Hospitals Are Refusing to Do Surgeries Unless You Pay in Full First - Advance billing helps the facilities avoid chasing patients to pay after their procedures

By Melanie Evans
May 9, 2024 5:30 am ET

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Heather Miconi has seven weeks to come up with $2,000 to pay for surgery her daughter needs to breathe more easily.

Merritt Island Surgery Center in Merritt Island, Fla., billed Miconi in advance of the adenoid and tonsil surgery. If she can’t pay for the surgery before it is scheduled to take place next month, the procedure will be put off.

Miconi, whose insurance won’t cover the cost because she has a high deductible, works three jobs and doesn’t have savings to cover the cost. She is now appealing to strangers through a GoFundMe campaign for help.
For years, hospitals and surgery centers waited to perform procedures before sending bills to patients. That often left them chasing after patients for payment, repeatedly sending invoices and enlisting debt collectors.

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Heather Miconi and daughter Trista Churchwell. PHOTO: HEATHER MICONI

Now, more hospitals and surgery centers are demanding patients pay in advance.

Advance billing helps the facilities avoid hounding patients to settle up. Yet it is distressing patients who must come up with thousands of dollars while struggling with serious conditions.

Those who can’t come up with the sums have been forced to put off procedures. Some who paid up discovered later they were overcharged, then had to fight for refunds.

Among the procedures that hospitals and surgery centers are seeking prepayments for are knee replacements, CT scans and births.

Merritt Island first provided Miconi an estimate for $3,000 for treatment for her daughter, Trista Churchwell. It then lowered the estimate to $2,000 because she had already paid down some of her deductible.

When she got the first estimate, Miconi figured “there’s no way” she would be able to afford the procedure. Miconi, who lives with her daughter in Merritt Island, processes medical records, delivers food on weekends and helps cater meals to make a living.

“I can’t even provide for my daughter to get surgery for her to be able to breathe,” she recalled feeling.

The surgery would improve her daughter’s breathing by reducing obstructions such as adenoids, tonsils and bony nose structures called turbinates.

Merritt Island Surgery Center is jointly owned by physicians and SCA Health, a subsidiary of UnitedHealth’s health-services arm Optum. “Before providing care, Merritt Island Surgery Center engages each of our patients individually to ensure they understand their potential out-of-pocket costs and are aware of available no-cost financing options,” the center said.

Federal law requires hospitals to take care of people in an emergency. Hospitals say they don’t turn away patients who need medical care urgently for lack of prepayment.

Some 23% of what patients owe is collected by hospitals before treatment, according to an analysis of first-quarter data this year from 1,850 hospitals by Kodiak Solutions, a healthcare consulting and software company. For the same period in 2022, the figure was 20%.

They are seeking advance payment for nonemergencies, they say, because chasing unpaid bills is challenging and costly. Roughly half the debt hospitals wrote off last year was owed by patients with insurance, the Kodiak analysis found.

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Heather Miconi’s daughter takes several medicines for asthma and obstructed breathing. PHOTO: HEATHER MICONI

“We need those patients who are able to pay to do so,” said Leslie Taylor, a spokeswoman for University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, which owns one general hospital in Arkansas and will—after discussing with doctors—reschedule some procedures until patients can pay.

For patients, the hospitals say, knowing the cost ahead of service gives them the opportunity to comparison-shop and avoid getting walloped with a huge bill unexpectedly.

Patients often want to know in advance what their medical care will cost. Congress and regulators in recent years have ordered hospitals to be more transparent on prices, which vary widely, and limit surprise billing.

HOW TO TALK ABOUT THE BILL​

Medical bills are often large and unexpected. Hospitals and doctors might ask for money before your appointment. Before you pay:
  • Don’t assume because they ask for money that you’re required to pay immediately. Hospitals might not initially offer an option to pay later. Ask about your options.
  • If you can’t afford the amount, let them know. Ask about no-interest payment plans, discounts and financial aid.
  • Financial-aid programs, also known as charity care, can be complicated, but there are resources, such as the nonprofit Dollar For, to help with applications.

Still, finding money for treatment is a challenge for many American households. Half of adults say they can’t afford to spend more than $500 on medical care should they be suddenly sick or injured, a survey by health policy nonprofit KFF found. They would need to borrow.

In addition, determining how much a patient will owe can be tricky. How much each patient pays depends on their health plan, its deductible or other out-of-pocket costs and the prices the plan negotiated with a hospital to pay.

Blake Young was overcharged roughly $2,500 by CHI Memorial Hospital in Chattanooga, Tenn., ahead of a heart screening late last November.

The hospital initially said he owed about $3,600 and asked for payment. He paid upfront, using funds stocked away in his health-savings account. When he arrived for the testing, the hospital gave him a new bill, saying he owed less.

Young, 59 years old, an industrial-machinery salesman who lives in Chattanooga, said he didn’t get a refund check that the hospital said it mailed in late December. The next month, Young filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

In February, CHI Memorial agreed to reissue the check. In April, the hospital wrote in a letter to Young that it had failed to reissue the check because of a communication error. The hospital also apologized to Young for the delay.

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Blake Young of Chattanooga, Tenn., paid upfront for a heart screening. PHOTO: BLAKE YOUNG

“CHI Memorial is committed to helping patients understand and afford the cost of their health care,” a spokeswoman said. The hospital overbilled Young because of an administrative error and issued a refund, she said.

CHI Memorial, which is owned by one of the nation’s largest Catholic health systems, CommonSpirit Health, will go ahead with procedures without advance payment, a spokeswoman said.

Young got the hospital’s $2,546 refund check Tuesday. He wanted the money back for future medical bills. “It’s not unlimited funds,” he said. “They do run out.”

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Outpatient surgery centers are cash grabs by private equity. They take the most profitable procedures and leave hospitals to provide the less-profitable services.

Seniors having no retirement savings is a really big deal. Most won't have supplements, Medicare doesn't allow upfront billing, and the patient balance is 20%. There's zero chance on collecting that debt.

I feel very badly for indigent seniors in for profit care homes. When the bankruptcies start IDK what's going to happen to them.
 
It's meant to rob blind hardworking legal citizens making more than a welfare client and less than a millionaire. They know people like that still have a sense of honor and duty. They are shamelessly using that to rob and exploit you. You should be more angry at them than you are at some single mother whose kid needs her tonsils out, for the love of God.
If anyone can't tell this is an obvious scam to overcharge people up front knowing that many/most of them won't have the resources to claw it back later, I honestly don't know what to say.
 
is that the USA subsidizes medical research and development for the entire world. while other parts of the world contribute to medical science, it really is led by the US. before covid the FDA was seen as the gold standard for the entire world except Japan. this has the side effect of americans getting the newest, best medicine right when it comes out. it also has the side effect of things costing more in the US because you're getting the newest, most experimental treatments
If COVID taught us anything, it's that the US doesn't even make its own antibiotics or basic drugs anymore. China and India do, because they're dirt cheap to make. The US, holding the patents, makes the most profit. An understandable capital endeavor until you have your Pfizers and Monsanto (now Bayer) controlling what untested drugs you get. Yes, the US had the best R&D around - until it offshored most manufacturers and unironically doesn't support a free market/open healthcare system.

People still complain over the FDA's red tape. We saw what they did during COVID, too.
Makes me spitting mad. These people are not the friend of the hard working common man. If you give them your last dollar, they will turn around and use it to wipe the nose of some nepo baby and laugh at you as they walk away.
This woman worked three jobs. Yes, her daughter's fat. Yes, her hair is bad. But she's not unlike most Americans who cannot afford a medical emergency. $2000 might sound pretty easy unless you're living paycheck to paycheck. Then it can easily become a nightmare.

"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps" needs to die.
 
I've gone to school with quite a few of my doctors, and should I need surgery that will make negotiating a price easier I think. My last hospital bill got knocked down by a huge amount simply because I talked to the finance people instead of ghosting on them and waiting for bills to start coming in.

I hear tell even today if you offer to pay cash, some medical providers will let you pay the non-insurance company inflated actual cost of a procedure.

Very much true, in my experience. I even get house calls if I need them.
 
This woman worked three jobs. Yes, her daughter's fat. Yes, her hair is bad. But she's not unlike most Americans who cannot afford a medical emergency. $2000 might sound pretty easy unless you're living paycheck to paycheck. Then it can easily become a nightmare.

"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps" needs to die
lol just make more money, bro!

Not really sure what makes this different than a journalist telling some coal miner to learn to code. Everyone is convinced they got shit figured out until something happens that they didn’t plan for and an unplanned medical issue is a common one. But they’re the star in their own show and they’re not supposed to experience something unplanned.
 
They could probably get a personal loan for twice that much, no questions asked.

Unless of course she's a dumb bitch who bought cosmetics and groceries with credit cards and has such shit credit even the loan sharks ain't giving her money. Hell, for 2k, if she had decent credit she could probably have gotten that with a 300 dollar origination fee at 0% interest for 36 months. I have a feeling there are multiple reasons why this procedure can't be paid for, and virtually all them are due to her decisions and not society.
We don't know what her financial situation is really like, but it obviously is not atypical as most working-class Americans have to work two or more jobs just to make ends meet. What happened to her credit? We don't know. The fact of the matter is that even white trash trailer park living Americans dying of toxic gas because the coal mine is the only place for a job still go through the same issues: that being the hospitals fleece them on their procedures and are not upfront on prices. She can be an absolute retard but the fact remains this IS an issue for the working class, whose position has all been eradicated.
Works three jobs and can barely make ends meet despite obviously being in her 40s. So, she has the marketable skills of a teenager and can only get entry-level trash jobs designed for people entering the job market for the very first time in their lives... in her 40s
And? Plenty of working class Americans are like her, where they have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet and dread a medical emergency that will put them in the red. Her asking help from Catholic Charities is only a cut above a GoFundMe - in the end, she's relying on charity for a medical procedure her daughter needs. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, which most Americans are, a sudden $2000 co-pay would absolutely put you in the red.

The median household income in Merritt Island, FL in 2022 was $86,795, which was 20.2% greater than the median annual income of $69,303 across the entire state of Florida. Compared to the median income of $43,532 in 2000 this represents an increase of 49.8%. The per capita income in 2022 was $50,966, which means an increase of 53.0% compared to 2000 when it was $23,961.
Read more: https://www.city-data.com/income/income-Merritt-Island-Florida.html
Since she's a single mom, that would put her slightly above the per capita income of $37k. We don't know her exact financial situation or why she is working three jobs, but working more than one job is common in the US just to make ends meet. Her primary job is processing medical records, which means an average income of around $47k, give or take. Again, the article doesn't say what she did or what happened to put her in these financial straits, but it happened, and it has happened and will happen to more than one person.
 
tons. unimaginable amounts



illegals abuse ER services and because they're untraceable the debt goes to the community and the federal government, aka productive citizens of the US. it's the same with car insurance. illegals don't have insurance (because they're not allowed to (because they're not supposed to be here)) and when there's an accident the one sucker who actually plays by the rules gets stuck with the bill for everyone involved
The longer I live, the more I realize that people who "play by the rules" are suckers in general.
 
The longer I live, the more I realize that people who "play by the rules" are suckers in general.
Right. Like picture this:

Goodboy yeehaw redmeat American is in an accident that is not his fault in any way. After his good, dutifully purchased redblooded employer insurance plan has paid what it is going to pay, the hospital still says he owes $30k. They won't negotiate with him like they would with his insurer (who could easily get away with paying $10k for the same) or the feds (who might offer them as much as $6k.) No matter how much he pleads, they stand firm. So, fearing the ruination of his FICO score, which he values like a 14 year old evangelical girl values the purity ring her daddy gave her, he drains his retirement, emergency savings, and a few thousand donated by friends, church, community orgs.

He now has nothing. They happily deposit the money and go about their way.

A few years later, struggling under the strain of living paycheck to paycheck, and now no longer able to swing the good insurance at work because he lost that job during his recovery from the accident and has to work whatever he could get, he has a heart attack.

Will the hospital remember what a good boy he was, and give him a discount?

Will the hospital remember what a decent, hardworking man he was, and be more understanding with the bill for this, knowing his savings are gone?

Is he gonna get a fast pass into the pearly gates because St. Peter has such respect for how he obediently sucks corporate dick?

No.

No one gives a shit. No one will rescue him.

He would have been better off telling them to kiss his ass, paying 1 cent on the dollar to a collector, if that (they often don't show up in court), taking the FICO hit for maybe 2 years max, and letting them find a way to magic that money out of Janet Yellen's butthole like they always do.
 
Right. Like picture this:

Goodboy yeehaw redmeat American is in an accident that is not his fault in any way. After his good, dutifully purchased redblooded employer insurance plan has paid what it is going to pay, the hospital still says he owes $30k. They won't negotiate with him like they would with his insurer (who could easily get away with paying $10k for the same) or the feds (who might offer them as much as $6k.) No matter how much he pleads, they stand firm. So, fearing the ruination of his FICO score, which he values like a 14 year old evangelical girl values the purity ring her daddy gave her, he drains his retirement, emergency savings, and a few thousand donated by friends, church, community orgs.

He now has nothing. They happily deposit the money and go about their way.

A few years later, struggling under the strain of living paycheck to paycheck, and now no longer able to swing the good insurance at work because he lost that job during his recovery from the accident and has to work whatever he could get, he has a heart attack.

Will the hospital remember what a good boy he was, and give him a discount?

Will the hospital remember what a decent, hardworking man he was, and be more understanding with the bill for this, knowing his savings are gone?

Is he gonna get a fast pass into the pearly gates because St. Peter has such respect for how he obediently sucks corporate dick?

No.

No one gives a shit. No one will rescue him.

He would have been better off telling them to kiss his ass, paying 1 cent on the dollar to a collector, if that (they often don't show up in court), taking the FICO hit for maybe 2 years max, and letting them find a way to magic that money out of Janet Yellen's butthole like they always do.
There's a lot I have to say about this but I have family who ended up in a similar situation and insurance tried to get out of paying a single red cent. Thankfully they didn't succeed but it's not so much out of a "they are evil and evil never wins" viewpoint one might get from Saturday Morning cartoon and live action shows, but because they grossly miscalculated how much a breach of contract would cost them in the long run.
 
Right. Like picture this:

Goodboy yeehaw redmeat American is in an accident that is not his fault in any way. After his good, dutifully purchased redblooded employer insurance plan has paid what it is going to pay, the hospital still says he owes $30k. They won't negotiate with him like they would with his insurer (who could easily get away with paying $10k for the same) or the feds (who might offer them as much as $6k.) No matter how much he pleads, they stand firm. So, fearing the ruination of his FICO score, which he values like a 14 year old evangelical girl values the purity ring her daddy gave her, he drains his retirement, emergency savings, and a few thousand donated by friends, church, community orgs.

He now has nothing. They happily deposit the money and go about their way.

A few years later, struggling under the strain of living paycheck to paycheck, and now no longer able to swing the good insurance at work because he lost that job during his recovery from the accident and has to work whatever he could get, he has a heart attack.

Will the hospital remember what a good boy he was, and give him a discount?

Will the hospital remember what a decent, hardworking man he was, and be more understanding with the bill for this, knowing his savings are gone?

Is he gonna get a fast pass into the pearly gates because St. Peter has such respect for how he obediently sucks corporate dick?

No.

No one gives a shit. No one will rescue him.

He would have been better off telling them to kiss his ass, paying 1 cent on the dollar to a collector, if that (they often don't show up in court), taking the FICO hit for maybe 2 years max, and letting them find a way to magic that money out of Janet Yellen's butthole like they always do.
Exactly.

Fuck the hospital and insurance corporations.

You pay your money and pay your share and they should take care of YOU.

People should be on the hook for the Federal amount and that's IT

I will say that morbidly obese fatties should be charged more for being GIGANTIC resource sinks as should illegal aliens.
 
As a counterpoint to this I give you Atlanta Medical Center. A Level 1 Trauma center that was shuttered last year with under 60 days notice, because their rate of patients not paying was in the high 90's. Even in the age of Obama care. Which actually made things much much worse. Pre Obama care people like this mother who had insurance had plans that did not force high deductibles on everybody. All the blue color union guys had minimal deductible Cadillac plans. They had to pay $100 copay for a hospital visit or stay. Reachable easily for most. So while Hospitals lost money on the uninsured they at least had a higher portion of insured people for which the procedures were being paid for in full. With the high deductibles those people either went away, or blow off the $2000-5000 deductibles. Sending the hospitals rocketing into bankruptcy.
 
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The solution is to gas the sick and shoot the poor.
 
Right. Like picture this:

Goodboy yeehaw redmeat American is in an accident that is not his fault in any way. After his good, dutifully purchased redblooded employer insurance plan has paid what it is going to pay, the hospital still says he owes $30k. They won't negotiate with him like they would with his insurer (who could easily get away with paying $10k for the same) or the feds (who might offer them as much as $6k.) No matter how much he pleads, they stand firm. So, fearing the ruination of his FICO score, which he values like a 14 year old evangelical girl values the purity ring her daddy gave her, he drains his retirement, emergency savings, and a few thousand donated by friends, church, community orgs.

He now has nothing. They happily deposit the money and go about their way.

A few years later, struggling under the strain of living paycheck to paycheck, and now no longer able to swing the good insurance at work because he lost that job during his recovery from the accident and has to work whatever he could get, he has a heart attack.

Will the hospital remember what a good boy he was, and give him a discount?

Will the hospital remember what a decent, hardworking man he was, and be more understanding with the bill for this, knowing his savings are gone?

Is he gonna get a fast pass into the pearly gates because St. Peter has such respect for how he obediently sucks corporate dick?

No.

No one gives a shit. No one will rescue him.

He would have been better off telling them to kiss his ass, paying 1 cent on the dollar to a collector, if that (they often don't show up in court), taking the FICO hit for maybe 2 years max, and letting them find a way to magic that money out of Janet Yellen's butthole like they always do.

I thought medical debt cant even affect your credit score anymore.
 
I will say that morbidly obese fatties should be charged more for being GIGANTIC resource sinks as should illegal aliens.
At the very least you should be able to opt out of insurance pools containing fatties, smokers, drug addicts of all types, etc. and have a Good Boy Club where you share risks with the pool and aren't being charged excessive amounts to pay for fatties to die gracelessly on your dime. And needless to say, opt out of pools including severely mentally ill people getting pointless, experimental cock chops and other such optional nonsense.
 
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If the debt collector chooses to report it, yes it can.
I mean fuck debt collectors but it is relevant to the issue of whether you can pay back, since it's the single largest cause of bankruptcy. I'm not saying that's a good thing, in fact it's broken as fuck, but it's certainly something someone extending credit would want to know, and if they couldn't take it into consideration at all, everyone would end up paying higher interest as a result.

At least we haven't entered the terminal stage of Clown World where they'll make medical debt not even dischargeable in bankruptcy and start charging you kidneys and shit up front for medical care.
 
I had a surgery last fall, and they wanted me to pay in full. I told them no, I'm putting X amount down, and they could bill me for the rest. It wasn't an issue. I did however, have an issue with one aspect of the bills. Imaging service sent my bill to an old address, total fuck up on their part. I was sent to collections, but it was never reported to the credit agencies. One thing you do have to keep an eye on is making sure you receive your bills. Hospital never sent me a bill either, I had to take the initiative to make sure it was paid.
 
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