Debate @Omori Boy on the existence of autogynephilia - Resident Troon Claims He Is Not A Pervert

[AgendaPoster]

2) Walls of text containing dozens of links to studies.
Yet, once you read through, you realise that these studies don't actually substantiate the trannies claim/s at all.
This is either due to small sample size, poor methodology, lack of follow up, bad statistics in the results, contradictory statements in the discussion, leading to extrapolation in the abstract. Because troons only read the (free) extracts - they are often not aware of these issues

The best they have are studies that claim to show that HRT or, more rarely, SRS is alleviating dysphoria.
First, most modern trannies reject that dysphoria is a necessary condition for transsexualism. Second, most modern trannies reject that HRT and SRS are necessary conditions too.
And third, no study has gone beyond gender and inner feelings, so the biology, anatomy and physiology, the genetics, all the science hard stuff has remained fully unchallenged.
Only the most insane (and widely ridiculed) "doctors" are making claims about intersex/DSD conditions as being proof of sex being a spectrum. Only the most pathetic and schizophrenic consider illnesses and defects desirable human diversity.
And we need to keep in mind - when it comes to other birth defects, like spina bifida or cleft palate, this is the used terminology:

Gone are the euphemisms, the attempts to make it sound inclusive and non-hurtful.
It's defects, abnormalities, disorders, disabilities and so on.
It's BAD and should be fixed. It's undesirable.
BUT
When it comes to the fucking genitalia, suddenly it's haram territory and sensitivity hours.
Humans are suffering from obvious cognitive biases and extreme sex-based paranoias and prudishness. Most humans cannot be trusted whatsoever when it comes to anything related to human sexuality and reproduction.

 

[TheBigZee]

And the medical community found that it's better to group them together.

Providing guidance on treatment doesn't mean they are the same. By that logic, WPATH's SoC8 puts you in the same category as Eunichs.

You're encouraging the silencing of disagrement here:

Rightfully so, can't have people providing medical care when they deny reality.

Then using the lack of criticism as justification to say "the vast majority" here:

Of course this makes no sense when the vast majority of doctors, psychologists, and scientists agree with current standards and almost all opposition comes from unqualified persons and a select few medical professionals.

The Cass Report is an english language watershed because the NHS gave one of the most respected pediatricians in the UK the money and the means to do a thorough review without having to worry about activists that insist she was "ignoring reality" or a nutjub.

AAHHH THAT'S THE ONE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ENTIRE TIME!!! Thanks for reminding me of the name of it. As mentioned earlier in the thread, it reads like something Graham Hancock wrote. Someone who has an agenda to push and who's report reads like a scorned ex or a QAnon-tier conspiracy theorist.

Is that an opinion you came to on your own by reading and understanding the report or Dr. Cass's summary, or are you relying on third party analysis?

Because it's true, and it lines up with exactly what the scandenavian countries already found and what's come out during the state AG lawsuits: WPATH, The american endocrinological society, and the American Pediatric Society all reference each other to support their guidelines - no one can provide an appropriate evidence base for the recommendations in the SoC8. It's "Trust us, we're the experts", or it's "These other groups say the same thing".

When asked why in court, the APS and the AES both said they were following WPATH, and WPATH said they were following the other two.

Here's Cass responding to a US interviewer:

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/05/08/nhs-hilary-cass-review-gender-transgender-care

 

[Vibe_Guy]

@Omori Boy I gave you the therapy route but no, you just had to argue to strangers on the internet that live in countries that despise your lifestyle thinking you have a chance to change their minds.

Enjoy arguing, child.

 

[Cringestorian X]

Never was able to get that stuff working for. Computer stuff is magic to me.

I thought trannies are supposed to be good with computer

 

[Boglim Enthusiast]

Omori a massive faggot

Yes, I don't know why we engage with such a sad / tortured creature and allow them on the site.

Fits perfectly in with the rest of the other onions already anyway so might as well send him packing.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

AGP is real and you don't even have to ask researchers like Anne A Lawrence to find it, just look at the Omori faggots posts ITT where half the time he mentions sex in some way. He is sex obsessed. He DMs moob pics. Clearly, his life revolves around sexuality. Even if someone claims, now, they don't watch porn he is actively living his fetish every day regardless. He is voyeuristic and perverted down to the very core. Textbook AGPs are always the ones who scream the loudest "AGP doesn't real!!!". Any half intelligent AGP will recognize their own AGP and atleast try arguing its ok/makes him valid. Only the most retarded of AGPs outright deny it.

He's saying he thinks he's smarter than you, that he can successfully gaslight you into thinking it's not real and all trannies are "tru trans stuck in the wrong body!" When it couldn't be less true. If you're stuck in the wrong body, go ahead and fast track that dick chop ASAP. Oh, but you won't @Omori Boy, because you need it to keep playing along with your fetish and youre scared you might never coom again without it.

Take this shit to reddit, or tumblr, or somewhere that some retard might believe you. It won't happen here. You will never be a woman.

 

[AgendaPoster]

AGP is real and you don't even have to ask researchers like Anne A Lawrence to find it, just look at the Omori faggots posts ITT where half the time he mentions sex in some way. He is sex obsessed. He DMs moob pics. Clearly, his life revolves around sexuality. Even if someone claims, now, they don't watch porn he is actively living his fetish every day regardless. He is voyeuristic and perverted down to the very core. Textbook AGPs are always the ones who scream the loudest "AGP doesn't real!!!". Any half intelligent AGP will recognize their own AGP and atleast try arguing its ok/makes him valid. Only the most retarded of AGPs outright deny it.

When I had a Twitter account I had a few conversations with Blanchard (he was actually quite active and communicative) and he was followed by quite a few AGPs that were open about their condition and rather sincere, very uncharacteristic.
Hope he's well. Was a pleasure and privilege to talk to him. Fuck you Elon.

 

[Anti Snigger]

You remember being little and pretending to be a dragon and how fun it was

No wtf that’s gay
I wanted to be spider man

 

[TheBigZee]

@Omori Boy - Redefining society aroud gender is a threat to the underpinnings of western civilization though. Liberalism and Rationalism require an objective reality. Favoring "gender" over "sex" is a step backwards - trans ideaology starts with a belief about reality based on subjective feelings. It's demanding that we redefine "man" and "woman" legally and socially on belief.

It's part of a larger movement to eliminate free-enquiry in science - science that contradicts beliefs is harmful.

Science that contradicts creationism causes sin.

You're the same as the fundy bible school kids - that's why you're being mislead so badly about the contents of the Cass report. It's the same reason curriculums must include "intelligent design". Because your youth pastor has been lying to you and they need to cover for it.

 

[eatler]

No wtf that’s gay
I wanted to be spider man

Wish granted, I put your post in the Spider-Man thread. You can consider yourself Spider-Man.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Redefining society aroud gender is a threat to the underpinnings of western civilization though. Liberalism and Rationalism require an objective reality. Favoring "gender" over "sex" is a step backwards - trans ideaology starts with a belief about reality based on subjective feelings. It's demanding that we redefine "man" and "woman" legally and socially on belief.

I want you to be right, but the picture you draw here is incomplete.
Liberalism is also about individual freedom and emancipation, individual autonomy. It's also been evolving. A LOT.
Progressivism and all its taboos and sacred cows are a direct consequence of liberal desires.
Also liberalism has not be rational for many decades. It's an ideology dedicated to universalism and human rights, which are obvious constructs. Tribalism for example is evolutionarily viable, needed even, and rational. And yet liberalism, in all its forms, always sought to fight that.
Liberalism almost claims to have a monopoly on reason. It does not. Socialism made the same claims.
The actual truth is that objective reality and reason are politically neutral. Sometimes they might lead to the opposite of what's liberal.
TL;DR - Omori and his kind are the direct result of liberalism and individual autonomy being exalted.

 

[Omori Boy]

The best they have are studies that claim to show that HRT or, more rarely, SRS is alleviating dysphoria.
First, most modern trannies reject that dysphoria is a necessary condition for transsexualism. Second, most modern trannies reject that HRT and SRS are necessary conditions too.
And third, no study has gone beyond gender and inner feelings, so the biology, anatomy and physiology, the genetics, all the science hard stuff has remained fully unchallenged.

I used to have a list of studies for literally everything from gender dysphoria to the effects of medical treatment to mental health. What others, especially non-medical people say online isn't a consensus in the majority of the medical community or the LGBT community.

Only the most insane (and widely ridiculed) "doctors" are making claims about intersex/DSD conditions as being proof of sex being a spectrum. Only the most pathetic and schizophrenic consider illnesses and defects desirable human diversity.

Wow can you tell me where I said sex isn't mainly a spectrum?

You're encouraging the silencing of disagrement here:
Then using the lack of criticism as justification to say "the vast majority" here:
The Cass Report is an english language watershed because the NHS gave one of the most respected pediatricians in the UK the money and the means to do a thorough review without having to worry about activists that insist she was "ignoring reality" or a nutjub.

I'd say Britain's Royal College of Psychiatrists said it best. They also agree that the people writing the report seem to have an agenda and let it show in the report:

There is a strong view that the report makes assumptions in areas such as social transition and possible explanations for the increase in the numbers of people who have a trans or gender diverse identity, which contrasts with the more decisive statements about treatment approaches.

@Omori Boy I gave you the therapy route but no, you just had to argue to strangers on the internet that live in countries that despise your lifestyle thinking you have a chance to change their minds.

Enjoy arguing, child.

I know you're trying to fuck around, but I actually did have a personal policy for like two years of not arguing with people online about this because no matter how many studies I would state, how many surveys I'd cite, how many anecdotes (which can be useful!) I'd give, it would always turn into a never ending fight, many time's I'd just give the same evidence over and over because a new person would join and I'd have to post the answer I had made 10 pages back because the question had already been asked.

I thought trannies are supposed to be good with computer

I'm breaking the mold.

AGP is real and you don't even have to ask researchers

You're right we should listen to the sex pest with sexuality issues, who teaches at the same University as Jordan Peterson as the one and only source of info on the group he sexually preys on. NEVER, EVER listen to the researchers!

When I had a Twitter account I had a few conversations with Blanchard (he was actually quite active and communicative) and he was followed by quite a few AGPs that were open about their condition and rather sincere, very uncharacteristic.

He's got a pack of pick-me's following him around on there, what you find is, these people are actual sex fetishists (just like how AGP is supposed to be) that find that, if it fits them, then it must fit others. They are the outliers that proves his insane theory, but since 98% of trans people don't fit his criteria, he has to constantly add new classifications with an increasing amount of letters to fit.

Redefining society aroud gender is a threat to the underpinnings of western civilization though.

Absolutely refined, pure, unadulterated lunacy.

It's part of a larger movement to eliminate free-enquiry in science - science that contradicts beliefs is harmful.

Science that contradicts creationism causes sin.

We want science to follow the scientific process. If you come up with a conclusion and work toward it, you can do that, it's quite easy, but the problem with that is, 99% of the time, you deny all contrary evidence. How on Earth would the modern treatment of trans healthcare come into being if a large portion of the public, and especially a large portion of politicians, are openly hostile towards trans people, other than the fact that the medical community deemed that treatment the most effective?

 

[SentinentCloud]

im drinking on the troonshiiine, oh oh

 

[TheBigZee]

I'd say Britain's Royal College of Psychiatrists said it best. They also agree that the people writing the report seem to have an agenda and let it show in the report:

I read the entire reply. It doesn't contest anything about the report. It's a pretty blunt refutation of the affirmative model of care. It supports the changes and acknowledges that the previous NHS standards weren't backed by evidence.

The final line:

“While the report presents challenges, it also offers a roadmap toward more effective, compassionate, and evidence-based care for transgender and gender-questioning children and young people. The Royal College of Psychiatrists will collaborate with stakeholders across the spectrum to implement these recommendations and improve outcomes for this underserved population.”

The quote you took out of context. Read the two paragraphs together:

Spoiler

It is also important to recognise that trans members of the College and the wider trans community have raised concerns about the negative impact of the report. This includes how the review's conclusions on the evidence base of different interventions and the need to wait for further research, in combination with the knowledge that existing services are unable to meet demand, will leave gender questioning children and young people feeling unsupported and unseen.

"There is a strong view that the report makes assumptions in areas such as social transition and possible explanations for the increase in the numbers of people who have a trans or gender diverse identity, which contrasts with the more decisive statements about treatment approaches. During implementation, these views should be taken into account to ensure every child, young person and their families feel supported by all. This will require individuals with lived experience being directly and comprehensively involved in the ongoing process.

It's specifically addressing concerns from the trans community and trans members of the college. Not the college itself.

 

[Lidl Drip]

There's no point trying to debate trannies because they simply don't care about reality at all, just their fetish and forcing other people to participate in it.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Wow can you tell me where I said sex isn't mainly a spectrum?

Honey you're quite dedicated to this. It's like arguing with Jews about Zionism. It's lulzy, sometimes enjoyable, but the gaslighting does get stale.

 

[TheBigZee]

We want science to follow the scientific process. If you come up with a conclusion and work toward it, you can do that, it's quite easy, but the problem with that is, 99% of the time, you deny all contrary evidence.

What was the evidence behind the affirmative model of care? The whole point of the Cass review is that you can't reach those conclusions from the evidence AND THE STATEMENT YOU LINKED AGREED.

How on Earth would the modern treatment of trans healthcare come into being if a large portion of the public, and especially a large portion of politicians, are openly hostile towards trans people, other than the fact that the medical community deemed that treatment the most effective?

How did 2% of Americans get hooked on prescription opiates even though all the evidence up until the 1990s showed that's exactly what happens when prescribed outside of acute care and cancer?

The most damning thing in the response you shared:

“The report has highlighted that routine data collection on longer term outcomes was not available to the review team. This should never be the case. We call upon all relevant services to support the full programme of research recommended in the report. This will ensure researchers and service evaluators have access to comprehensive data on the characteristics, interventions, experiences and outcomes of every young person presenting to NHS gender services.

The gender clinics refused to provide outcome data.

Edit:
I'll answer my own rhetorical question. A few doctors created a brand spanking new branch of medicine called "pain management". They used low quality evidence to prove opiates weren't highly addictive. They worked with disability and chronic pain advocacy organizations to push for a highly medicalized model where pain was an independent medical issue. Purdue saw an opportunity and they took it.

Anyone who knew what was going to happen were called cranks and shouted down. Law Enforcement, addiction councilors, and doctors. Hospitals were forced to implement a 10 point scale. The science, human compassion supported it. Oh, there was a *lot* of money to be made all around.

It was pretty much the affirmative model with opiates. Maybe it helped a small number of well screened patients, but it ruined the lives of more people than it helped.

 

[Redoniblueoni]

@Omori Boy you say this (without proof) and yet you embody that exact thing, in this thread. You're the sex pest with sexuality issues you think we're all supposed to take at face value, despite you not being a researcher or even providing any kind of proof of your outlandish claims at all. Your narc projection is showing in this one, I'd tell you to hide it better but troons showing their true colors never fails to amuse me. Once again, go to reddit or discord where you might be believed because you're not very good at arguing this. Leave this debate up to the few troons that haven't listened to 500 hours of sissy hypno, because it shows in everything you write.

 

[Death of an Ego]

I'm not even going to bother trying to debate or @ Omori boy/Kenya Jones. He's a chronic true believer and one of the people behind the disgusting ERP DM chains fiasco, and he's never argued in good faith here, and I would imagine anywhere else, since he's narcissistic as fuck like most troons. Call me a transphobe all you want, you perverted waste of oxygen. The world will be far better off by a tiny margin when you wake up and realize you are living a lie and trying to force others to believe it. Whether that realization makes 41% go up by a tiny fraction or not is immaterial to me.

 

[hl2_linux]

I used to have a list of studies for literally everything from gender dysphoria to the effects of medical treatment to mental health. What others, especially non-medical people say online isn't a consensus in the majority of the medical community or the LGBT community.

Wow can you tell me where I said sex isn't mainly a spectrum?

I'd say Britain's Royal College of Psychiatrists said it best. They also agree that the people writing the report seem to have an agenda and let it show in the report:

I know you're trying to fuck around, but I actually did have a personal policy for like two years of not arguing with people online about this because no matter how many studies I would state, how many surveys I'd cite, how many anecdotes (which can be useful!) I'd give, it would always turn into a never ending fight, many time's I'd just give the same evidence over and over because a new person would join and I'd have to post the answer I had made 10 pages back because the question had already been asked.

I'm breaking the mold

You're right we should listen to the sex pest with sexuality issues, who teaches at the same University as Jordan Peterson as the one and only source of info on the group he sexually preys on. NEVER, EVER listen to the researchers!

He's got a pack of pick-me's following him around on there, what you find is, these people are actual sex fetishists (just like how AGP is supposed to be) that find that, if it fits them, then it must fit others. They are the outliers that proves his insane theory, but since 98% of trans people don't fit his criteria, he has to constantly add new classifications with an increasing amount of letters to fit.

Absolutely refined, pure, unadulterated lunacy.

We want science to follow the scientific process. If you come up with a conclusion and work toward it, you can do that, it's quite easy, but the problem with that is, 99% of the time, you deny all contrary evidence. How on Earth would the modern treatment of trans healthcare come into being if a large portion of the public, and especially a large portion of politicians, are openly hostile towards trans people, other than the fact that the medical community deemed that treatment the most effective?

i aint reading all that