Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Oh well, it's not like if he put the books out they would be worth the piss to soak them.

The thing that always struck me as odd about Cyberfrog is why I was supposed to give a fuck. At no point in either the original "my dad doesn't love me" 90s run; and then the modern "I married a beard" run has any reason for the reader to give a fuck shown up.

Cyberfrog is just a bastard that makes everyone else's life horrible. He's no hero, he's no Antihero either. He's not even a sideshow ham like Deadpool.
He's just a lost little boy's cry for attention---and he's still crying.

"Look at all these comics I put out, just ignore the fact that it's actually two comics with fifty variant covers."

The comic industry is so pathetically lazy.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

I'm not CG, I left because the head honchos are all trying to sweep shit under the carpet, repeatedly lie about not knowing this or that when they were actively involved in conversations on those topics. I consider Ethan Van Sciver and Eric July two sides of the same coin, both want to control others and profit off the work of others just like Marvel/DC who they all made big bones criticising for doing that very thing. Only real difference is Ethan's experience and he can actually make art.

Yes you are CG. You just parroted the last 6 months of Trashcast narratives. Right down to the WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK warehouse argument. I have never seen people so obsessed with storage space. Ever.

Eric tells people regularly on his show that he didn't create the stories that Chuck, Mike, and the Soskas did. At every opportunity he steps aside and says "I didn't create that, I couldn't write the story that [Chuck, Mike, The Soskas] did. I just made it possible." So this narrative you bleach drinkers invented falls apart as soon as you pay attention to single Rippaverse spotlight livestream.

Just stop acting like a TV tough guy. Settle down, and take your puzzle pieces with some dignity.

EDIT: meme

 

[KingofSomething]

I'm not CG, I left because the head honchos are all trying to sweep shit under the carpet, repeatedly lie about not knowing this or that when they were actively involved in conversations on those topics. I consider Ethan Van Sciver and Eric July two sides of the same coin, both want to control others and profit off the work of others just like Marvel/DC who they all made big bones criticising for doing that very thing. Only real difference is Ethan's experience and he can actually make art.

Nigga, Eric put up his own money to put to out his own product and constantly plays the hype-man for his team every chance he gets. Ethan sits on the pile of money other people gave him and does fuck all to put out books and instead spends hours everyday bitching about someone who actually delivers what they promise

 

[FedPostalService]

Nothing he said about Rippaverse is technically wrong.

But he is being a crybaby faggot. My point still stands.

I'm not CG, I left because the head honchos are all trying to sweep shit under the carpet, repeatedly lie about not knowing this or that when they were actively involved in conversations on those topics. I consider Ethan Van Sciver and Eric July two sides of the same coin, both want to control others and profit off the work of others just like Marvel/DC who they all made big bones criticising for doing that very thing. Only real difference is Ethan's experience and he can actually make art.

Kill your self.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

both want to control others and profit off the work of others just like Marvel/DC

Who is July controlling and how?
Whose work is July (or even EVS) profiting from?

Your post had the same talking points that a guy named motts made several times in this thread over the past months, just better articulated. That's why people reacted this way.
No one gives a fuck if July blocks people on xitter or if he employs people or if he has too many warehouses. Yet people just keep repeating these points (to prove something?).

I hope EJ gets lucky and finds someone who helps him improve the quality

Yeah, I hope he finds someone. Other than Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron and Joe Bennett and Caanan White and whoever else he's working with next.

Rippoffverse has decided its time to passive-aggressively harass(or concern troll if you prefer) people who collaborate with Eric July

This reads exactly like what Masterson was tweeting at the ISOM ministry last year.

 

[The Tall Man]

Eric tells people regularly on his show that he didn't create the stories that Chuck, Mike, and the Soskas did.

That's what I never understood about EJ, he seems good at promoting and running the operation, why doesn't he get better people to make the funny books?

Yeah, I hope he finds someone. Other than Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron and Joe Bennett and Caanan White and whoever else he's working with next.

I agree, even though you probably meant it ironic.

 

[MichaelsAsylum]

Who is July controlling and how?
Whose work is July (or even EVS) profiting from?

Your post had the same talking points that a guy named motts made several times in this thread over the past months, just better articulated. That's why people reacted this way.
No one gives a fuck if July blocks people on xitter or if he employs people or if he has too many warehouses. Yet people just keep repeating these points (to prove something?).


Yeah, I hope he finds someone. Other than Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron and Joe Bennett and Caanan White and whoever else he's working with next.


This reads exactly like what Masterson was tweeting at the ISOM ministry last year.

Ummm, ever heard of Rippasend? Wants $17 per order just to pack and ship other's products which he will print and have in HIS warehouse. If you decide to stop using Rippsend you'll be out a lot of money to recover your product. BTW, there are other services doing it for $10.

EVS will promote some people, if you kiss the ring, and he'll do it to the tune of thousands in superchats for being such a "great guy" Otherwise he goes off telling people "You'd be nothing if I didn't promote you" type BS.

 

[Lyr1cal_P0rk]

That's what I never understood about EJ, he seems good at promoting and running the operation, why doesn't he get better people to make the funny books?


I agree, even though you probably meant it ironic.

like any good businessman
ej wants to save money
so he hires people who wont cost him much
the soskas did vomit torture porn on an actual mentally ill abuse victim who was being kept as a sex slave by the director
their victim later killed herself
i cant imagine those nasty slags do much of anything for very much money
given they already sold their souls for so little
then he hired people like chuck dixon because he was rightly told his writing sucks and he knew hiring a popular writer would get him sales on name alone

 

[MichaelsAsylum]

But he is being a crybaby faggot. My point still stands.

Kill your self.

Anyone telling another to go kill themselves for an opinion is a psychopath. You need to be in counseling and on meds, perhaps 5150d.

 

[FedPostalService]

Anyone telling another to go kill themselves for an opinion is a psychopath. You need to be in counseling and on meds, perhaps 5150d.

You’re on Kiwi Farms, we are all either autistic, psychopaths, or autistic psychopaths.

Please follow my advice.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

Ummm, ever heard of Rippasend? Wants $17 per order just to pack and ship other's products which he will print and have in HIS warehouse. If you decide to stop using Rippsend you'll be out a lot of money to recover your product. BTW, there are other services doing it for $10.

EVS will promote some people, if you kiss the ring, and he'll do it to the tune of thousands in superchats for being such a "great guy" Otherwise he goes off telling people "You'd be nothing if I didn't promote you" type BS.

People choosing to print/ship with Rippasend equals July profiting off others' work? Or is that him controlling them? If he offers a bad service, people shouldn't use it.

As for EVS, the point you mention falls under the control aspect, which I agree with. People watching his stream closing out some Malin book aren't there for Malin's book. They're there, being paypigs, because they're EVS's "fans".
The money EVS's cult is spending on EVS superchats is not money that belongs to other creators.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

That's what I never understood about EJ, he seems good at promoting and running the operation, why doesn't he get better people to make the funny books?

This is the old "jus meg gud comix" bullshit. No one has a universal metric to measure "better people for the job". It's all subjective. I don't own any of the Rippaverse books. I've read them through friends lending me their copies, what I see is the beginning of a comic book universe that didn't have time to "cool off from the forge" as I mentioned in a previous post about Writer's High. Chuck didn't have a lot to work with with Alphacore, it's a brand new universe and Alphacore is suited for a universe that has more published lore than the Rippaverse at this moment. I dont think Alphacore broke any standards, but I do think they went way overboard with the green motif. I was begging for somebody to wear a fucking blue jumpsuit. Just one single guy that wasn't BLAZING CHROMAKEY GREEN.

Go back and look at any startup. Even the almighty IMAGE stuffered from going to the presses with stuff that needed 10 more minutes in the "Hey wait a minute.." stage of development.

People get hyper focused on what he's created because they see what he critiques, forgetting that it's easy to poke holes; and much harder to build something bulletproof. It's why I believe ISOM #3 will blow people away. He's had time to work with people like Chuck and Mike that specialize in playing in other people's sandbox. My guess is they helped him fill out the Rippaverse bible he talks about.

Anyone telling another to go kill themselves for an opinion is a psychopath. You need to be in counseling and on meds, perhaps 5150d.

I'm so glad I saved the second half of this meme.

 

[Harm]

Anyone telling another to go kill themselves for an opinion is a psychopath. You need to be in counseling and on meds, perhaps 5150d.

Psychopath here! Kill yourself for your opinions. This is not a recommendation, it is a command.

Unlike Iconic, which has a growing fanbase, Rippaverse seems to have a declining one.

Well said; that's a fair assessment. At the same time, even with a diminishing fanbase it's an impressive core audience, and he hasn't done anything that'd hinder his ability to grow in the future.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Racism, seriously. Eric July is just a dumbass who produced some crap comics, overspent like crazy for 2 warehouses, and is now in a massive sales slump that he likely will not recover from. All of his characters are generic ripoffs of something else or a blatant self insert. He keeps coming up with tchotchke after tchotchke to try to buff the sales figures.

Eric also has a mad history of grifting. Gangbanger phase that got his GF killed, then dancing, then his band, then the political commentary, grifted into the fandom menace, then comics and pop culture. He will grift out of comics into something else soon. He has already made the Soska (lesbian piss porn) sisters the Editors-in-chief and loremasters for the rippaverse, which might as well be renamed to the Soskaverse.

Eric has a block list he tries to make his people use to shield them from seeing any detracting. I was blocked by Eric for asking him how he considered a massive sales drop from ISOM #1 to #2 "growth" and now see I'm blocked by key people in his company who I have never interacted with. NDAs, what a joke for his little child self-insert fantasy.

Eric has also waffled many times on whether or not he has outside investors and claims to have been offered $12M+ for the rippaverse. Glenn Beck got him a media tour to promote his garbage comic and the sales keep diving.

Criticising Eric July is not racism, it's par for the course for internet dumbasses.

Again, who cares? Why does what Eric July does matter to anybody in Comicsgate? He's told you twenty different ways that he's not CG and chooses to do his own thing. It's irrelevant to CG. Why the obsession?

It's a bit rich to claim "sales slump" because his current wildly successful campaign isn't at the numbers of his initial offerings that exceeded all expectations by several orders of magnitude. It's like criticizing the winner of the $100 million Powerball because the next lottery he won only paid $5 million.

 

[KingofSomething]

Ummm, ever heard of Rippasend? Wants $17 per order just to pack and ship other's products which he will print and have in HIS warehouse. If you decide to stop using Rippsend you'll be out a lot of money to recover your product. BTW, there are other services doing it for $10.

Damn, that's crazy. Didn't realize Eric was forcing people at gunpoint to use Rippasend, If people have a problem with it and can get better deals elsewhere, they should use other shit.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Damn, that's crazy. Didn't realize Eric was forcing people at gunpoint to use Rippasend, If people have a problem with it and can get better deals elsewhere, they should use other shit.

Remember when Rosa Malin was celebrated for having the same idea three+ years ago but it went nowhere? RosaSends?

Eric July, making fools out of ComicsGate grifters since 2022.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

Didn't realize Eric was forcing people at gunpoint to use Rippasend

Well, did you know that despite making up only 13% of the population...?

 

[The Tall Man]

No one has a universal metric to measure "better people for the job".

Don't be a faggoty relativist.
If you had Frank Frazetta doing the pictures and Robert E. Howard writing the story, it would be a great product.
If you got EVS to do the story and EJ the art, it would suck.
This shows that there is an obvious hierarchy within art, and a good producer or agent could have read one of Robert E. Howard's first stories and told you he is good, or looked at one of Frazetta's early drawings and concluded the same.
Most people lack the ability to discern a good artist from a mediocre one, but it's wrong to assume that means no one can.
EJ needs someone who can recognize a great artist.

what I see is the beginning of a comic book universe that didn't have time to "cool off from the forge"

It seems half-baked to me.
You seem to believe that they will get into the groove and improve.
I on the other hand think EJ needs better people.

Go back and look at any startup.

Just look at the present; Iconic has added absolutely fantastic artists to their roster.

He's had time to work with people like Chuck and Mike that specialize in playing in other people's sandbox. My guess is they helped him fill out the Rippaverse bible he talks about.

My prediction is the art in ISOM3 will be better, but the story will just be as bad.
We will see.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

I think your expectations are unrealistic.

Just look at the present; Iconic has added absolutely fantastic artists to their roster.

Not sure who you're talking about. Canete and Stoffels, maybe? For anything besides Lim's and Ernst's properties, Iconic is just Tim Lim's version of Rippasend and it doesn't even ship to Europe.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

Don't be a faggoty relativist.
If you had Frank Frazetta doing the pictures and Robert E. Howard writing the story, it would be a great product.
If you got EVS to do the story and EJ the art, it would suck.
This shows that there is an obvious hierarchy within art, and a good producer or agent could have read one of Robert E. Howard's first stories and told you he is good, or looked at one of Frazetta's early drawings and concluded the same.
Most people lack the ability to discern a good artist from a mediocre one, but it's wrong to assume that means no one can.
EJ needs someone who can recognize a great artist.

ART. IS. SUBJECTIVE.
I want my books to resemble a cross between early 2000's DC and modern manga. Others, like Dogman and they like Dogman so much, they don't care if he looks like a child drew him.
You call me a relativist, I call you that guy that analyzes the artistic merit of the banana duct taped to the wall.

I on the other hand think EJ needs better people.

And you would've pulled the plug on anything predating corporate comics. These rose colored glasses that view the past as some untouchable perfect utopia, spoiled by Youtubers and people born after 1990---it's not going to help going forward. If you insist Frazetta's style be the standard by which the visuals must meet, there won't be a comic book medium based in America. You think the books are late NOW? Wait until every single panel has to be hand painted.

but the story will just be as bad.

Writing isn't hard, but creating something worth reading is. I don't know if I made something people like, I obviously didn't make something they hate. Likewise, Eric didn't create anything terrible, it's entry level comic book writing by a guy that put out ISOM #1 and #2 before going to market with them, before getting market feedback on ISOM #1. I've talked about Writer's High and that's what I see in the DNA of the first 2 books. Yaira and Goodyng will be the measure of what things look like POST Chuck Dixon's influence on the Rippaverse. I don't think Chuck and Mike or the Soskas are a bad fit, it's a new universe that's growing pretty fast and it's made some mistakes that come with growing fast. Again, IMAGE fucked up a lot. (Still does in my opinion.)