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[Stupor Mario]

Maybe at the very beginning it made a little amount of sense, but it absolutely stopped making any amount of sense a long time ago.

Now they are trying to apply this as some of loyalty test to CG with no practical purpose behind it. It's fucking gay. Plenty of non-woke comics have been successful on KS. I think what happened with Meyer back then was a fluke, and I always felt as such. I remember I pointing out several times that Iconic does fine on there, but Ethan just didn't care.

This is 100% about nothing else than maintaining power in the CG/indie comics community. You WILL obey your masters, Ethan and Malin. You WILL NOT disobey their decrees. If you get out of line, Ethans' gay-op whisper network secret police will attack you. Trashcast will broadcast your communist show trials. The online goon squads will cancel you.

If CG artists started acting like free-thinking individuals instead of herd animals, decided to make their own business decisions, started innovating and going with whatever made the most business sense, there is nothing EVS or Malin have to offer them in 2024. But threat tweets like this keep the cowards fearful and under the thumb of Boss Frogg.

 

[FluffyJackal]

If CG artists started acting like free-thinking individuals instead of herd animals, decided to make their own business decisions, started innovating and going with whatever made the most business sense, there is nothing EVS or Malin have to offer them in 2024. But threat tweets like this keep the cowards fearful and under the thumb of Boss Frogg.

Have any CG minnows recently benefitted from access to Ethan's paypigs enough to make their campaigns worthwhile?

 

[deskgum]

Have any CG minnows recently benefitted from access to Ethan's paypigs enough to make their campaigns worthwhile?

Well, Liam had a recent boost from a public EVS recommendation. I don't think they were huge numbers but it was huge on Liam's scale.

 

[Grunka Lunka]

https://twitter.com/SnuggyJr/status/1790217359258534329

 

[Grumpus]

Robert E. Howard

Dude created Swords and Sorcery, creating a legacy that would last forever. Committed suicide and would never get to see what he left. One of the few people who I would give the doctor who Van Gogh treatment too.

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wait so EVS went on his crusade against KS saying they banned him unfairly, going to various YouTubers for a platform. Only for it to be because he was constantly not delivering?

This fits perfectly with his character I'm not even the slightest surprised. He probably knew the reason why but he will lie to others so he can lie to himself.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

 

[The Coon]

I have always been critical of Rosa Malin on his idiotic KS bullshit. It's one of the main reasons that shows just how retarded he actually is(that and his overt racism "there just jokes guys hehe"). He screams to the rafters that he was kicked off of KS, when in reality, Zak was kicked and he was collateral damage because he was the artist. It wasn't "we have to remove that evil Zak and Mailin", it was " we have to remove that evil Zak." In the KS situation, Malin isn't Rosa. Malin is one of the black people sitting at the back of the bus when Rosa(Zak) gets kicked off. Malin joins the boycott of the buses(KS). But time went by and things changed, now everyone can sit where they want on the bus. To everyone else, "ok they have changed their evil ways, we can stop the boycott and ride the bus again" and even Rosa(Zak) who was the main target is riding the bus again. To Malin "fuck the bus, they kicked off someone that I was associated with that one time and even though everyone can sit wherever they want now, I'm not riding the bus and if you ride it, you are the enemy". No wonder Frog keeps this smooth brain around, if there was ever a falling out between him and Malin, Frog would yet again be in the situation of having a retarded enemy.

Meme edit:

 

[KissMyTaint]

I always thought the Kickstarter boycott was one the more nonsensical things CG ever did.

Pardon me, but what was the Kickstarter boycott? This is the first time I’m hearing about it.

EDIT: after reading more posts I think I have a clearer understanding but just to be sure what’s the current deal with CG and crowdfunding sites

 

[jspit2.0]

Maybe at the very beginning it made a little amount of sense, but it absolutely stopped making any amount of sense a long time ago.

It made zero sense. They WANTED broader market reach. They were pigeonholed into Indiegogo at first and then...well this is inside baseball from CG shit years ago.

First, let me state I get exhausted by the July Simpery on this board, like CG simps used irritate me. But before EVS completely consumed CG; they, including Richard were all about reach. And July has that. July IS in comic stores. He is selling to a broader audience.

Why keep campaigns on indiegogo?

Because Indiegogo lets EVS break the rules with impunity. He runs multiple crowdfunders, extending them forever, and then taking years to fulfill them. Worse, they allow subsequent campaigns before he fulfills his prior ones. This has enabled him to make money without actually doing the work, bouncing around. Does he EVENTUALLY....years later complete one project? Yes. But he moves at a snails pace BECAUSE he's allowed to abuse IGG platform.

One reason he can do this is that by FORCING all these small creators and their CG backers, he's creating a financial cudgel with the platform that enables him to have greater clout.

July is fulfilling the original goal of early CG creatives who wanted to be a market place presence.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

Pardon me, but what was the Kickstarter boycott? This is the first time I’m hearing about it.

EDIT: after reading more posts I think I have a clearer understanding but just to be sure what’s the current deal with CG and crowdfunding sites

In the days of high spergery, in the days of OG CG there was an idea---to make your own comics. It spread, at first like the beginning of Space Odyessy 2001. A group of monkeys dancing around a Jawbreakers cover. "Hoooo Hooo Haa Haaa Milkshake Girls bad! Hoo Hoo Haa Haa! 90s comics GOOD! Hoo Hoo Haa Haa!" and there was much elation among the monkeys that contributed to this tool. The tool with which they would smash their cumdumpster enemies.

But Richard C Meyer had an unfulfilled book, and called a bunch of feminists cumdumpsters so Kickstarter flicked their MIGHTY TOOL, and there was much anguish. TERROR! CONFUSION! BETRAYAL!

But then, on the horizon, a fee happy hot pink platform shouted to the seething monkeys---"YO! I DON'T CARE IF YOU EVER FULFILL! LEMME SCRAPE DAT DONO THO BRO!"

And all was well in the land...

 

[The Coon]

In other news, Leem is going to pay Yuka AGANE so he can get the Boy Island pages from her. He would show that he already payed her, but that would dox her and he is against that. He is going to pay her almost every cent he has which means he can't go see his friends in Brisbane now. Leem's wife is sitting beside him(at the beginning, she leans her head into the camera view and he pushes her head back out of it, ) and tells her not to cry a couple of times throughout the livestream. He apparently sent the money live on stream. Leem says Yuka helped saved his life, so it's the least he can do(?). He is adamant that he isn't paying any of the fees associated with the money transfer. Leem does cry himself. He did also make it clear to not go after or harass Yuka. The best part of the whole stream(it's only 14 mins and worth the watch) is when the transfer is done, he shows the redacted money transfer that he just did, not doxing Yuka. Which begs the question, why didn't he show the redacted screenshot of the original payment? Just like this screenshot, it wouldn't fully prove or disprove if he payed her already or not, but would earn him some plausible credibility.

It's fucking Leem, so who knows if Yuka is actually scamming him out of more money because she knows no one will believe him(hilarious if true) or if this is another instance of him Crying Leem. I believe he is crying Leem like always.

(It won't let me imbed the YouTube video)

https://www.youtube.com/live/fXOAtDzPOL0?si=3zL_aMwfq0D8gir5

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

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I've talked about this before, since TiC used to bring it up.
"You can't launch a new KS until you've fulfilled your last one" just isn't true, everyone that actually uses Kickstarter knows this (and I'm pretty sure people have pointed that out to Snuggy too, he's just being a retard).

Brian Pulido has multiple accounts for launching multiple campaigns in a short period of time. Neurobellum has multiple accounts and unfulfilled campaigns. BAD IDEA and BOOM just have multiple unfulfilled campaigns, not even using multiple accounts.
There is no reason EVS couldn't have multiple KS accounts for that purpose. "Ethan Van Sciver", "All Caps Comics", "All Caps Merch", "Matt Martin", etc.

This is the real reason EVS/Malin don't want people using Kickstarter:


Hundreds of live comic book projects that get refreshed every month.
It's hard to maintain the "there's awesome CG and there's lame stuff outside CG" narrative when people are in the Kickstarter ecosystem. How many of these 266 comics are from "blue-haired weirdos"? "They just don't make them like the 90s" when there's a Lady Death book every few months and an Avengelyne Omnibus is currently being crowdfunded. Big yikes.

I've seen EVS visibly recoil when Shane pulled up the KS explore page on a stream and say "Great, you're showing them books that they might want to buy'".

The plan was:

• Go to a small platform
• Corral small creators (that will follow your orders) there
• Become top dog in a booming site
• Use small creators as bargaining chips

The problem is IGG in 2024 is still a small and shitty site and (sadly for EVS) even they don't give a fuck about the negligible profits from CG. RIP bozo.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I've talked about this before, since TiC used to bring it up.
"You can't launch a new KS until you've fulfilled your last one" just isn't true, everyone that actually uses Kickstarter knows this (and I'm pretty sure people have pointed that out to Snuggy too, he's just being a retard).

Brian Pulido has multiple accounts for launching multiple campaigns in a short period of time. Neurobellum has multiple accounts and unfulfilled campaigns. BAD IDEA and BOOM just have multiple unfulfilled campaigns, not even using multiple accounts.
There is no reason EVS couldn't have multiple KS accounts for that purpose. "Ethan Van Sciver", "All Caps Comics", "All Caps Merch", "Matt Martin", etc.

This is the real reason EVS/Malin don't want people using Kickstarter:
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Hundreds of live comic book projects that get refreshed every month.
It's hard to maintain the "there's awesome CG and there's lame stuff outside CG" narrative when people are in the Kickstarter ecosystem. How many of these 266 comics are from "blue-haired weirdos"? "They just don't make them like the 90s" when there's a Lady Death book every few months and an Avengelyne Omnibus is currently being crowdfunded. Big yikes.

I've seen EVS visibly recoil when Shane pulled up the KS explore page on a stream and say "Great, you're showing them books that they might want to buy'".

The plan was:

• Go to a small platform
• Corral small creators (that will follow your orders) there
• Become top dog in a booming site
• Use small creators as bargaining chips

The problem is IGG in 2024 is still a small and shitty site and (sadly for EVS) even they don't give a fuck about the negligible profits from CG. RIP bozo.

I think Kickstarter would be much more receptive to customer complaints than IGG though and wouldn't tolerate him having half a dozen years-late campaigns. When EVS first put out CF1 and it blew up he would talk about how IGG personally thanked him for putting them on the map in the crowdfunded comics space as a peer competitor to Kickstarter and how they were giving him special privileges as "part of the team."

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

I think Kickstarter would be much more receptive to customer complaints than IGG though and wouldn't tolerate him having half a dozen years-late campaigns.

Sadly Kickstarter also gives zero fucks about scams, you learn this the hard way. They just point to "rewards aren't guaranteed" and wash their hands of it. The main pro for KS backers is that at least you can see who's behind the account.

Yeah, that was my point. EVS in Kickstarter is (or would have been in 2017) just some whale in the ocean, there's too many other offerings.

 

[Captain Manning]

Have any CG minnows recently benefitted from access to Ethan's paypigs enough to make their campaigns worthwhile?

He boosted Vito up to $119k from the $80k range recently.

He's still very much got the promotional chops he's been long known for. It's just that he's using it for people like Leem and Vito now. Lol.

Incidentally, Rekieta also made about $500 in superchats the night he had Ethan on. That doesn't sound like much, but Rekieta is so far in the toilet that's actually a quarter of the paid chat revenue he pulled in for the month of April. Usually he only only pulls in 2 figures per night these days.

Ethan is getting bodied by July, and he's probably not doing as well as he once was, but I think he's gonna be able to keep going for a good long while yet because of all his stupid braindead paypigs that are convinced he's saving western civilization or some shit.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

[LINK]

Meanwhile, back at bitching about Kickstarter because everyone forgot/didn't give a flying rat's ass about C2E2:

[LINK]

The fat slut then went on to be corrected by JDA:

[LINK]

Like the SJW fuckwad he is, the slob goblin doubles down:

[LINK]

Only to be rebuked by his own ilk:

[LINK]

Something something cancel culture, right?

[Warning: Loud]

 

[ExGater]

Why keep campaigns on indiegogo?

The reason @FROG and #CANCELPIGMALIN forbade CG creators from having campaigns on Kickstarter or other platforms (they are also strongly against Zoop) is because Ethan, Malin and Mandy were planning on creating their OWN comics crowdfunding site. The plan was to set up CGfunds (or whatever they were going to call it) , you would put your book on there and they would promote the hell out of it because THEY were financially invested in your campaign being a success.

We were supposed to just sit and wait for them to make this happen. In the meantime we had to use Indiegogo exclusively because @CANCELPIG Jon Malin had been cancelled by KS, even though IGG actively shadowbans our campaigns. Most people knew there was no way @FROG and his posse were going to make their site happen, but if we stepped outside of their parameters vengeance via ghey ops would be swift and thorough. I know someone who experienced this firsthand.

In the meantime, FundMyComic.com became a reality. Never heard of it? It may be because EVS and the others are just ignoring it and hoping it will go away. The fact that it is a modest success has got to have them PISSED.

 

[jspit2.0]

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Man. That finally is out?

Meanwhile, back at bitching about Kickstarter because everyone forgot/didn't give a flying rat's ass about C2E2:
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[LINK]

The fat slut then went on to be corrected by JDA:
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[LINK]

Annnnnddd that's why he's banned. Shameless JDA isn't a really person but a collection of fake grifter conservative memes.

Like the SJW fuckwad he is, the slob goblin doubles down:
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[LINK]

Only to be rebuked by his own ilk:
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[LINK]

Something something cancel culture, right?

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[Warning: Loud]

To be fair, can anyone keep up with professional victim JDA's alleged cancellations at this point?

 

[Captain Manning]

Oh, this should be fun.

Yes, please do.


I was not disappointed.

(That's the entirety of the comments thus far, BTW).

[Archive]

 

[Olórin of Hype]

THEY were financially invested in your campaign being a success.

This must've been the plan B to the Dynamite + CG merger that was foiled by Cecil's mashup cover.