“Pro-Pedophile” Activist Group Celebrates As Germany Decriminalizes Child Porn Possession

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Germany’s Parliament (Bundestag) has received the votes necessary to remove a section of the Criminal Code which made the possession of child sexual abuse materials a felony crime. Once the bill, passed last Thursday, comes into effect, minimum sentences for the possession of child pornography will be reduced, and the offense will be downgraded to a misdemeanor.

According to the Bundestag, the bill stipulates that “possession and acquisition should be punishable with a minimum penalty of three months’ imprisonment, and distribution with a minimum penalty of six months’ imprisonment, and distribution with a minimum penalty of six months’ imprisonment. The offenses regulated in Section 184b of the Criminal Code are therefore classified as misdemeanors and not as crimes.”

The possession of child sexual abuse materials was first classified as a crime in 2021 after Federal Justice Minister Christine Lambrecht of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) introduced a minimum sentence of one year for the offense. The move classified the act as a felony, which it remained for three years until this most recent downgrade.

Responding to the passage of the bill, chairman of the association “German Children’s Aid – The Permanent Children’s Representation” (Deutsche Kinderhilfe – Die ständige Kindervertretung), Rainer Becker, pointed out that Germany could violate a directive from the European Union that classifies any child pornographic media as a serious criminal offense with the change to the law.

A statement of opposition was released by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) Christian Social Union of Bavaria (CSU). “The distribution, possession and acquisition of child pornography must, in principle, remain classified as crimes,” reads the declaration.

“Even if the increase in the penalty range in Section 184b of the Criminal Code in 2020 has led to practical problems in certain cases, a blanket reduction in the penalty range is the wrong solution. A change should be limited to the problem cases and solve them effectively. Scientific findings show that if the penalty framework shifts downwards, the penalties imposed in practice also tend to be lower.”

The rationale behind the downgrading of the crime to a misdemeanor included consideration for parents and teachers of children who download the content in order to inform law enforcement. “Such cases have occurred particularly frequently among parents and teachers of older children or young people who found child pornography on them and passed it on to other parents, teachers or the school management to inform them of the problem,” reads Article 1 of the bill.

The legislation continues: “A downgrade to a misdemeanor is also urgently required in order to be able to respond appropriately and with the necessary flexibility to the large proportion of juvenile offenders. Here, too, the perpetrators generally do not act in order to be sexually aroused by the child pornography content, but rather out of a drive typical of the adolescent stage of development, such as naivety, curiosity, thirst for adventure or the desire to impress.”

However, despite acknowledging such circumstances, the bill has not made certain exceptions, but rather downgrades possession of child pornography altogether – a fact that has not gone unnoticed by pro-pedophile campaigners.

The move has already been praised by a notorious German pro-pedophile activist group. Known as Krumme-13, or simply K13, the activist group has been described as a “self-help” organization for “pedosexuals.”

In a blog post written by its founder and dated May 17, K13 laments that “no politician in all factions apologized to the thousands upon thousands of those affected who fell victim” to the 2021 law which had made possession of child sexual abuse materials a felony.

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K13 further advises all visitors to their site to have any relevant defense lawyers “submit applications for stays of proceedings on behalf of their clients in ongoing proceedings,” in order to wait out the period of time until the law goes into effect.

The notorious group was founded by Dieter Gieseking, who has been repeatedly charged with the possession of child pornography.

In 1996, Gieseking was sentenced to eighteen months, for which he served one year in prison, on charges related to operating a mail order child pornography service from a van. In 2003, Gieseking again appeared in court accused of possession of child sexual abuse materials obtained between July 1999 and January 2001. The pornography was found on Gieseking’s computer after a search of his residence in August 2001. His devices contained a total of 216 image files of naked children, and he was sentenced to eight months in prison.

At the time, Gieseking was also accused of linking to a child pornography page on his website. This link was discovered by jugendschutz.net, an organization set up by the federal government to protect minors online.

In a 2014 interview with Taz Online, Gieseking called for lowering the age of consent to 12 years of age, and said that adult sexual interactions with toddlers would have to be “discussed separately.”

“The taboo of pedophilia must finally be broken at all levels of society. If a pedophile can come out without fear of exclusion or even demonization, then this is the best prevention against child abuse,” Gieseking told the outlet.

“For babies and toddlers and elementary school students, the sexual component in such a ‘relationship’ is problematic. This would have to be discussed separately. From a sexual policy perspective, an age of consent (age of consent) of 12 is appropriate and long overdue in today’s enlightened society. There are boys and girls who take the initiative in a friendly and sexual relationship with a pedosexual. Therefore, there is a need for sexual criminal law reform that does justice to everyone involved.”

Through K13, Gieseking and his supporters lobby for lowering the age of consent and legalizing child pornography. K13 also campaigns for decriminalizing sexual relations between adults and children.

“Legalizing clearly self-determined sexuality between older people and those under 14 is the best protection against actual sexual violence against children,” Gieseking wrote in another petition to the government, while calling for the abolition of Sections 176 [Sexual Abuse of Children] and 188 [Dissemination, Acquisition and Possession of Child Pornographic Content] of the legal code.

Gieseking has been lobbying the government for changes to legislation for several years. Last fall, the Bundestag accepted a petition on children’s rights authored by Gieseking which amends Article 6 of the Basic Law to add statements regarding children’s rights, and states that “children should be viewed as legal subjects with their own rights.”

Among the rights listed within the petition’s text is the assertion that children have “the right to have a say in all matters that affect their emotional, mental and physical well-being,” and “the right to the free development of their personality.”

“Sexual self-determination” is included in Article 2 of the Basic Law under the phrase “free development of personality,” a fact that Gieseking made certain to point out to his followers on his website.
 
just don't punish people who turn it in, then if they're justifiabley innocent?
That's how its supposed to work. In America, if you stumble across CSAM, you can report it. I assume they authorities will check to see if you're an active consumer of this stuff and why (some tech jobs make you more likely to run into illegal websites), but they won't just treat you like you're some pedophile right off the bat.

I say all of that to mean I don't trust Germany's law people on this one. Their reasons don't make sense and I feel like they have ulterior motives. Unless it just worked different in Germany? Like the law was notoriously bad at handling this sort of thing?
 
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1. If it's truly innocent parental investigation, this would be considered within the investigation or the court trial and wouldn't result in a criminal charge.
That is simply not true, exactly that will happen, one example:

Boy sees nude of minor in the whatsapp group of his class, he immediately tells his father, the father calls the police and the cop on the phone says that he should email the picture to the police station.

Result: Father and son both get trialed for possession and distribution of child porn

Even under the new law they would have been trialed: https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/105/2010540.pdf


They should of course not take this down to a misdemeanor but the original law by CDU was simply dogshit.
 
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Maybe it's not the Jews who are a problem, but the Germans in general. Maybe the silly mustache Austrian man was right in gassing the Germans, just needed to expand it to literally the entire country.

Germans are the bugmen of Europe.
you would think that but you could buy a license apparently to be a crossdresser in Nazi Germany.... or so I've heard
 
That failed painter with a funny mustache was right.
Why'd he release convicted child rapist Oskar Dirlewanger from prison and make him an SS officer then?

The Nazis were very much a "rules for thee but not for me" kind of regime and it's amazing how to this day people fall for their propaganda.
 
That's how its supposed to work. In America, if you stumble across CSAM, you can report it. I assume they authorities will check to see if you're an active consumer of this stuff and why (some tech jobs make you more likely to run into illegal websites), but they won't just treat you like you're some pedophile right off the bat.

I say all of that to mean I don't trust Germany's law people on this one. Their reasons don't make sense and I feel like they have ulterior motives. Unless it just worked different in Germany? Like the law was notoriously bad at handling this sort of thing?

Boy sees nude of minor in the whatsapp group of his class, he immediately tells his father, the father calls the police and the cop on the phone says that he should email the picture to the police station.

Result: Father and son both get trialed for possession and distribution of child porn

Even under the new law they would have been trialed: https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/105/2010540.pdf


They should of course not take this down to a misdemeanor but the original law by CDU was simply dogshit.
I feel like in most countries police don't have to press charges if they don't think a crime has been committed, or they can drop charges after an investigation and this is, at least to some extent, up to the personal judgment of law enforcement.

It seems like, in Germany, even if the police and the judge think the parents/teachers/whoever reported this crime are innocent they were still forced to charge them and then give them a minimum of 1 year in prison? So they've completely taken human decision making out of their legal system?

It does seem like the original law was broken if it was resulting in innocent people going to jail for a year for reporting a crime to the police and providing evidence of the crime. This seems like a larger issue with how they process crimes though and I don't think downgrading this specific crime to a misdemeanor is the best way to handle the issue but I'm no German law expert.
 
The guy we bombed was the one who wanted this to stop.
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You sure about that? Its not like the head of the Luftwaffe was a drug-addicted former pimp who struggled to put the fork down or anything like that.
How much of this is because Germans are naturally morally depraved degenerates versus them trying to appeal to mudsline sensibilities?
I'd say its about 50/50.
If they're our vassals they're some of the worst, most disobedient vassals ever known to man. Its not even a Donald Trump thing. After Barack Obama got everyone in NATO to agree to spend 2% of their GDP on having something resembling a working military they all promptly ignored him and continued to do sweet fuck-all to take care of themselves in that regard.
Since 1945, Germany has had to endured endless attacks on its spirit by pig ugly Americans lead by their Jewish overlords. They have been pummeled into near nothingness by America and now Americans are shocked when its a fucking shit hole of terrifying. We British have had a hand in it as well, as have the French. We all shit on them over the holocaust and we wonder why they are fucked in the head.

I say we murder every single American, because lets face it, it would be a net gain for the rest of the world.
You're forgetting that as far back as the Roman times the Germans were considered the scourge of all civilized peoples. The last non-emperor to get an official Triumph got it for killing every German he could find between the Alps and the North Sea.
 
I feel like in most countries police don't have to press charges if they don't think a crime has been committed, or they can drop charges after an investigation and this is, at least to some extent, up to the personal judgment of law enforcement.
Police do not press charges, state attorneys do, police only has influence on wether charges are pressed in very fringe cases i.e. police officers getting insulted where the officer has some say in not having it prosecuted
It seems like, in Germany, even if the police and the judge think the parents/teachers/whoever reported this crime are innocent they were still forced to charge them and then give them a minimum of 1 year in prison? So they've completely taken human decision making out of their legal system?
They are not innocent law-wise since they did possess child and distributed it (son showing his father/father emailing the police=distribution)

In my example the state attorney luckily dropped the charges because he thought it was dumb although this would have led to a conviction if he went through with it, the boy got trialed and the judge only gave him community service because she had some leeway by calling him mentally delayed.

But in general yes, this is what minimum sentence means and why this law was actually garbage and judges and state attorneys were begging to have it removed.
I do not understand why people are sperging about a document that most of you are not even able to read because you do not speak fucking german

It does seem like the original law was broken if it was resulting in innocent people going to jail for a year for reporting a crime to the police and providing evidence of the crime. This seems like a larger issue with how they process crimes though and I don't think downgrading this specific crime to a misdemeanor is the best way to handle the issue but I'm no German law expert.
No shit the law is broken and no there is no larger issue, this is mostly an isolated issue that is the result from CDU catering to IDIOTS by passing a dumbass law that fundamentally threw back prosecution of child porn because it disincentives reporting it and overloads the already overloaded legal system with non pedophilic defendants , if you wanna punish pedos harder you should streamline policework and the legal system so you can charge more actual pedophiles.

You have no idea how long trials take in germany, but is a whole other topic
 
Why is this the only site talking about this? Every thing I've looked up about it always links to Reduxx.
Are you fucking retarded? The Bundestag itself reported this.

And yes, why does only one site on the Internet even cover it?

Oh yeah maybe because much like us, most sites that DO cover shit like this get wiped off the Internet.

Kill yourself you fucking freak.
Your impotent rage is leaking through with every letter you type. Pretty sad.
Die pedo.
 
And yes, why does only one site on the Internet even cover it?

Oh yeah maybe because much like us, most sites that DO cover shit like this get wiped off the Internet.
There are german news articles covering this although most of them are from months ago when the change made the rounds first.

One big reason for this change also is that you do not want to jail every couple under 18 years that has exchanged nudes between each other
 
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So they've completely taken human decision making out of their legal system?
Possession and distribution of child pornography consitutes what is called an Offizialdelikt in German legalese, meaning the responsible prosecutor must bring charges and the mandatory minimum of one year removed the ability of the presiding state prosecutor to drop the case. The law criminalizing possession and distribution (§184b StGB) has exceptions but these exclusively cover state-related and state-delegated functions not actions of private citizens.

As others have pointed out people in law enforcement and the legal system were bitching about the law since it's introduction for good reason.
 
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That is simply not true, exactly that will happen, one example:

Boy sees nude of minor in the whatsapp group of his class, he immediately tells his father, the father calls the police and the cop on the phone says that he should email the picture to the police station.

Result: Father and son both get trialed for possession and distribution of child porn

Even under the new law they would have been trialed: https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/105/2010540.pdf


They should of course not take this down to a misdemeanor but the original law by CDU was simply dogshit.

by passing a dumbass law that fundamentally threw back prosecution of child porn because it disincentives reporting it and overloads the already overloaded legal system with non pedophilic defendants , if you wanna punish pedos harder you should streamline policework and the legal system so you can charge more actual pedophiles.
Ok, but - why would a group like K13 press for such a change? It would be much better to keep the classification and amend the law to say that discretion is allowed for cases where the image has clearly been sent as informing law authorities, no?
 
Kill pedophiles. Behead pedophiles. Roundhouse kick a pedophile into the concrete. Slam dunk a pedophile into the trashcan. Crucify filthy pedophiles. Defecate in a pedophile's food. Launch pedophiles into the sun. Stir fry pedophiles in a wok. Toss pedophiles into active volcanoes. Urinate into a pedophile's gas tank. Judo throw pedophiles into a wood chipper. Twist pedophiles' heads off. Report pedophiles to the IRS. Karate chop pedophiles in half. Curb stomp pedophiles.

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For people that actually care about Germany, is this something you guys think may be backtracked upon? I'm unsure how cucked Germany is, but there can't possibly be enough people there to see this and agree with it...right?

Or is this just going to be one of those things that are passed silently/out of sight to prevent public outrage?
 
Ok, but - why would a group like K13 press for such a change? It would be much better to keep the classification and amend the law to say that discretion is allowed for cases where the image has clearly been sent as informing law authorities, no?
Probably because "they" are just as misinformed as people here.

I write "they" in quotes because it seems to be just one guy who is after that and this "group" also has 0 political influence
 
Ok, but - why would a group like K13 press for such a change?
It's marginalized group that celebrates whatever "win" they can get. Most pressure and agitation against the law came from within the state apparatus.
It would be much better to keep the classification and amend the law to say that discretion is allowed for cases where the image has clearly been sent as informing law authorities, no?
Why create novel legal doctrines? The underlying issue is inherited from the legal distinction between what constitutes a misdemeanor and a felony under German law and the law genrally does not create exceptions for the actions of private citizens, especially when it comes to anything approaching evidence collection/prosecution.
 
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