced Placement for non-Americans, which is basically harder courses where high schoolers can earn college credit for that subject if they did well on those exams) was basically like this: 1) read a chapter of the textbook per week 2) make report based on the chapter review with one paragraph per question 3) during lessons, listen to stuff spoken verbatim of the textbook 4) do a quiz on each chapter 5) memorize everything before the A.P. exam (got a 5 and an A so hurray with that I suppose). All my previous history classes were also like that. No wonder why people sleep with this stuff.

Middle school history classes were much more of a blast, since the teachers were able to create their own curriculum not in accordance to the textbook. I had one history teacher who had the class play a simulation game that is sadly now abandonware called Virtual History: Ancient Egypt where we set up irrigation and agricultural systems around the Nile River and build cities around them, just like the Egyptians did it. We studied the religions, irrigation cultures, and philosophies of the civilizations arose in Mesopotamia and Ancient Greece, and he made the students engaged with his energetic and humorous personalty. In days where there is nothing left to teach, he had us play Civilization V and gave extra help hours during lunchtime for students who want to play that game. He also showed me a picture of an Optimus Prime in Minecraft that he built with his son because he was inspired by me wearing a shirt of the Autobot leader. There is a reason why that dude won Teacher of the Year two times in a row.

However, I heard he left his job when I was in high school or early college, because he went into a depression crisis. It's a somber moment, because I could never forget how much of a blast in the only time where I enjoyed learning history in school instead of just learning them from real time strategy games like Rise of Nations or Age of Empires. From there on, the only time where history classes are fun is when you cultivate friendly conversations with the teachers not based on history, which is unfortunate. Do ya'll have any history teachers that were based and fun to hang around? I'd love to hear some wholesome stories.

Here in Hungary, in order to become a history teacher, you have to attend university for either 5 or 6 (now 4 or 5) years, depending on whether you want to become a 5-8th grade or 9-12th grade history teacher.
You're the fifth Hungarian I met on the Farms this month. That's crazy.
 
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I gave Mr. Z's most recent video a watch and to simply put it's awfully biased and quite the character assassination.

-He leaves out the main reason for the Potawatomie Massacre which was the Sacking of Lawrence by pro-slavery militias
-He calls the men who were killed during the massacre "innocent" when in reality the men were involved with Lawrence
-He tries to compare Brown's planned rebellion in the South to a hypothetical rebellion in North California without really giving an explanation of why on the latter
-He claims John Brown was genocidal to any and all white southerners despite Brown sparing a number of southern whites during his campaigns in Kansas
-He says anyone that sympathizes with Brown is a "liberal historian" even though most historians agree John Brown was a loon regardless of their personal politics

Do ya'll have any history teachers that were based and fun to hang around? I'd love to hear some wholesome stories.
My freshmen and sophomore year teacher in high school let us play Age of Empires 2 on Fridays. He'd play with us too using the Persian Elephant Train. Sadly he passed away about 3 years ago.
 
Do ya'll have any history teachers that were based and fun to hang around? I'd love to hear some wholesome stories.
Most of my history teachers included personal anecdotes in the lessons, such as the different types of Czech beer they drank in Prague when we were learning about the outbreak of the Thirty Years' War.

My high school physics teacher had probably the best methodology. He started off the lesson by asking if we know anything about ballistics, then he suddenly pulled out a nerf gun and shot one of the sleeping students' desks. The student woke up and started paying attention, the rest of us got a demonstration of what we're going to be talking about, great class 10/10.
 
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