Porn and Porncows

[ZMOT]

no big loss

heh

The same way exposure therapy or similar conscious behavioristic choices genuinely rewire your brain to be less eager in perceiving something as a given threat, I believe it is perfectly possible, plausible, and probable to similarly condition yourself into or out of a certain sexual attraction

that's the question of nature versus nurture, and the debate if people are born gay or not (plus how you really define it) would be a thread in itself.

 

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that's the question of nature versus nurture, and the debate if people are born gay or not (plus how you really define it) would be a thread in itself.

The way I see it, nature sets the road borders in stone and nurture is behind the steering wheel

By that I mean that nature just defines what's possible/impossible and nurture is mostly responsible for what possibility is in effect

 

[moocow]

that's the question of nature versus nurture, and the debate if people are born gay or not (plus how you really define it) would be a thread in itself.

Given how prevalent it is for gay men to report their first sexual encounter involved another man molesting or raping them in their youth, and how frequently the victim later claims it was enjoyable and fun, I'm not convinced anymore that it's a "nature" thing at all. There's every indication that homosexuality is caused (and is spread) by child sexual abuse by other homosexuals.

It really makes me wonder whether any of those "conversion therapy" places so demonized in the 90's were the "crosses & holy water" gimmicks people accused them of being, or if they were actually hitting close to home by trying to give genuine therapy to gay men by helping to figure out how to heal their traumas from childhood abuse.

 

[The Feline Solution]

This explains why she jumped to doing porn immediately.

2.5k per ToS breach sounds shady as fuck from PP, could've just closed her account or temporarily have frozen it for ToS violations instead of shaking her down like this. I didn't even know PP could fine their account holders like this.

 

[Random Internet Person]

2.5k per ToS breach sounds shady as fuck from PP, could've just closed her account or temporarily have frozen it for ToS violations instead of shaking her down like this. I didn't even know PP could fine their account holders like this.

What other services are there? Stripe? Square? They’d probably be just as quick to screw an undesirable over.

 

[The Feline Solution]

What other services are there? Stripe? Square? They’d probably be just as quick to screw an undesirable over.

I'd still prefer fruitlessly looking for another service than being 90k in the hole. The fees sound borderline criminal.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Sounds like bullshit to me. And anyone who just goes "hmm well i guess that's their right to do that" and then doesn't touch the case any more is a complete chump. She was raking in millions of dollars from her e-thottery - she could easily have found a lawyer to take Paypal to court.

There's no way you can simply steal a client's money without any proof or even letting them know what they did to deserve being "fined" like this.. They're not the police or the government, they are accountable and their actions need to be legal.

 

[Teghern]

Sounds like bullshit to me. And anyone who just goes "hmm well i guess that's their right to do that" and then doesn't touch the case any more is a complete chump. She was raking in millions of dollars from her e-thottery - she could easily have found a lawyer to take Paypal to court.

There's no way you can simply steal a client's money without any proof or even letting them know what they did to deserve being "fined" like this.. They're not the police or the government, they are accountable and their actions need to be legal.

It depends a lot on acceptable target status as in the case of dear sneeder the amount of shit you get without the perpetrators facing consequences is directly proportionate to your level of respectability in polite society as well as your capacity to retaliate, because the anarcho-tyranny inherent in the system of the current year is what determines who suffers not some words in a law book.

I agree though it could well be BS but it totally could have happened too which is the scary thing.

 

[Spud]

they are accountable and their actions need to be legal.

Wouldn't this just be cause of the already existing banking laws via Title 3 of Patriot act? It doesn't matter if the transaction is legal they can just say "lol, no" and stop it or just take the money, who is going to stop them and how would you go about it? I hope the guy who wrote the Fair Access to Financial services act is still alive.

 

[draggs]

why does she call herself Sasha Grey then, still?

Because she tried to go into mainstream acting with that name and failed and decided to keep it I guess. What a weird question

 

[The Ugly One]

Playboy was high class back in the '90s.

LOL no it wasn't. It was spank material, and everyone knew it, and nobody with any class admitted to subscribing to it. Guys who openly talked about Playmate of the Month were coomers, and typically the sort of guy with a mullet and a cloud of cigarette reek. Maybe some of the women who posed for it deluded themselves into thinking those photos weren't going to end up soggy and defiled.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Sounds like bullshit to me. And anyone who just goes "hmm well i guess that's their right to do that" and then doesn't touch the case any more is a complete chump

Yeah, this makes me sceptical, too. I know she isn't the brightest but checking in with a lawyer about this is a no-brainer.

 

[Random Internet Person]

LOL no it wasn't. It was spank material, and everyone knew it, and nobody with any class admitted to subscribing to it. Guys who openly talked about Playmate of the Month were coomers, and typically the sort of guy with a mullet and a cloud of cigarette reek. Maybe some of the women who posed for it deluded themselves into thinking those photos weren't going to end up soggy and defiled.

But were the articles ever worth a damn?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

But were the articles ever worth a damn?

James Caan

 

[Biker]

why does she call herself Sasha Grey then, still?

cause she was born Marina Ann Hantzis.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I believe there are people out there who through repeated massive porn exposure have had their sexuality change.

i believe it but its like how some people get permeant psychosis from weed. its a personal thing and anything could trigger their nuttiness, its why Chris-chan could go from a sterotypical redneck demanding a white, boy-friend free girlfriend and then become a trans goddess that doesn't hate blacks

I'll admit to probably being a bit too into porn for awhile there, but a big part of that is my love of troma and James Gunn and how much porn and their films seemed to intersect in terms of humor and production quality and sex scenes. and i never fell into the rabbit hole and honestly have stopped watched porn entirely. its like everything else in life, some people go on benders and others won't do drugs ever.

, but I really wanna know what PayPal's excuse for this Jewery is.

to be fair they've always been notorious dicks, but you'd only learn that if you were the sort of trash that would have learned this and because she wasn't a troll or drug addict she didn't learn how easily paypal will fuck people.

She looks totally normal. Because she got out of porn and never looked back

it helps that she always looked a lot older than she was. no way in hell would you say Sasha at 19 looked like a teenager, she looked like she had teenage kids. Plus i feel like she was always gunning for mainstream fame. she marketed herself very early on and really spent a lot less time in porn than people think. plus she did have that role as Vinny's girlfriend on entourage so technically is the most successful mainstreaming of a pornstar. the problem is that the stigma will always be there. and beyond that its extremely difficult to make it in hollywood even without that stigma tied to you. Having said both of those things, red shoe diaries was the closest thing to porn a lot of people who had HBO watched in the early 90s and David Duchovny was the biggest star ever for awhile. but people just forgot soft core existed.

i'm sure she's probably ashamed of her porn career, especially considering you can't talk about it on her twitch streams, its actually sort of funny because she's absurdly pious as a woman streaming on twitch. i bet plenty of people probably ask why such a bland woman has such a huge following.

how many emotionally stable and socially well adjusted people do you see trooning out?

exactly, its like psychiatric hospitals, maybe only 10% of the time do they deal with legit "rolled a 1 on genetics" crazy, and usually its a "from despair" style mental illness that could be cured by a change of environment or upbringing. People forget that in the 50s they openly blamed mental illness on bad parenting, especially of mothers. I highly doubt Chris-chan would have ended up as badly as he did if he was raised by a family of more socially normal people, every person i know who trooned out had parents that 100% would have said that walking around with a sign asking for a "boyfriend free girl" would be an amazing idea. everyone knows John Travolta's son Jet had severe autism but they rarely know that John Travolta grew up dressing up as his favorite cartoon characters and was still doing it while in high school. every guy i knew who dressed up like his favorite anime characters in high school was a sperg and you can guess how good the social skills are of their kids too.

I remember a documentary from a decade ago that said something like half of troons were diagnosed with a mental disability (usually autism) or vice versa but if academics could be that honest back then, i'm sure its even worse now. There's also a lot to be said about community policing too, there's plenty of whites that are fine saying they're ashamed of being white but you will almost never see people openly saying that in any other racial category. I'm sure trooning out might be a similar stigma.

would be a thread in itself.

how many identical twins have different sexual orientations, if its more than 1 boom! gay is not genetic. no need for endless discussions. this isn't a "is light a wave or not" type question but more of a "is there an exact speed of light?" question, since we can measure it we can get an answer rather fucking quickly. between adoption and identical twins we don't need huge discussions on anything

It really makes me wonder whether any of those "conversion therapy" places so demonized in the 90's were the "crosses & holy water" gimmicks people accused them of being, or if they were actually hitting close to home by trying to give genuine therapy to gay men by helping to figure out how to heal their traumas from childhood abuse.

i remember a youtuber mocking a gay conversion book and the jist of the plot of the book was all about molestation and parental trama causing faggotry. This was way back in 2011 so at minimum we know the answer is yes they were trying to help gays with their abuse and most people were so fucking brainwashed up until recently that they didn't realize how right certain groups were.

Sounds like bullshit to me. And anyone who just goes "hmm well i guess that's their right to do that" and then doesn't touch the case any more is a complete chump

Imagine being on kiwifarms and going "surely a random person could win in court against a website that unfairly discriminates against them"

James Caan

he's like the reverse Jason Biggs, a Jew so Italian looking it fucked over his career.

But were the articles ever worth a damn?

Fahrenheit 451 was commissioned by playboy and has been a common part of modern american high school english classes for decades now. You can tell it was commissioned by a porn mag because of the erotica memoritzed by the other survivors at the end of the book and how erotic the story really reads: the strapping fireman with a stupid fat bitch of a wife at home learns he has a hot teenage neighbor who wants to expose him to new ideas, it literally ends the first part like that, then the 2nd is about him trying to find out what happened after she vanished and the 3rd part is heavy on the action. Even as a MGTOW reading it in school i was shocked how blatantly misogynistic it was towards the women characters.

but again, if you went to high school in america in the 70s/80s/90s/0000s/2010s either you or one of your friends was probably assigned that book for reading.

 

[ZMOT]

LOL no it wasn't. It was spank material, and everyone knew it, and nobody with any class admitted to subscribing to it. Guys who openly talked about Playmate of the Month were coomers, and typically the sort of guy with a mullet and a cloud of cigarette reek. Maybe some of the women who posed for it deluded themselves into thinking those photos weren't going to end up soggy and defiled.

so was sports illustrated and your mom's lingerie catalogue, "back then" reading/having a playboy was lot more acceptable than say a penthouse or hustler.
playboy was considered erotica, less about spanking but beauty of the female form or whatever. sure, in the end it's all smut and the internet has made any distinction between hard- and softporn moot, but there is a difference and how it was perceived.

how many identical twins have different sexual orientations, if its more than 1 boom! gay is not genetic. no need for endless discussions. this isn't a "is light a wave or not" type question but more of a "is there an exact speed of light?" question, since we can measure it we can get an answer rather fucking quickly. between adoption and identical twins we don't need huge discussions on anything

eh, that's a statistical stretch, but my point was more this can lead to an endless debate more suited for deep thoughts, not an exchange of porn connoisseurs a thread about laughing at porn whores.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

that's a statistical stretch,

except its not. if its really genetic than its impossible for there to be one gay twin. same genetics both are "born this way" Having said that i think the think fucking people is these degenerate types who are mentally challenged. some insane balldo loving pervert might have called himself gay but would fuck animals if it was allowed. if you seperate those from "the gays" than you'd have a better summary. This isn't even an insane idea. its literally why gays went from Gay to LGBT, because even they didn't really want to be associated with the freaks.

having said that you aren't really seeing lesbians that much now with the rise of trans people, you're more likely to see a NB than a lesbo nowadays

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Given how prevalent it is for gay men to report their first sexual encounter involved another man molesting or raping them in their youth, and how frequently the victim later claims it was enjoyable and fun, I'm not convinced anymore that it's a "nature" thing at all. There's every indication that homosexuality is caused (and is spread) by child sexual abuse by other homosexuals.

It really makes me wonder whether any of those "conversion therapy" places so demonized in the 90's were the "crosses & holy water" gimmicks people accused them of being, or if they were actually hitting close to home by trying to give genuine therapy to gay men by helping to figure out how to heal their traumas from childhood abuse.

Have a gay friend. Seen him argue and swear up and down with people that they're just born that way.

Doesn't remember confessing to me while drunk that he was molested growing up

 

[Lurker Child]

Have a gay friend. Seen him argue and swear up and down with people that they're just born that way.

Doesn't remember confessing to me while drunk that he was molested growing up

Reminds me of how, today, I was reading about the film "Falling Down" and saw this in the director's wiki article:

Hell of a way to learn that someone's gay.