Vee mentioned it so hopefully others in that sphere get around too it as well, a change happening is unlikely but the best we can hope for at this point is some laughs if this blows up and mario's name is dragged through culture war shit which rate me optimistic, is probably something I don't think nintendo wants to happen
before this latest Vivian leak, the main thing is censoring the early game scene where the three goombas catcall Goombella, and now it's downplayed to them claiming the sewers as their turf. Her reactions in the original were really funny so it's a real shame
You're right. I've cancelled my preorder just now.
That's the censorship I'm aware of, but that's not a major story retcon like what was mentioned.
Here:
and here:That's the most infurating part about it. In the original Japanese, Vivian was an EFFEMINATE MAN.
and yet these motherfuckers have the AUDACITY, the sheer, unrepentant GALL, to claim that making Vivian a troon is "ackshually MORE accurate to the original Japanese".
THIS IS A STEP ABOVE REMOVING CONTEXT. THEY'RE CREATING NEW CONTEXT. THEY KNOW THAT THEIR ENTIRE ARGUMENT, AND THUS, THIS CHANGE, IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT. TOTAL. TRANNY. DEATH.
give me my top hats.
Congrats, you annoyed me enough to longpost!
TTYD isn't one of my favorite games. So let's use an example from one that is.
Mother 3... and you don't see me throwing a conniption over the fact that the Magypsies exist. Know why?
One is the author's original intent, the other is a change introduced by localizers to a character who was a MAN and was always a MAN.
The Magypsies work great to dispel your "argument" as their gender is plot relevant, compared to Vivian who is just a side character in a Mario RPG. They are creatures who look like men in drag that have no gender.
Their gender is very important to the story as they were written that way on purpose, Itoi wrote them to contrast with the main characters, and to show the player not to judge a book by it's cover.
And again, you don't see me throwing a fit over them. Do you?
Why is it so important to your side that this change clearly introduced to Vivian's character for culture war reasons be taken as "how it always was" and is "plot important"
This was a change in localization, true.
However, you're also wrong. So did the German version.
Now, pettiness aside... The fact this change was made also breaks your entire argument. Did the story lose anything because Vivian was a woman in the English and German versions? No.
This change wasn't made because it was important. It was made because of culture war reasons. It was made to satisfy troons on twitter.
This isn't authorial intent. Vivian was written as a man who was comfortable enough to dress like a girl and was placed in a group of women, women who constantly made fun of him for that fact. The original japanese script would have actually been more ballsy to keep nowadays, because it would have gone against the tranny idea that if you dress like a woman, you are a woman.
No, Vivian was bullied because he is a man. It was to show how his sisters treated him poorly, compared to how he was treated when he joined Mario. It was to establish Beldam and the other one I'm forgetting the name of as villains, so that when the player fights them again after getting Vivian, it is satisfying to defeat them.
What is it with you troons and claiming "media literacy" and yet you can never fucking understand media, at all?
Who fucking cares? This thread is about Paper Mario, not the gay character in Assassin's Creed. The current discourse you are trying to weigh in on is a change made by the localizers at Treehouse to fulfill a culture war agenda.
I brought up a different game, sure. But that was because you assumed everyone's favorite game was TTYD. You brought up a different game... Because a character is gay?
How does this matter to the topic at hand? Who was getting up in arms that a character in Assassin's Creed is gay?
It doesn't. TLDR: Eat Shit. Get Better Bait. Fuck off back to twitter.
Please don't give them ideas, you know troons are unable to resist this place, like a moth to the flame.
Maybe the late game reveal is that she used to be a he. And therefore mario got foot trolled by tranny dragon and you can never unwash the shame
Yeah, leave it up to the guy whose petition for Stellar Blade did fuck-all.Yup Grummz mentioned it, interested now to see where this will go
There seems to be a misunderstanding. then. When I hear "story retcon," I interpret it as something which doesn't align with preestablished lore which interferes with the stories of earlier games or later games. This is a rewrite, not a retcon.
I didn't say I expected anything, I just wanna see a shitstorm at this point since that's the most entertaining outcome that could come out of this
This. After this big of a demoralNVKE that dropped, I expect to see all the big Nintendrone youtubers (Arlo, GameXplain, etc) to come out of the woodworks to suck the girldick and defend why revisionism is good actually and reverting to original scripture is heckkin' problematic. And I want people opposing this to spergout back just to make this a real site-wide shitshow to occur. If I can't enjoy the game as intended, then I'll be sure to get a kick out of the trashfire that would pursue from this.
Troons losing it wouldn't matter as they make up a tiny minority of the entire world plus they can always have their japanese version to claim she's "trans"(that isn't even counting that even that isn't correct) I just think posters here are disappointed and frustrated that they really went that route because it seems extremely illogical in this current climate and people are tired of tranny shit inserted into everything
Good, someone should post this screenshot on the Asmongold subreddit so he reacts to it and make a video out of it lol.
Post the link to the thread here so it can looked into more detail
Say what country did this happen in? Because I'm curious....
Troons are a minority but unfortunately a very vocal one. Why do you think so many games no longer have a gender option anymore and just something like "feminine frame" or "masculine frame"?
They're natively activists, and since America has adopted "the minority's voice is the most important", they tend to be a very top priority. Not to mention violence is what they threaten so that also contributes it. Death threats are OK if its on the right targets!
