Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[ephermeral]

Good job missing the point completely.

Then explain it to me? You said it’s good for making porn to be “risky and dangerous” lest women become whores. You then brought up OnlyFans? Again, pornography has been around forever and isn’t going anywhere. Criminalizing it won’t change that and women who make it will have even less protection or a say in what they will and won’t do, and could also lead to those awful things I mentioned: raping, beating, trafficking. Maybe you think thats the price of eradicating porn and is well worth it, and in that case we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[doodoocaca]

Then explain it to me? You said it’s good for making porn to be “risky and dangerous” lest women become whores. You then brought up OnlyFans? Again, pornography has been around forever and isn’t going anywhere. Criminalizing it won’t change that and women who make it will have even less protection or a say in what they will and won’t do, and could also lead to those awful things I mentioned: raping, beating, trafficking. Maybe you think thats the price of eradicating porn and is well worth it, and in that case we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I think he means people who would do OF but not actually turn tricks IRL would just stop if OF went away and continue not turning tricks.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Good. If something is really risky and dangerous, fewer people will do it. Look at how OnlyFans making prostitution easy and physically safe has resulted in an explosion of girls becoming whores.

Then explain it to me? You said it’s good for making porn to be “risky and dangerous” lest women become whores. You then brought up OnlyFans? Again, pornography has been around forever and isn’t going anywhere. Criminalizing it won’t change that and women who make it will have even less protection or a say in what they will and won’t do, and could also lead to those awful things I mentioned: raping, beating, trafficking. Maybe you think thats the price of eradicating porn and is well worth it, and in that case we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Every time the anti-porn ppl appear, I assume they're porn sick or reactionaries. The actual industry itself is a literal fucking mess as is. You have women, and I assume men bottoming, mid-scenes being pressured into harder stuff. Producers literally will stop the scene, walk in with a pen and paper, and pressure them to do crazier shit for extra money. The paper is only there to cover the company's ass upon first glance. Jesus Christ, let's not ignore the fact that underage/trafficked/rape/revenge porn victims are appearing on pornhub and only fans. The only way to get that content off is to literally fake a cease and desist. These people need to understand that pushing the industry underground isn't going to fix shit. Your random whore on only fans that post titty pics for spending money was never at risk. Those underground producers will fill that demand with unwilling participants and people who legally cannot consent. No one fucking wins, but the producers and fat nasty fuckers beat their meat to home invasion and gangbangs porn.
Just say you want a virgin to stick your dick in and treat like shit because no other woman or man would touch you with a ten foot pole.

 

[Baraadmirer]

The club ended up being basically shut down when another of the freaks put on a zombie anime that was full of massive bouncing tits and swollen vulva panty-shots, and the teacher in charge of supervising walked in the room during a barely-censored bath scene.

This has to be High School of the Dead, right?

 

[doodoocaca]

Every time the anti-porn ppl appear, I assume they're porn sick or reactionaries. The actual industry itself is a literal fucking mess as is.

So what's the 'right' way to oppose it then?

 

[FinnSven]

So what's the 'right' way to oppose it then?

Push for regulation and making porn makers have to come up to government approved standards, participants having to undergo stringent checks, some kind of union solely focused on the well being of the actors.

Basically everything that sleazy men would be strongly against because it would mean that they are accountable and expected to extend dignity.

Things like only fans, again I suppose a regulation and post approval process, policed by an external regulator.

These changes wouldn’t be popular, but similar things have worked in Austria with the prostitution regulation.
Austria isn’t now a stag destination or anything but it doesn’t have problems with drug abuse and trafficking in its sex industry to the same extent as neighboring countries. Probably even less than Holland, interestingly enough.

 

[The Ugly One]

Every time the anti-porn ppl appear, I assume they're porn sick or reactionaries. The actual industry itself is a literal fucking mess as is. You have women, and I assume men bottoming, mid-scenes being pressured into harder stuff. Producers literally will stop the scene, walk in with a pen and paper, and pressure them to do crazier shit for extra money.

Kind of crazy how in 2024, being a "reactionary" just means you don't industrial-scale commodification of a woman's anus should be legal.

These people need to understand that pushing the industry underground isn't going to fix shit.

Yes, it does, because chasing industries underground significantly restricts the scale at which they can operate. It reduces the numbers of people who can participate in them. It reduces the chance of a relatively normal person getting caught up in them. It's pure supply and demand. Contraband things cost a lot, not just monetarily, but also due to risk of fines, prison time and the like, which drives down their use.

Just say you want a virgin to stick your dick in and treat like shit because no other woman or man would touch you with a ten foot pole.

Ah, the classic "lol peepee smol" argument. You must be a woman.

 

[FinnSven]

Kind of crazy how in 2024, being a "reactionary" just means you don't industrial-scale commodification of a woman's anus should be legal.

That turn of phrase conjures up all sorts of horribly dehumanizing and filthy images.

The “cleanest” I suppose is a conveyor belt of men taking turns.

Or maybe the most “safe for work” is fertilizer production.

 

[doodoocaca]

Harm reduction is step 1, maybe step 0. Then you get your shit together and try to solve the actual fucking problem instead of planning for failure.

Things like only fans, again I suppose a regulation and post approval process, policed by an external regulator.

OF does less harm to a person than being personally, literally fucked over by producers and other performers, there's much less risk of STD and such, but you're still emotionally fucked up and your likeness is out there forever.

 

[FinnSven]

Harm reduction is step 1, maybe step 0. Then you get your shit together and try to solve the actual fucking problem instead of planning for failure.



OF does less harm to a person than being personally, literally fucked over by producers and other performers, there's much less risk of STD and such, but you're still emotionally fucked up and your likeness is out there forever.

I don’t disagree.

My point is that should porn producers start exploiting their “employees” outside of a now heavily regulated porn industry, Only Fans would be an obvious target for doing so.

 

[The Ugly One]

Sex trafficking is filthy work. Your fantasy that whores in Austria don't do coke is something, but aside from that, the problem with prostitution isn't that the women involved all do drugs, or are all rape victims, or are all exploited - as OnlyFans shows, plenty of women want to monetize their sexuality and do it freely when given the opportunity. The problem with prostitution is all women who participate it in it are whores, and all men who solicit their services are johns. We shouldn't legitimize the idea that it's okay for a woman to use her vagina as an ATM, or that it's okay for a man to pay a woman for sex. You push things to the margins of society that you don't want as part of your society, so you minimize participation in it.

Like, back on topic, trannies. Back when trannies were marginalized, no suburban woman would have dared do to her son what Jazz Jenning's mom did to him. You had far, far, far fewer people overall trooning out. If you did troon out, your life was basically over, and you were going to go live in the red light district until you died of STDs or an overdose or suicide. I think this was overall good for society, same as I think pushing prostitution into the underground is. Keep it in the ghettos and dark corners of the internet, not sold via a quirky smartphone app.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

I agree that sex work/prostitution is largely a net negative for society (particularly women, though a ton of men/gay men do sex work and everyone just ignores it for different reasons). And the idea that "sex work = work" is clearly false. You see the same women freaking out about your co-worker asking you out at the office saying "sex work is work" ( :hmm: )

But you see a lot of trade offs with things like the Internet making sex work more accessible to middle class+ women. Like the Internet makes things safer by allowing online screening of clients and moving things more indoors vs on street corners. But again, many more women are now doing it *because* it’s safer and more accessible.

I'm familiar with criticism of the Nordic Model (which rad fems support), mainly that it makes things less safe for sex workers. (like the penalties for buying make non-criminal men less likely to buy forcing the women to have to potentially accept more dangerous clients or to not use condoms to make up for income loss...) I remember rad fems cheered when Backpages was ordered offline, but all it did (afaik) was make more sex workers work in riskier situations on the street.

For legalization, yes, I’ve read all of the horror stories about things like women working in the German brothels and having to do gangbangs for 40 euros or whatever. Though I question why it’s viewed differently than other forms of exploitative labor that aren’t compensated fairly…

All of the sex workers I’ve known (and the main activist gorups) seem to support decriminalization. Though rad fems insist this increases sex trafficking. Meanwhile the sex worker activists, scholars insist that sex trafficking is a hugely exaggerated and misunderstood phenomenon, which I believe there is evidence for, but that’s another can of worms.

I personally don't know what the answer is, all options seem to have trade offs. I think ultimately you’re going to need an economic system where people aren’t forced to sell sex to survive but yeah in this reality I don’t really know.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I'd like to contribue the glorification of porn and prostitution and overhorniess of the coomer trooners has put a lot of naked selfies of trans people online which hurts the detrans ones in the long run, and exposes them to the dangers prostitutes face and increase the kill count of trans.

 

[FinnSven]

Your fantasy that whores in Austria don't do coke is something, but aside from that, the problem with prostitution isn't that the women involved all do drugs, or are all rape victims, or are all exploited - as OnlyFans shows, plenty of women want to monetize their sexuality and do it freely when given the opportunity. The problem with prostitution is all women who participate it in it are whores, and all men who solicit their services are johns. We shouldn't legitimize the idea that it's okay for a woman to use her vagina as an ATM, or that it's okay for a man to pay a woman for sex

Not sure where you got that it’s a fantasy?

The point was that many victims of human trafficking and people forced into prostitution are deliberately hooked on drugs by pimps and other criminals to exploit and control them.
Not that I think that Austrian madams are Cabaret style tarts with hearts who provide a fun service.

Austrian hookers probably do snort a fair amount of coke and whatnot, but digression aside, the other point in relation to your objection to it in general is that having it legal and regulated means less potential for exploitation of prostitutes by criminals.

There isn’t a perfect solution, but this is one approach to harm reduction.

 

[doodoocaca]

a ton of men/gay men do sex work and everyone just ignores it for different reasons

The pass and expectation that gay men be hedonistic faggots is frustrating and confusing. I think it stems from the basis of their 'identity' being sexual and because It Is Good To Support Teh Gays™ they support gayness which is apparently hypersexuality.

Sex trafficking is filthy work.

Sex Trafficking is a crime against humanity, in terms of kidnapping people, moving them about, and getting them hooked on drugs and putting them in places where they do not know the language and cannot escape. Do you mean "making porn" by sex trafficking?

 

[The Ugly One]

Women who make porn are whores. If you want to argue that not all prostitution counts as trafficking, fine, still filthy work.

 

[doodoocaca]

Women who make porn are whores. If you want to argue that not all prostitution counts as trafficking, fine, still filthy work.

The drug pushers, manipulators, and kidnappers need to be treated differently and much more severely than some random e-thot, imo. Both are problems, but it's matter of magnitude.

 

[Manat]

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Funny that you will bring up Made in Abyss, because I JUST watched it a couple of weeks ago after much procrastination!

I kinda ignored what was in front of my eyes during the first season, the small clips, like the little girl in bondage getting canned and the stick in the robot boy butthole detail, I even followed Tsukushi on Xitter! And then I watched season two.

On the surface it looks very innocent and even childish, but I heared that the manga is even worse with more fetish and child lewdness. No one will suspect something looking like this for what it actually contains. From the obvious monster toilet that licks a 12 years old girl clean, to its constant womb, phallus and vagina imagery.


There is a whole side character that is just penis and balls, complete with one small penis hand.

Spoiler: NSFW, maybe

I was surprised when I found that there is no big controversy around it, the biggest coming from some kpop girls cancelling their idols for mentioning it or smth. There is no big discussion about the obvious pedophilia or anything really.

If you say anything about it you get hit with: "Ahem... It's OKAY for you to be uncomfortable with it sweety, it's a DARK anime, watch something else".

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

I was surprised when I found that there is no big controversy around it, the biggest coming from some kpop girls cancelling their idols for mentioning it or smth. There is no big discussion about the obvious pedophilia or anything really.

If you say anything about it you get hit with: "Ahem... It's OKAY for you to be uncomfortable with it sweety, it's a DARK anime, watch something else

Interestingly, a guy with a thread here, Bogleech, had clocked this anime as lolifaggotry based on art style.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

I think this was overall good for society, same as I think pushing prostitution into the underground is. Keep it in the ghettos and dark corners of the internet, not sold via a quirky smartphone app.

Then what are all the porn websites, magazines, stores (Spencer’s; a mall store), and literally any social media website. Literal publicly advertised strip clubs, swingers/SM clubs, and escorts are readily available to the public. You can literally find sex anywhere. Banning it isn’t going to do shit. US Prohibition alone is the poster of ‘when there’s a will, there’s a way’. All you do is move it to the basement and keep the same production. Doesn’t change the fact that some chics gonna spread her legs for rent. And certainly not going to change the fact that clients are going to stick that shit right in her g-string.

Let’s not sit here and pretend like we haven’t watched porn, especially not that we’ve haven’t looked at someone with lust. No one gives a fuck what you do in your off time. Or what weird German or anime shit you watch. Nothing is going to change the fact that we, at some point, all benefitted from these “filthy” jobs. We aren’t monks in monasteries logging our nightly emission to prove our control over our lust to one another. (yes, this was legit thing that fucking happened.)

We can all sit here and continue to play semantics, but let’s at least agree to make sure to keep kids out of “safe-sites”. Pornhub literally doesn’t have age-verification because they know they’re benefiting off of CP. The least we can do is actually hold those assholes accountable like we hold teenagers exchanging nudes in the Midwest.

If you say anything about it you get hit with: "Ahem... It's OKAY for you to be uncomfortable with it sweety, it's a DARK anime, watch something else".

Yeah, everyone that knew it was fucky peaced out quick. When the anime came out initially, it was a fast revelation. Even looking into the manga there was immediate controversy around it. Particularly after ppl kept dickriding and recommending it. Like gore/horror is one thing, but we don’t need to know about the author’s multiple fetishes involving children. I’ve seen enough anime in my life to know that kids and horror aren’t just that. Elfen Lied the manga taught me that the hard way.