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Strong Towns taking what appears to be a potshot at NotJustBikes and urbanists big on social media in general.

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That last sentence is extremely fucking funny.

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Hm, who uses "stupid" a lot and accuses anyone who disagrees with him of killing people?

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It makes sense, you get more flies with honey than vinegar as the saying goes; unfortunately for Strong Towns the egotism of urbanists has been firmly set in and I don't see it changing.

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The fact walmarts always have like a dozen or more mobility scooters available at the front for customers to use is insane to me. Why do we need these? The people on them always move slow as shit and get in everyone's way- you'd think that if someone really needed one, they'd be coming into the store riding their hoverround from the start.
It's not an ADA requirement (not all stores have it) but there is a decent subset of the population who is not permanently disabled (requiring a scooter all the time) but is still fat enough (or to be fair, like the dude I saw missing a leg - he could walk short distances but took the convenience) to use one.

Walmart decades ago made conscious decisions to cater to that strata of Americana and it works damn well, those people will shop at Walmart above nearly anything else because of the ease.

Around here they have about 5 at each entrance, and I've not seen someone using it besides Lieutenant Dan mentioned above. I will admit I see them in the parking lot from time to time and ride them back into the store because it's hilariously funny.

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Strong Towns taking what appears to be a potshot at NotJustBikes and urbanists big on social media in general.

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That last sentence is extremely fucking funny.

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Hm, who uses "stupid" a lot and accuses anyone who disagrees with him of killing people?

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It makes sense, you get more flies with honey than vinegar as the saying goes; unfortunately for Strong Towns the egotism of urbanists has been firmly set in and I don't see it changing.

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I suspect that guy is a snake who is not interested in genuinely understanding other people's point of view, but rather in trying to figure out the magic words he has to say to get their approval for his preexisting plans. I'll believe he's genuine when he supports something people want but urbanists don't like new highways and single-family neighborhoods, which he clearly doesn't:

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also lmao (in reply to the quoted Austin tweet):
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Another example from one of the linked articles where the (different) author says that while lots of people like living in suburbs, they should still be discouraged because of finances, the environment, and road deaths.
The trap that many people fall into at this point is one of an unhelpful, naive agnosticism: they conclude that because there's no accounting for tastes, there can be no basis (other than snobbery) for suggesting that one pattern of development, or style of home or neighborhood, is preferable to any other. If people like it, it's good. No need to ask further questions. Let the market speak. Give the people what they want.
But in fact, there is another crucial question to ask: Regardless of whether individuals can live the good life in one sort of place, does it scale up? Can we, collectively, live the good life if we build miles upon miles of such places?

In other words, the question we really need to be asking is, "What are the consequences of our development pattern?"

In the case of the automobile-centric form of growth that took over North America after World War II, there are clear answers that have little to do with cultural or lifestyle preferences. They are empirical, quantifiable, and lead us in a more productive direction than fixating on the supposed quality-of-life defects of one place or another.

Auto-centric development is a fiscal disaster. It is a pattern of development that produces greater liabilities and less wealth than traditional, walkable neighborhoods. It has a tremendous financial burn rate and results in places that tend not to hold their value over time. As a result, local governments across North America are grappling with the specter of insolvency.

There are also clear ecological reasons to be alarmed by the spread of automobile-centric development. It results in far more paving over of the earth, far more emissions of particulate pollution and greenhouse gases, and a fragmented landscape with large swaths of non-place.

Motor vehicles are a tremendous cause of accidental death each year, killing as many people in the United States as do firearms. A growing share of those people are pedestrians and cyclists. Building places that require high-speed travel to function results in despotic conditions for Americans who choose to or have to walk.

In those aspects, we are living a failing experiment, and the costs are all around us. But the reasons it's failing are not because people don't like it. And the fact that many people do like it doesn't mean it's not failing. I can like all sorts of things that I also recognize I must enjoy in moderation.
The hilarious thing is that he precedes that section with a section saying that all the problems urbanist attribute to suburbs are fake:
These were the thoughts occupying my mind as I turned the corner onto a residential street. And I was confronted immediately by about a million happy kids.

Okay, maybe not a million. Maybe fifteen. But plenty. Kids on bikes. Kids on trikes. Kids jumping in a sprinkler. Kids playing basketball in the cul-de-sac. Adults chatting with each other in lawn chairs while grilling in front of open garage-doors. Lots of seasonal decorations. This was as lively a street as you would find downtown on a Saturday afternoon, and it was more or less a commercial for the suburban American dream come to life.
the level of participation in civic organizations is comparable in urban and suburban areas, the use of third places ("a coffee shop, bar, restaurant, park, or other public place that one visits regularly") is about equally widespread, and self-reported rates of loneliness are roughly the same. Stereotypes that suburbia lacks diversity and cosmopolitanism are also outdated, as is evidenced by the thriving, often immigrant-led entrepreneur communities in many such places.
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I suspect that guy is a snake who is not interested in genuinely understanding other people's point of view, but rather in trying to figure out the magic words he has to say to get their approval for his preexisting plans. I'll believe he's genuine when he supports something people want but urbanists don't like new highways and single-family neighborhoods, which he clearly doesn't:
That's correct. Chuck deserves ZERO credit. He's often cited as "but Strong Towns is conservative" citing Marohn's political party which leans right on social issues, but in reality he's surrounded himself with left-wing lunatics, and he's done the whole "a truck can run over a kid" stuff anyway. Hell, that's probably where Jason even got the idea.

He continues to push the idea that suburbs are financially insolvent, wrong in both theory (his methodology is wrong) and in practice (St. George, Louisiana).

An urbanist actually talked to some economists wrote a fairly balanced article about induced demand:
They don't point out that even though I-35 as is tends to be woefully inadequate but sprawl is happening anyway in all directions. They don't seem to really realize that Austin is a peak example of how urbanist policies and allegations don't actually reflect reality.
 
They don't point out that even though I-35 as is tends to be woefully inadequate but sprawl is happening anyway in all directions. They don't seem to really realize that Austin is a peak example of how urbanist policies and allegations don't actually reflect reality.
I like how they mention Seattle as a model of their denser city ideal but fail to mention that the climate vs Austin is comparing apples to oranges. Walking or waiting at a bus or rail stop for 10 or 20 minutes in Austin can be a health hazard due to heat for most of the year.
 
The speed in cities is set at 50 km/h as most drivers usually break before they hit a pedestrian lowering the speed to 30 km/h.

Urbanists in favor of this speed limit are opposed to having similar or even lower speeds for public transit even though those have more mass.

People will retort saying public transit drivers are better trained but many pedestrians are careless. Wouldn't it be better if trams were limited to 5 km/h?
 
I like how they mention Seattle as a model of their denser city ideal but fail to mention that the climate vs Austin is comparing apples to oranges. Walking or waiting at a bus or rail stop for 10 or 20 minutes in Austin can be a health hazard due to heat for most of the year.
Seattle is also more expensive:
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and has longer commute times:
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despite having a smaller relative increase in population over the past 20 years:
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Also, the decline in driving is almost all due to remote work (note this is just for downtown Seattle, not the entire metro area and transit likely includes private employer-run shuttles):
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Seattle has also made it illegal to build enough parking for every employee so the high transit usage isn't because they made transit better but rather because they made driving worse, which is probably why transit was hurt far more by remote work than driving.

Also look at how tiny the bike mode share is despite the massive investment in bike lanes the city has made. Seattle is rainy and hilly, but I've been told that isn't an issue thanks to e-bikes and raincoats.

Doing what Seattle does (banning suburban development, refusing to expand roads, banning parking, mandating density, subsidizing transit, and building bike lanes) is not a recipe for creating an affordable city with short commutes. Seattle is worse than Austin in every metric, and Austin is much worse than other Sunbelt cities that are less activist.
 
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It's not just American cities. You know how they slobber over Venice (the iconic "city of rivers" portion, not the functional but boring city that actually services it)? The "rivers" portion loses on average 2.7 people every single day, because it sucks, there's better and cheaper places to live, and those places come with the additional benefit of not losing your home to whatever Mediterranean "Aqua Laguna" that comes up.
Speaking of canals. I usually come across these sarcasm posts about Dutch canals or similar ones in European cities bemoaning how these could have all be 18 lane super highways (Where in the world are there 18 lane super highways, besides maybe some major trucking interstate in the Midwest or a port city) ignoring the facts that again, these canals were all built in the 1600s or earlier.

Canals were literally the highways of their time, even here in the US at least along the East coast canals were build to help ship coal and steel and other goods up and down rivers. You bet your ass that the Dutch or whoever the fuck would have built a super highway if they had the technology to in the 1600s. These bugmen types, especially the ones who fellate European cities, seem to only do it because of aestetic values. Deep down they know that modern cities are depressing shitholes and only point to these centuries old sectors of European cities that have only miraculously survived all the wars and occupations of the centuries. I mean how many of them seriously suck off London or Berlin outside of rail transit?
 
Speaking of canals. I usually come across these sarcasm posts about Dutch canals or similar ones in European cities bemoaning how these could have all be 18 lane super highways (Where in the world are there 18 lane super highways, besides maybe some major trucking interstate in the Midwest or a port city) ignoring the facts that again, these canals were all built in the 1600s or earlier.

Canals were literally the highways of their time, even here in the US at least along the East coast canals were build to help ship coal and steel and other goods up and down rivers. You bet your ass that the Dutch or whoever the fuck would have built a super highway if they had the technology to in the 1600s. These bugmen types, especially the ones who fellate European cities, seem to only do it because of aestetic values. Deep down they know that modern cities are depressing shitholes and only point to these centuries old sectors of European cities that have only miraculously survived all the wars and occupations of the centuries. I mean how many of them seriously suck off London or Berlin outside of rail transit?
Thanks to the canals, Amsterdam’s streets are about as wide as the largest “stroads” are (they’re about the same size as one with three through lanes, sidewalks, a median, and turn lanes). Unlike a “stroad” where it’s possible to jaywalk, the canal streets are impossible to cross without going to the next intersection (unless you want to get wet). Oddly, you don’t hear people like Jason advocating to fill in the “wastes of space” in order to make the area more walkable or to add a bus/tram lane like they do for roads.
 
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Speaking of canals. I usually come across these sarcasm posts about Dutch canals or similar ones in European cities bemoaning how these could have all be 18 lane super highways (Where in the world are there 18 lane super highways, besides maybe some major trucking interstate in the Midwest or a port city) ignoring the facts that again, these canals were all built in the 1600s or earlier.

The thing that they forget is that in most cases, even the downtown highways went AROUND the downtowns, not THROUGH them. Even now, the roads make a loop around a significant chunk of area, not cutting straight through. Anything that looks like it was cut straight through was developed later.
 
What they don't mention about Seattle is it has natural boundaries on the east and west, fucking huge bodies of water that simply block significant sprawl:

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and even with all that, they do get their transit BUT the areas within driving distance are all building up, too.
 
This is one of the scariest lolcow community threads to me.

Those people would feel right at home with the STASI or the KGB as a either neighborhood watch or as a midling typist or some bureaucrat at the file section, thinking they have all the fucking power over their neighbor:
"Heh, That drunk Roman who plays beattles on his x-ray record knew, knew! that anytime i could have him re-educated if he doens't close the trash lid of our building"
Meanwhile his asskissed boss who is probably more worried about smuggling some Marlboro's or that nice casio digital watch probably says "thank you and you can go now" and quietly throws his report on the trash.

It's not Biden or the mega-jew or whoever the fuck that runs the world and says shit on WEF that scares me, its how many of those fucks would willingly come as mid-level management and fuck us over with glee, it's not even the low level enforcers or rats, who more than likely work for a paycheck and nothing else, it's the mid-level, the extreme fanatics.

Those retards play HOI4 and SimCity 24/7 and dream of being a part of the machine that dictates their favorite worldview onto others and wants to crush or ridicule any dissent.
We already see how deranged they are with just being mods of reddit and moaning and bitching about their neighbors SUV on reddit, or how cool and hip they are with their decaf coffee cup in one hand and the other gripping a 5000$ carbon bike, or their retarded 500000+ video channel about urban planning, imagine if somehow those retards ended up in a council board or any other actual positions of power.
 
This is one of the scariest lolcow community threads to me.

Those people would feel right at home with the STASI or the KGB as a either neighborhood watch or as a midling typist or some bureaucrat at the file section, thinking they have all the fucking power over their neighbor:
"Heh, That drunk Roman who plays beattles on his x-ray record knew, knew! that anytime i could have him re-educated if he doens't close the trash lid of our building"
Meanwhile his asskissed boss who is probably more worried about smuggling some Marlboro's or that nice casio digital watch probably says "thank you and you can go now" and quietly throws his report on the trash.

It's not Biden or the mega-jew or whoever the fuck that runs the world and says shit on WEF that scares me, its how many of those fucks would willingly come as mid-level management and fuck us over with glee, it's not even the low level enforcers or rats, who more than likely work for a paycheck and nothing else, it's the mid-level, the extreme fanatics.

Those retards play HOI4 and SimCity and dream of being a part of the machine that dictates their favorite worldview onto others and wants to crush or ridicule any dissent.
We already see how deranged they are with just being mods of reddit and moaning and bitching about their neighbors SUV on reddit, or how cool and hip they are with their decaf coffee cup in one hand and the other gripping a 5000$ carbon bike.
Another thing is that there aren’t many voices opposing them, especially on places like YouTube. That means they get to construct their retarded narratives completely unopposed.
 
Another thing is that there aren’t many voices opposing them, especially on places like YouTube. That means they get to construct their retarded narratives completely unopposed.
Because they are spergs, the normies who think they are completely retarded don't have time to create a counter narrative, best we got is memology101 and asmogold taking their comments and clips and shit they say on tiktok and spreading it around.

Problem is when they start getting traction, but i'm optimistic they will never get there because there will be always purity spiraling and the problem @Apple Porcupine laid out:
It makes sense, you get more flies with honey than vinegar as the saying goes; unfortunately for Strong Towns the egotism of urbanists has been firmly set in and I don't see it changing.
 
And this is what the rest of the area looks like:
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late reply, but if you turn the camera to face the other way, you'll see this place is right next to a district that consists entirely of large industrial and commercial premises
it also has a shooting range, which will no doubt trigger many of the r/fuckcars types
 
What they don't mention about Seattle is it has natural boundaries on the east and west, fucking huge bodies of water that simply block significant sprawl:

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and even with all that, they do get their transit BUT the areas within driving distance are all building up, too.
Well I can tell where the Niggers are in Seattle
 
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