Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[UnsufficentBoobage]

I’ve seen enough anime in my life to know that kids and horror aren’t just that. Elfen Lied the manga taught me that the hard way

God, Elfen Lied. My sister, who is absolutely passionles and legit asexual

Spoiler: clarification

she was born with some organic defect that made her 100% frigid and, while plumbing works, no interest in sex ever arisen

liked that anime, but I can not imagine normal person ignoring shit that is in there.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The pass and expectation that gay men be hedonistic faggots is frustrating and confusing. I think it stems from the basis of their 'identity' being sexual and because It Is Good To Support Teh Gays™ they support gayness which is apparently hypersexuality.

It's also that they're primarily lower classes of men, who society considers disposable, or something to be ignored, so their activities don't garner the same attention, and because they tend to keep their activities out of the limelight for the most part. There is plenty of backlash when pride rolls around.

One of the reasons troonism generates such disgust is because of its highly visible and transgressive nature; they don't keep to the shadows and just pop up occasionally to make noise, like gay men, but constantly push themselves to the forefront in every situation. They invade spaces they were not meant to inhabit, they force everyone nearby to participate in their sexual gratification, and they never, ever shut up.

 

[FinnSven]

It's also that they're primarily lower classes of men, who society considers disposable, or something to be ignored, so their activities don't garner the same attention, and because they tend to keep their activities out of the limelight for the most part. There is plenty of backlash when pride rolls around.

One of the reasons troonism generates such disgust is because of its highly visible and transgressive nature; they don't keep to the shadows and just pop up occasionally to make noise, like gay men, but constantly push themselves to the forefront in every situation. They invade spaces they were not meant to inhabit, they force everyone nearby to participate in their sexual gratification, and they never, ever shut up.

I think, though this may just be assumption, that people in general feel less sympathy for males selling sex.

Everyone knows that if women buy sex, it's because she wants something specific, rather than satisfying a desperate need.

So, males who sell sex, it is also overwhelmingly to men.

Men are more expected to sell their physical labor if nothing else presents itself, like heavy site work, dirty work in factories, most kinds of casual unskilled labor.

Thus, a common perception is if they are selling sex, they are either lazy or hedonistic because they are doing it mostly to buy drugs and they can't be particularly fussy or have much self-respect.
People don't seem to believe that men can be coerced or manipulated into it in the same way.

A woman selling sex is often perceived as either doing what she must to feed the kids without the support of a man.

A male selling sex is just a filthy little queer indulging in hedonistic acts and partying.

There is some perception of this about Troons too. Especially Troons who indulge in sex work, and historically perhaps if not the majority, a sizable minority of HSTS and perhaps totally brainwashed young gay men were Trooning specifically for sex work.

I get that Troons want to break this stereotype, but it's the wrong approach to try to place sex work on the same society level as other types of labor as a means to changing this stereotype.
It can be legalized and de stigmatized that way, but trying to make it an ordinary part of life is damaging.

 

[Kerr Avon]

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A prediction from over 45 years ago that sadly came true.

One brand of faggots accusing another of trespass is gutbustingly hilarious

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

God, Elfen Lied. My sister, who is absolutely passionles and legit asexual liked that anime, but I can not imagine normal person ignoring shit that is in there.

The anime is so fucking soft compared to the manga. It’s a literal expectation that you’d like the anime over anything of the manga.

Spoiler: Context

it literally had a character that had to wear a diaper because she’d continuously pisses herself. She was literally severely abused over wanting to play music professionally like her dead mother.

I’ll watch the anime on repeat if I don’t have to deal with that shit

 

[deermeat]

Most gay men don't even like chicks with dicks and femboys. Its really only a porn/sex addict thing. Heavy emphasis on porn addict because I dont think most sex addicts resort to femboys / troons either. Not unless they watch porn.

And really, this shit honestly disgusts me way more than it should. Its just disturbing, I cant quite put my finger on why. I dont like dick as is, but theres just something truly deplorable about the concept of chicks with dicks. Its so unnatural. Even stuff like vore, in comparison, feels less intrusive.

I guess its because unlike vore, people are actively grooming and mutilating themselves/others to fulfil this fantasy irl. And its creepy seeing the sheer amount of straight men fall down this rabbit hole. A habbit hole where very few come back from. Also I think its because of the misogyny aspect too. The whole foundation is built on the concept that you dont need women, that men can make better women. The concept of skinwalking itself. It comes across morbid.

Dont forget the pedophilia. Unlike what DDLG defenders claim, most pedophiles are not attracted to children. Its about power and corruption. They arent turned on by childrens bodies, theyre turned on by preying on children. And yes, cognitive dissonance is a thing. A lot of "trans girls" just so happen to mimic girls in their teens + they have the body for it. You really think a porn addicted pedo is not going to overlook the dick? And i think someone else mentioned in another thread, the whole concept of femboys is rooted in pedophilia. Hell, the trans flag color scheme alone is rooted in pedophilia. Why baby blue and baby pink? Why not something more mature? Pretty sure the creator was exposed as a pedo too.

Its so creepy, man. It all belongs in a horror movie.

Btw no i dont think a lot of these men are truly gay. Its a paraphillia more than anything.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Why baby blue and baby pink? Why not something more mature? Pretty sure the creator was exposed as a pedo too.

This makes me think how horrifying is to think that troons canceled the old lesbian flag because the creator did wrongthinking so it had to inmediatly change it to the current lesbian flag to include them, but the creator of the trans flag was outed as a pedophile and no troon complains about changing THEIR OWN flag for that.

Excluding men in dresses from your sexual orientation? sorry but thats inacceptable and must be corrected
Fantisizing about having sexual relationships with little girls? c'mon, that nothing too bad, we can disagree on that and still keep that flag

 

[Space Police]

I guess its because unlike vore, people are actively grooming and mutilating themselves/others to fulfil this fantasy irl. And its creepy seeing the sheer amount of straight men fall down this rabbit hole. A habbit hole where very few come back from. Also I think its because of the misogyny aspect too. The whole foundation is built on the concept that you dont need women, that men can make better women. The concept of skinwalking itself. It comes across morbid.

Also, unlike vore, they try to insist that femboys aren't a sexual thing and that it's natural gender non-conformity, and they use this facade to groom people into accepting it. You might say that furries do that too, but femboys are worse than furries because while there are many furries who aren't sexual about it (even if they're a minority), the entire femboy aesthetic is based around a highly sexualized fashion that straight men find attractive. They've even gotten some GC people to accept "femboy" as a general term for GNC males, even though it's a porn term and something very distinct from a little boy who likes pink or a flamboyant gay man. r/traa-style memes deserve a mention here since the "such an egg uwu" and "serious trans vibes" posts are the same thing, but with sissy hypnosis instead of just "chicks with dicks" -- there's such a sexualized/sexist undercurrent to all these memes, but 14-year-old Redditors don't notice because most of them watch porn and all online environments that aren't super niche are bombarded with porny sex discussion.

Btw no i dont think a lot of these men are truly gay. Its a paraphillia more than anything.

100%. Look how F1NN5TER acts around his boyfriend. There's no genuine love or attraction; they're two heterosexual fetishists getting off on performing something they saw in porn. Maaaaybe they're a teeny bit bisexual, but if these men found a real woman who was willing to indulge the porn crap they'd choose her over each other instantly. Maybe transbians are choosing each other over real women because they know that the best chance for a real woman who'd put up with their crap is a heckin' valid and quirky queer woman, and that's not exactly what they saw in porn. Perhaps this is a force behind the transmedicalism among /tttt/ types -- they hate "theyfabs" for not indulging their porn fantasies, and they hate "hons", "tucutes", and "visible queerness" because those things also contradict with their porn fantasies. If that's the case, they've managed to be the most narcissistic type of troon all while claiming to be "not like those narcissistic queer tucutes"

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

How long do Trannys live for? Like does the surgery lead to early graves? what about taking HRT? I'm not talking about suicide.

 

[AI generated waifu]

How long do Trannys live for? Like does the surgery lead to early graves? what about taking HRT? I'm not talking about suicide.

It's not clear generally how badly HRT and surgery affects longevity, but we do know it's definitely unhealthy. One thing I can think of right now is how testosterone comes with the added complication of blood clots, that can lead to serious issues like heart attack. I remember having read a story somewhere on this site from a transman about a friend of hers (also trans) suddenly dying from one. She wanted to stop taking testosterone after that.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

It's not clear generally how badly HRT and surgery affects longevity, but we do know it's definitely unhealthy. One thing I can think of right now is how testosterone comes with the added complication of blood clots, that can lead to serious issues like heart attack. I remember having read a story somewhere on this site from a transman about a friend of hers (also trans) suddenly dying from one. She wanted to stop taking testosterone after that.

What about HRT is bad for you? I have a coworker who's a post menopausal double breast cancer (two separate times, one on each breast) survivor who's been prescribed HRT (estrogen to be exact, it's something about the cancer prevention drugs that sap it from the body). But yet again she's 60+ year old woman so I would assume it's a case of her taking a pill that replaces something her body would already be making naturally.


Also are those who take HRT taking it safely? Or is this a case of buying it from a foreign country and just having it mailed to you?

 

[deermeat]

What about HRT is bad for you? I have a coworker who's a post menopausal double breast cancer (two separate times, one on each breast) survivor who's been prescribed HRT (estrogen to be exact, it's something about the cancer prevention drugs that sap it from the body). But yet again she's 60+ year old woman so I would assume it's a case of her taking a pill that replaces something her body would already be making naturally.


Also are those who take HRT taking it safely? Or is this a case of buying it from a foreign country and just having it mailed to you?

HRT actually isnt that good for cancer patients either, it's just thats their only option. Artificial hormones of any variety generally isn't good for you. But when it comes to taking artificial hormones that are not biologically MEANT for you, it's 10x worse. And 50x worse when it comes to bathtub HRT. Even without HRT or any drug, problems arise when it comes to an imbalance of hormones. When men have low T and high E, they suffer. When women have high T and low E, they suffer. Both mentally and physically.

No amount of magical thinking surrounding "gender dsyphoria" will ever change that reality. Especially since these people cant even define what a woman/man is.

To make a compariosn.... Imagine if we gave anorexics Wegovy. They get the results they want, in their fucked up head they are only happy because they are affirming their delusions. Doctirs then say "oh well it looks like these people has seen improve thanks to this drug that alters their hormones, this must mean their body was the problem and not their mental state." even though most anorexics arent happy, theyre only "happy" when they reach their CW, something thats always being pushed to more and more extremes. But now not only that, more anorexics are suffering more than they ever did because of the drug's negative effects. Yet since not technically everyone suffers right away, people still advocate for it as a useful treatment as a guise for suicide preventention.
But load and bohold, it was all a ploy to simply sell that drug to vulernable people as a miracle cure.

This is what happened with HRT and puberty blockers.
But lately they've been taking a step back and retracting their claims now, mainly due to lawsuits and the rise of bathtub HRT. Meaning Big Phamra cant profit from it. Originally, HRT and PB were prescribed by doctors and medical insurances at mass were covering it. It was 100% pushed by Big Pharma, with most of "trans studies" being funded by the goverment. The studies are mostly dogwater as talked about in other threads.

We've seen this happen a lot in history. Where Big Pharma pushes out a dangerous drug so heavily, censoring anyone speaking out against it until eventually thr lawsuits became too much and shit gets out of control. Its just this time, this is the first time in history as far as Im aware where they've managed to use mental illness as a escapegoat, We've seen this happen with ADHD and Adderal, how that was being handed out to kids as young as 4 like candy. But nothing this severe.. Nothing with pedophilic undertones either. Or that advocated for literal oppression of womens rights.

 

[AI generated waifu]

@deermeat

I can't quote your post above, but your anorexia comparison reminded me of this substack article about 'gender affirming care', written by Michelle Alleva, a detransitioner. She explains how pursuing happiness through transition is unhealthy and doesn't actually fix people's dysphoria, rather it makes it worse. Like anorexia, it distorts your thinking and makes you reliant on 'fixing' the flaws of the body, functioning almost like an addiction.

Some choice quotes from the article :

One of the traps of sex-trait modification, though, is that you often feel more distress the further into it you get. A TikTok video recently made rounds on Twitter of a man explaining exactly this: that every step he took in changing his body fed his desire to change more.

He frames this as having his experience “evolve” through the process when, if you take a step back, the treatment is clearly exacerbating his distress. First, he is convinced that he is not a man. Then, as he begins obscuring his biological sex (e.g., softening of skin, growing breast tissue, etc.), each step he takes that makes him look more “female” (to him) gives him a little thrill. Then the thrill wears off, he becomes more anxious and desperate regarding the traits giving away that he is male, and he starts looking for a new “embodiment goal.”

If that sounds a bit like an addiction, it’s because it is. He is psychologically reliant on being affirmed in his delusion that he is a woman.

The transsexuals who boast that medicalization “worked” for them are, essentially, high-functioning addicts. They may have gotten lucky with surgery results; they may be holding regular employment; they may still have their families; their lives may not have fallen apart. But they are still psychologically reliant on being affirmed.

 

[melty]

All of the sex workers I’ve known (and the main activist gorups) seem to support decriminalization. Though rad fems insist this increases sex trafficking. Meanwhile the sex worker activists, scholars insist that sex trafficking is a hugely exaggerated and misunderstood phenomenon, which I believe there is evidence for, but that’s another can of worms.

All of the sex workers I've known are fucking retards whose advice shouldn't be taken or trusted for anything. That's why they are sex workers and not doctors and scientists. This sounds like the same arguments people said why decriminalization of drugs is good and criminalizing them was bad. Spoiler alert it didn't work out.

 

[doodoocaca]

HRT actually isnt that good for cancer patients either, it's just thats their only option.

Slight derail, but isn't HRT as in "bringing levels up to where they should be naturally but you have a condition or you're old now" good for people? That is, giving men a little T and women a little E or P, so to speak?

Obviously it's never that simple but you get my point.

 

[deermeat]

Slight derail, but isn't HRT as in "bringing levels up to where they should be naturally but you have a condition or you're old now" good for people? That is, giving men a little T and women a little E or P, so to speak?

Obviously it's never that simple but you get my point.

It's because it is artificial. When you do it like that, depending on how long you take it (which doesnt take that long sometimes) it causes your body to stop producing that hormone naturally. It was the case with TRT and Wegovy in particular. At least for a good amount of people, HRT is their only option. Yet to treat mental illness or as an aid for someone who can already produce those hormones? Its absurd. There's better alternatives for people to raise their hormones naturally. Admittly, I dont know much about riaisiing female hormones because its not as researched compared to male hormones. But for men, its remarkably easy to fix your T levels naturally.

All in all, like I said its the best option IF you have no other alternative.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

The pass and expectation that gay men be hedonistic faggots is frustrating and confusing. I think it stems from the basis of their 'identity' being sexual and because It Is Good To Support Teh Gays™ they support gayness which is apparently hypersexuality.

I think there is also just the sense that they are going to do it anyway and that men in general don't respond to shame as much as women do.

The drug pushers, manipulators, and kidnappers need to be treated differently and much more severely than some random e-thot, imo. Both are problems, but it's matter of magnitude.

This is exactly why everyone started using 'sex worker' so that it's less obvious who the organisers are. But it's always been true that the organisers are often ex-prostitutes or street dealers themselves.

And really, this shit honestly disgusts me way more than it should. Its just disturbing, I cant quite put my finger on why. I dont like dick as is, but theres just something truly deplorable about the concept of chicks with dicks. Its so unnatural. Even stuff like vore, in comparison, feels less intrusive.

It's the idea of disembodied or objectified body parts taken to a whole new level because while women can be dehumanised to tits and ass you know there is a woman attached somewhere when there is literally no natural combination of dick and breasts - it is literally pick and mix and choosing body parts like off a menu.

 

[Susanna]

Slight derail, but isn't HRT as in "bringing levels up to where they should be naturally but you have a condition or you're old now" good for people? That is, giving men a little T and women a little E or P, so to speak?

Obviously it's never that simple but you get my point.

Estrogen HRT in postmenopausal women has some benefits, such as dampening or outright stopping hot flashes, as well as preventing osteoporosis, but it also comes with raised risk of blood clots and strokes. It's not always a good idea. Usually the dosage is also very small, because you genuinely don't need much. You rarely prescribe HRT to a woman before ~age 60, because it takes a while for osteoporosis to become more dangerous than the increased risk of cardiac issues. Female bodies are built around compromises required for pregnancy, and when the body can no longer get pregnant, it'll stop bothering with a lot of those compromises. High estrogen isn't actually healthy for women, it's just required by the reproductive system. Stop the reproductive system and you can stop (most of) the estrogen. Evolution considered this a worthwhile tradeoff, because past a certain age you stop being able to produce viable offspring anyway, and you'll be more useful to your descendants as a crone back in the village, able to help raise your grandchildren and looking after the house. From this evolutionary perspective, menopause lets you continue contributing to the success of your genes for longer.


If you think "let's boost the 55 year old back up to 300ng/dL, it'll give him more vigour", well, it will, but he'll also get roid rage and gradually troon out. Men genuinely don't need much estrogen to feminise, troons only take those insanely high dosages to reduce their natural testosterone production. Male bodies rely on estrogen to regulate their testosterone production, and by raising their estrogen levels to around what a woman would have during pregnancy, troons can stop testosterone production almost entirely. But every male has some estrogen naturally, because excess testosterone metabolises into estrogen, and elevated estrogen reduces testosterone production in the testicles, through which mechanism healthy men will get a healthy testosterone level without getting enough estrogen to feminise. So in most cases giving a man more testosterone won't accomplish anything useful, because his body naturally produces as much as he needs and no more. The effect is like steroids, he'll get more aggressive and put on more muscle, but it will also significantly raise his estrogen levels (because he has more testosterone than his body can use, and the extra hormone will gradually convert into estrogen), which causes permanent atrophy of the testicles and the growing of moobs. It's still done, but mostly only in men who have been castrated (cancer treatment), and even then only in very low doses, like for the postmenopausal women, because you genuinely don't need all that much to stave of health issues, and even a slight excess can cause problems.

 

[doodoocaca]

Sounds like the solution is to eat well, run, and lift. Like we've always known for as long as surviving records would indicate. Thanks for humoring me.

 

[Space Police]

This is exactly why everyone started using 'sex worker' so that it's less obvious who the organisers are. But it's always been true that the organisers are often ex-prostitutes or street dealers themselves.

This is why keeping the sex trade legal will never work. No woman willingly stays in the sex trade for long, so the pimps have to get thugs and drug dealers to prevent the women from leaving, and thugs and drug dealers invite additional crime. The way to solve it is to use something like the Nordic Model, where sex buyers and pimps are punished but the women aren't.