The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Prj4MW8iPT3vmFM2rzDc]

If you do decide to trust this random asshole on the internet I would recommend artix with open-rc and xfce. I would also highly recommend you pick btrfs as the filesystem when installing. I moved to that from windows 7 with not much linux experience and it's worked out pretty good.

If I like plasma, would it be just as good to use artix-plasma-openrc-<whateverdatestamp>-x86_64.iso ?

 

[ZMOT]

Ubuntu, mint failed me then i tried manjewro and the nividia drivers just worked and so did everything else except the app store like "add/remove software" gui tool. but every time it fails to install something, it says the library name and i just" sudo pacman -S <whatever the name the error had where it said it couldn't find it>" in terminal and it finds it just fine.

I installed opensuse on an over a decade old laptop with a 460m and it just works (on x11, wayland is a no-go). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
codec installation is a bit of a PITA, but not really much different than fedora etc.

 

[Prj4MW8iPT3vmFM2rzDc]

I installed opensuse on an over a decade old laptop with a 460m and it just works (on x11, wayland is a no-go). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
codec installation is a bit of a PITA, but not really much different than fedora etc.

Hardware power isn't an issue. This is a new build.

 

[std::string]

Ubuntu, mint failed me then i tried manjewro and the nividia drivers just worked and so did everything else

It's probably something unrelated to nvidia.

I've got three hoopty-ass computers around here that won't work with whatever kernel patches Ubuntu is applying. Stock kernels work fine.

 

[Computer Guardian]

If I like plasma, would it be just as good to use artix-plasma-openrc-<whateverdatestamp>-x86_64.iso ?

Yeah, the only major difference between the ones that contain different DEs are just that they have a different DE as the one you'd start with, alongside two "Community" versions that use GTK and QT respectively with Cinnamon and KDE as the Default DEs and a preset list of software.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Seemed like as good of a place to post this as any. Was thinking about putting it in the math thread. Don't know if its worthy or not to get some discussion on the stream.

Listening to this when he mentions the part about Linus, and the other companies not wanting people with "certain political beliefs" to use their products. It makes me think we should get some art projects started. I'm no good at Photoshop, or visual arts in general. But I think some lovely open source Nazi fan art would be lovely.


Edit. Also instead of double posting. I want to add here, I have been distro hopping recently. I'm trying to find what I actually like. And decide what to put on my laptops permanently. There is so much choice out there it makes it difficult. I decided I should stop completely setting up my computers with all my accounts because I just have to do it over again when I wipe the operating system and put a new one on. Though setting everything up does give me a decent feel of how the OS works.

So far I've given mint cinnamon, pop!_os, and manjaro. Fairly decent tries. I used Debian for about 2 days. Some things are nice with it, but it feels kinda clunky to me for whatever reason. At least compared to the others.

I have mint mate, and xfce, arch, Ubuntu, and fedora loaded onto a flash drive right now so to try.

Are there any others that you guys think I should give a go?

 

[Chen Stirner]

Linus, and the other companies not wanting people with "certain political beliefs" to use their products

Question is, how are they going to enforce that? I do like the idea of a Nazi Linux Anime Girl, though.

As for your question, I use Artix. If you want maximum flexibility, you can install it the old-fashioned way, but they also provide several live ISOs with various combinations of desktop environments and init systems. The init system I use is openrc because it's the easiest to configure. You're right about Debian being clunky. It's still a nice distro, but it's mostly designed for servers and its package manager is primitive compared to others.

 

[Prj4MW8iPT3vmFM2rzDc]

Yeah, the only major difference between the ones that contain different DEs are just that they have a different DE as the one you'd start with, alongside two "Community" versions that use GTK and QT respectively with Cinnamon and KDE as the Default DEs and a preset list of software.

thats what i figured, i just didn't know if there was a valid reason to go xfce over plasma outside of reading that xfce is better for older machines with less power/resources.

 

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The init system I use is openrc because it's the easiest to configure.

You misspelled Dinit.

 

[SCV]

If I like plasma, would it be just as good to use artix-plasma-openrc-<whateverdatestamp>-x86_64.iso ?

I recommended open-rc and xfce because they're what I use. I use open-rc because it's the most popular init that is actually an init so there's some level of documentation around it like the gentoo wiki. I actually used plasma for awhile but it would crash sometimes. Turns out the /g/ memes about >krashes are true it is really fucking annoying to just lose everything you're doing. I switched to xfce and have yet to have a crash or any other issue.

You're of course free to do what you want and supposedly plasma is fuller-featured than xfce. I'm not really sure what those features are because I just want my desktop to work and launch other programs. I think kde has extensive theme support if you want to rice. The link I embedded was just the latest weekly build with open-rc and xfce. You can find all the downloads here: https://artixlinux.org/download.php (I'm not sure why there's no weekly build for kde right now, maybe because plasma 6 only came out like a month ago?)

Edit:

Are there any others that you guys think I should give a go?

If you're looking for things to try everything you mentioned uses systemd. Try artix.

 

[deermeat]

poorfag here.
what's a good "fuck you" laptop I can get so I can install Linux and dick around on, knowing that if anything bad happens then I wasted less than $60, if its a thing? I hate how my hobbies are so expensive. I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result, I wanna fuck around and find out. Always wanted to take things apart, put them together, install random bullshit, see what happens. Trial and error all the way. Destruction not for the sake of destruction but for the experience.

I am still a newbie when it comes to coding. I just want that freedom of complete and utter failure without much sacrifice.

 

[Betonhaus]

poorfag here.
what's a good "fuck you" laptop I can get so I can install Linux and dick around on, knowing that if anything bad happens then I wasted less than $60, if its a thing? I hate how my hobbies are so expensive. I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result, I wanna fuck around and find out. Always wanted to take things apart, put them together, install random bullshit, see what happens. Trial and error all the way. Destruction not for the sake of destruction but for the experience.

I am still a newbie when it comes to coding. I just want that freedom of complete and utter failure without much sacrifice.

at $60 you're looking at facebook marketplace and maybe pawn shops, anything online at that price point would be picked over unless it's really shitty.


What is the most stable and lightweight DE? I got an old netbook I want to set up as a 3d printer running server, I'm going to throw Debian on it but the command-line power controls for laptops are a pain

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

poorfag here.
what's a good "fuck you" laptop I can get so I can install Linux and dick around on, knowing that if anything bad happens then I wasted less than $60, if its a thing? I hate how my hobbies are so expensive. I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result, I wanna fuck around and find out. Always wanted to take things apart, put them together, install random bullshit, see what happens. Trial and error all the way. Destruction not for the sake of destruction but for the experience.

I am still a newbie when it comes to coding. I just want that freedom of complete and utter failure without much sacrifice.

I recently got a refurbished thinkpad on eBay for like $200. It came with 16gb ram, a terabyte of storage, the best laptop keyboard I've tried so far, and an Intel i5 processor. For the money that's hard to beat. Plus this thing is built like a tank, and you can easy pop it open and switch parts out.

If you wanted to pay less still you can get one cheaper with a bit less memory and storage. Or just watch eBay for a good deal on one.

 

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poorfag here.
what's a good "fuck you" laptop I can get so I can install Linux and dick around on, knowing that if anything bad happens then I wasted less than $60, if its a thing? I hate how my hobbies are so expensive. I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result, I wanna fuck around and find out. Always wanted to take things apart, put them together, install random bullshit, see what happens. Trial and error all the way. Destruction not for the sake of destruction but for the experience.

I am still a newbie when it comes to coding. I just want that freedom of complete and utter failure without much sacrifice.

$60 might be difficult. Assuming you have a relatively recent (last ten years) desktop/laptop, it might be better to use VirtualBox to run linux and play with that. Or WSL if you're on a relatively recent Windows machine- lot less freedom but the main tools are still basically available- and the ability to just randomly lose everything (from Linux, not Windows) if you install a Linux distro from the Windows store.

 

[SCV]

poorfag here.
what's a good "fuck you" laptop I can get so I can install Linux and dick around on, knowing that if anything bad happens then I wasted less than $60, if its a thing? I hate how my hobbies are so expensive. I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result, I wanna fuck around and find out. Always wanted to take things apart, put them together, install random bullshit, see what happens. Trial and error all the way. Destruction not for the sake of destruction but for the experience.

I am still a newbie when it comes to coding. I just want that freedom of complete and utter failure without much sacrifice.

This might be presumptuous but "I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result" makes it sound like you think if the OS on it gets hosed the computer is ruined. You should understand that it's basically impossible to damage hardware using software and if you don't care about the files on the computer nuke + reinstall is a panacea.

As to what computer is "good" for this just any computer that works. It doesn't need to be a laptop unless you have other reasons to want that. I'm not sure if you're talking about hardware or software when you say "take things apart, put them together" but you probably want a desktop if you mean hardware. Just make sure you keep a linux live environment on a thumbdrive so you can chroot in and fix shit.

 

[geckogoy]

poorfag here.
what's a good "fuck you" laptop I can get so I can install Linux and dick around on, knowing that if anything bad happens then I wasted less than $60, if its a thing? I hate how my hobbies are so expensive. I wanna be able to dick around not caring if the machines gets fucked as a result, I wanna fuck around and find out. Always wanted to take things apart, put them together, install random bullshit, see what happens. Trial and error all the way. Destruction not for the sake of destruction but for the experience.

I am still a newbie when it comes to coding. I just want that freedom of complete and utter failure without much sacrifice.

For 60 bucks I'd suggest getting some old prebuilt instead tbh. Like just put 'dell desktop' or 'hp desktop' into ebay and scroll a bit, this is a pretty good deal for instance (many dont come with hdd)

 

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As to what computer is "good" for this just any computer that works. It doesn't need to be a laptop unless you have other reasons to want that. I'm not sure if you're talking about hardware or software when you say "take things apart, put them together" but you probably want a desktop if you mean hardware. Just make sure you keep a linux live environment on a thumbdrive so you can chroot in and fix shit.

Only as long as this is separate from any hardware that he really needs to be able to use.

It used to be trivially easy to dual boot Linux and Windows, as long as you resized the old Windows partition with appropriate software you couldn't even fuck up and destroy data on the old Windows partition. Nowadays with the overly gay and confusing way UEFI works you can fuck things up enough that it takes a lot of extended digging and maybe creating new USB boot drives from another working computer to get Windows booting again. That's really frustrating if you either a) need to use something on Windows b) have something important on your Windows partition that isn't backed up elsewhere.

If you don't have experience with Linux, and your only hardware needs to be usable with Windows for something critical that requires Windows, you should start off by using a VM or get other hardware.

 

[Civillian 18]

Only as long as this is separate from any hardware that he really needs to be able to use.

It used to be trivially easy to dual boot Linux and Windows, as long as you resized the old Windows partition with appropriate software you couldn't even fuck up and destroy data on the old Windows partition. Nowadays with the overly gay and confusing way UEFI works you can fuck things up enough that it takes a lot of extended digging and maybe creating new USB boot drives from another working computer to get Windows booting again. That's really frustrating if you either a) need to use something on Windows b) have something important on your Windows partition that isn't backed up elsewhere.

If you don't have experience with Linux, and your only hardware needs to be usable with Windows for something critical that requires Windows, you should start off by using a VM or get other hardware.

Can this also not be mitigated by installing Windows first, followed by Linux, to prevent Windows from cockmangling the partition?

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

thinking of switching back to Arch/Endeavor or just moving to a stable release like Fedora/Debian cause Tumbleweed's updates take fucking forever

 

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Can this also not be mitigated by installing Windows first, followed by Linux, to prevent Windows from cockmangling the partition?

Nah, it's just not safe. This was sufficient 100% of the time when we had normal, sensible MBR partitions, and all the bootloader shit just went at the start of a primary partition. But mixing UEFI garbage in where things just randomly get loaded from some weird hidden partition just makes things too confusing. Things PROBABLY won't get broken at least 90% of the time but if they do then you are going to be dealing with a whole lot of problems and it's easy to fuck up and make mistakes that could lead to irreversible data loss- especially if it's the first time that you're dealing with Linux. Not a problem if you back everything up and don't need anything in Windows to work for a day or two, but it's not safe like it used to be prior to 'progress'.

You need to be especially careful (and back up your Bitlocker recovery keys) if you're using Windows with Bitlocker (which is now the default for new installs).