Mike Peinovich / Mike Enoch & The Right Stuff (therightstuff.biz) - Lazy Podcasting Clique, Pepe the Frog Fetishists, Doxed by /pol/, Fed Honeypot for Gullible Neo-Nazi Conspiracy Theorists.

So just say that: "White Christians are my enemies, not Jews."
They are both ideologies waiting for a Jewish messiah.
Christianity to me is exactly the same as Q-anon an ideology that pacifies White right wingers.
Christians "I don't have to do anything, it's all God's plan" Q-tards "Trust the Plan"
Christians "It doesn't matter because once Jesus Christ comes back justice will be served" Q-trads "We Know What Happens In The End. God Wins"

Totally disagree
One common belief, particularly among certain evangelical and dispensationalist Christian groups, is that the restoration of Israel and the return of Jews to the land of Israel are signs of the end times. According to this view, the reestablishment of Israel as a nation in 1948 is seen as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and a precursor to the return of Jesus Christ.

Some Christians also believe that there will be a period of tribulation or turmoil preceding the second coming of Christ, during which Jews and the nation of Israel will play a significant role. This period may involve conflicts and persecution, but it is also seen as a time when many Jews will come to recognize Jesus as the Messiah and embrace Christianity.

Additionally, certain passages in the New Testament, such as Romans 11, are interpreted by some Christians as suggesting that there will be a future mass conversion of Jews to Christianity, leading to spiritual renewal and blessing for both Jews and Gentiles.

For some Christians the Antichrist is seen as a false messiah who deceives many and establishes a global reign before the second coming of Jesus Christ. Some proponents of this view may associate the Antichrist with figures or movements in contemporary geopolitics, including those related to Israel or Jewish leadership.

In short, there is no second coming of Christ without Jews.

And your personal fringe beliefs don't matter when discussing the whole of Christianity; only beliefs with a sizable number matter.

and this has been the tired cry of old neo-Nazi cranks for 75 years.
I mean they are neo-Nazis they do take a lot from the actual NSDAP, but over all Neo-Nazis were far less interested in getting rid of Christianity than the NSDAP.
The NSDAP did paganize Christianity and had the goal to revitalize ancient European religions and rid themselves from Christianity.

There have been many European thinkers that see Christianity as a detriment to White people from Nietzsche to Lovecraft.
We of course don't have much from medieval time because those writings would have been destroyed by the Church and many of the critics burned at the stake.

Doubtful they ever did, tbh.
Anybody in ancient times who supposedly believed in those "gods" (characters) are the retards who now in 2024 talk about Harry Potter and Star Wars characters in the first person as though they're real people. (I.e., "I think that Rey and Kylo would have made a great couple. However, Luke traumatized Kylo so much that I don't know he can ever love again.")
Cool anti-White rant calling all your pre-Christian ancestors retards.

Anybody not indoctrinated into Pagan Religions doesn't believe it
Anybody not indoctrinated into Christianity doesn't believe it
What is your point?

@American Castration wow why do you hate pagans so much, almost as much as Jews hate pagans.
And you really seem to think all your pre-Christian ancestors were complete retarded savages, you should grovel before the Jews for giving you the gift of the Torah and their Jewish messiah they rejected.

I could of course bring up all the Judeo-Christians which are the vast majority of Christianity today and the biggest supporters of Judaism and Israel.
I could also bring up that there are even more Christian NGOs that help facilitate mass immigration that Jewish ones, but the Jewish ones are definitely the power players.

I never stated I am a pagan btw.


I am willing to hear you out despite all your anti-White rhetoric.
Make your case: why does Christianity (and to be clear, we are talking about Christianity, not European traditions) help European people?
 
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This post is essentially an essay response to @The Tall Man. It's almost entirely not on topic for the thread, and I promise not to reply to him further. I just feel obligated to correct what's been said so people unfamiliar with the topic won't just assume the shit he's saying is true in any way.

Do you believe the history found in the OT is actual real history?
I'm sure some of it happened in one way or another, like most myths. The story of David in particular strikes me as mythologized history.

Christianity denies blood and soil
It doesn't. Genesis actually explicitly refers to different peoples having their own languages and lands, as ordained by God. Egypt is the land of Egyptians. Babylon is the land of the Chaldeans. Persia the land of the Persians. There is no indication that peoples don't belong to their lands and vice versa. What you're doing is taking subverted Christianity, for which there is no tradition or scriptural basis, and treating it as though that's what Christianity actually is. Which is ridiculous, because Christians throughout history practiced a blood and soil mentality. When the Greeks converted they didn't start inviting in other ethnic groups. Neither did the Romans or any of the barbarian tribes. What was the Reconquista if not one massive example of Christians practicing a blood and soil mentality? They didn't just push Islam out, they actively persecuted even the Andalusians who converted to Christianity.

But there are good argument to be made why as a Christian you need to have the Jewish people survive.
It is said that they will convert in the end times, that means God wants them to survive until the very end.
No. This is a modern, dispensationalist belief. The traditional interpretation of Revelation does not take references to Israel or Jews to mean the literal nation and ethnic group. I guess in a sense your idea of Christianity actually is Jewish, because you're ignoring Christian tradition in favor of holding up the subversion as the real thing.

What is a Jew to someone that believes in any Pagan Gods?
There's not a real answer to this question, because there aren't any defined Pagan religions. The majority of people who call themselves Pagan are liberals who would disown any WN Pagan in an instant.

What is a Jew to a "anti-Semitic" Christian?
The descendant of a cursed lineage guilty of deicide. Martin Luther argued for the princes to shut down Jewish schools and religious institutions, in an effort to wipe out their demonic culture. I don't think that kind of anti-semitism should be put in quotation marks. It seems pretty genuine to me.

The nation of prophets according to the OT.
The nation that rejected the prophets.

A people that believe in a lot of the same things
Not even close.

But for Jesus to come back they have to survive and even thrive.
No they don't.

Because the rise of the Anti-Christ is the Jewish Mashiach and once the Jewish Mashiach has subjugate the world, Jesus floats down from the clouds and all Christians will have eternal life.
The anti-Christ is accepted by just about everyone. Jews don't have to dominate the world for that to be the case. They're just one of many peoples being deceived. And Jesus doesn't just return, he leads an army in the total destruction of his enemies. So if the anti-Christ is an ethnic Jew and the narrative is about Jews dominating the world, then that means that the Biblical narrative is explicitly stating that the mass slaughter of the Jewish people specifically is an objectively good thing. But you're choosing to dismiss that part of the book as "Jesus floats down from the clouds". But of course, the book of Revelations is not about Jews dominating the world, because it's not even really about events in our own future. John was simply writing about the time he lived in, using symbolic language and predicting a bright future for the Christian faithful.

I could go on about this topic for hours, but I'll simply say this: Literacy and the proliferation of printed texts was the worst thing that could have happened to religion. Now every layperson can read religious works for themselves, despite a great number of them clearly being written with deliberate esoteric meaning that the average person simply won't have the means to understand without thorough study.

90% of what is called Christian tradition is pagan anyway.
And?

The truth is Christianity is a veneer plastered over ancient European traditions
No, Christianity is - or rather was - the evolution of European philosophical thought. Socrates was talking about a single, loving, all-good God several hundred years before Christ was born. The person of Jesus Christ, real or imagined, embodied an ideal of selflessness and wisdom that was easy for the Greeks to adopt. From there it spread like wildfire. All of the things you listed (except the Christmas tree, which is actually rather modern) were never thought of as being Christian in origin. They were local, cultural traditions that people simply didn't stop practicing. The "Pagan" Easter and Christian Easter aren't the same holidays, by the way. The Christian celebration of Christ's resurrection just happens to fall around the same time as Spring celebrations.

And there are several explicitly Christian holidays that our ancestors practiced that you're not mentioning. Again, because your understanding of Christianity is relegated solely to the modern American kinds. Pentecost, Ash Wednesday, Palm Sunday, Good Friday; These things all used to mean a lot to European people. In some places they still do.

Maimonides one of the most important Jewish sages preached this view about Christianity
Okay. What's your point? For every Jewish thinker that thinks Christianity's a good thing there are at least a hundred others who think the opposite.

Christians and Muslims doing the dirty work for Judaism.
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Sure, it's unfortunate that statues were vandalized, but the idea that it was done for some Talmudic reason is utterly retarded. Christianity predates the Talmud. Defacing the idols of opposing religions isn't a uniquely Jewish concept, by the way. The Romans took idols from the people they conquered all the time, especially those made of gold. Moreover, that statue on the left that you're using as an example isn't even an idol. It's a statue of Germanicus, who was probably hated on account of being the son of one of Rome's worst emperors.

If Christians were so invested in destroying these things, why have they preserved so many of them? A great number of them are kept in the Vatican Museum, at the heart of the most popular Christian denomination.

What did Christianity and Islam do for the Jewish people.
Diluted their genetic stock, actively persecuted them, sometimes massacred them, etc.

It kept them alive and separate as a distinct identity for 2000 years even though they didn't have a country anymore.
You act like this is some kind of amazing feat. It's not. Most peoples that existed in the ancient times still exist in some capacity, separate and distinct. Essentially what you're saying is that Christians and Muslims should've just killed them all. And it's fine if you feel that way, but you can't seriously claim that there was an active effort to keep them alive. If Christianity and Islam were both Jewish controlled, then Jews would've gone back to Israel centuries ago and had their own state again. But they weren't able to.

I find it hard to believe you're not a bad actor. No offense, but this Adam Green shit is just what Christian Identity does, but the opposite. Instead of treating Jews like just another ethnic group with its own interests, your theory elevates them to unparalleled masterminds that have controlled the western world for two thousand years. But more importantly, everything you says is so indicative of a total ignorance of European history that it's hard to believe you're not actively trying to deceive people.

To this day Jews hold a special place in Christianity, especially regarding the end times and of course in affirming the Jewish myths.
Not "To this day". It's a totally new development, almost entirely unique to American Evangelicals.
 
I just feel obligated to correct what's been said so people unfamiliar with the topic won't just assume the shit he's saying is true in any way.
Your whole post is without substance and you could have achieved the same by using :disagree:

Most of your response is simply, "no, that is not true," despite it being obviously true.

Like when you deny the fact that Jews believe in many of the same things as Christians. The Old Testament comprises 80% of the Bible, which is shared between Judaism and Christianity, you midwit.

There is also a lot of really dumb orthobro garbage.

Stating that Christianity predates the Talmud is such a nonsensical statement. Jews had the Torah, engaging in various written discussions about it and developing oral laws regarding Torah and Jewish culture.

The Talmud is the name given to a unified collection of written and oral Jewish law based on the Torah. Most of it existed before Christianity and continues to evolve to this day.

Regarding Maimonides, Jewish culture reveres him comparably to an apostle in terms of importance. Similarly, the Rebbe, who is likened to a pope or a king, and even seen as the messiah by some, shares the opinion that Christianity needs to adapt but is ultimately beneficial for Jews.

Most of the upper class view Christianity and Islam as advantageous to Judaism, not only because spreading the Torah and belief in Yahweh worldwide is a religious duty, but also because it facilitated their survival and prosperity.

If you love Christianity so much and you think it's such a great thing become a missionary and convert Africans.

Instead of treating Jews like just another ethnic group with its own interests, your theory elevates them to unparalleled masterminds that have controlled the western world for two thousand years.
Is the majority of Christianity today philosemitic?
You yourself claim this got worse over time and I agree. Christianity is built to be subverted.
You are not considering that Christianity doesn't really exist at a significant size before the 1500.
Before that it's the church demanding allegiance to them but not giving a fuck about teaching the peasants what is in the bible.
It's just the Roman Empire with a cross as a symbol.
There is a big overlap of being more bible literate and more philosemitic.

Christianity is a revolutionary ideology and it was meant to disrupt Rome.
It tells the lower classes that they are in fact more virtuous than the upper classes, turning society upside down.
But Rome took it and made it their own, which had little to do with actual scripture.

80% of the bible is directly Jewish philosophy and myths, this always gives them a way to infiltrate Christianity.
 
Are you a Muslim?
I know they believe that Jews don't existed and that Abraham and everything in the Torah was actually Muslim not Jewish.

Or do you have some other crazy conspiracy why Islam didn't come from Judaism?
Let's hear it.
As someone who has actually studied 7th century history, I can say definitively it did not.

Looking at the rest of your posts, you seem to be arguing for the "the Jews invented Christianity to enslave the White Man" as well as other "the jews did everything under the sun" conspiracism.

There is no productive argument to be had, with someone so divorced from reality.

"Christianity is a grand jewish conspiracy to destroy the Aryan race" conspiracies are unironically the most philosemitic nonsense one could imagine. To input such power to the Jews makes them effectively gods or otherwise supernatural in a way gentiles are not.

One can argue for a Nietzchean "Christianity is slave morality, pity for the lower dooms us" argument, but this sort of conspiracy theory is nonsensical as it is unproductive.

As for the "Christianity is Jewish subversion" argument-its old hat and convinces no one at all. I don't have the patience to argue with people who believe it.

As for the Old Testament and New Testament's historicity-I'm inclined to take a maximalist view, David and Solomon existed, Israel existed as a united monarchy in the 10th century BC-nearly every Israelite king post 9th century is mentioned in Assyrian sources at least.


The Book of Acts is remarkably accurate in terms of historical details-place names and people, whatever one may say of the Bible-it does not present a narrative of some sort of mythologized "before time".

As it happens-a revival of European paganism is impossible. Most europeans are secular, or irreligious, and Christianity quite simply offered things the old religion could or did not. (Any argument that Christianity is a Jewish invention has to contend with the fact that it appealed to europeans-and indeed many romans and greeks, for various reasons and old pagan cults were becoming increasingly unattractive and unsatisfying at meeting people's spiritual needs).

Not to mention, its ahistorical. "White guilt" is an extremely recent historical phenomenon. Open borders? A conscious policy choice made in the last forty years. Emancipation of blacks? Would it kill you to learn the bible never actually condemns slavery?

I could go on, and I know I'll be arguing with a brick wall.

But I digress.

And you really seem to think all your pre-Christian ancestors were complete retarded savages, you should grovel before the Jews for giving you the gift of the Torah and their Jewish messiah they rejected.
I wouldn't go so far as calling pagans stupid. I would say however Christianity is a much more attractive and compelling religion than what paganism actually offered.

Christianity-no more sacrifice or need to appease a deity's anger
Christianity-a promise of heaven for all classes in society, not simply warriors or the gods' favorites(like Elysium or Valhalla)
Christianity-a God that cares. Pagan gods were rightly viewed as immoral and capricious. That definitely did not answer all their follower's prayers.
Christianity-intellectual power. A systematized theology and a complete narrative for the world and the faithful-Julian the Apostate actually understood Christianity appealed more to the educated for this reason. Pagan religions with no systematized theology or set of doctrines and principles, only unwritten customs and regional differences in belief and practice was shown as unable to compete.
Christianity-compassion for slaves, women, and the lower orders. Who had gained nothing and had no reason to follow old religions that continued to degrade and chain them.

I could list others-but there are a vast number of actual reasons why Christianity prevailed over paganism.
 
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Christianity-no more sacrifice or need to appease a deity's anger
Christianity-a promise of heaven for all classes in society, not simply warriors or the gods' favorites(like Elysium or Valhalla)
Christianity-a God that cares. Pagan gods were rightly viewed as immoral and capricious. That definitely did not answer all their follower's prayers.
Christianity-intellectual power. A systematized theology and a complete narrative for the world and the faithful-Julian the Apostate actually understood Christianity appealed more to the educated for this reason. Pagan religions with no systematized theology or set of doctrines and principles, only unwritten customs and regional differences in belief and practice was shown as unable to compete.
Christianity-compassion for slaves, women, and the lower orders. Who had gained nothing and had no reason to follow old religions that continued to degrade and chain them.

Don't give the neo-Nazi fedoras any ideas: They're likely to copypasta this and use it to say they need to concoct a new fake religion that matches these ideas. It's all just showbiz to them.

The fundamental point is actual faith itself. If one believes the universe and life had a Creator, their worldview is going to be profoundly different than those who believe the universe and the life came about through natural (read: random) incidents.

(My personal theory is that there aren't any actual atheists or polytheists. In our hearts, I believe that everybody knows there is one God. The real inner debate within us all is whether that Creator actually cares about us or is indifferent to us.)
 
The problem for Neo Nazis and others like them here is they see religion in strictly instrumentalist terms. That is, how useful/profitable/congenial to material political interests is it? Is it helping or hindering our cause? If its not-it must be viewed with suspicion and rejected. If it is, it should be supported whether or not you actually believe it. Its profoundly cynical.

They are not interested in actual religious questions-for example is Jesus really the Messiah, if he isn't then this entire debate is rather pointless. Only where a religion came from in terms of its ethnos-thus understood as a form of racial propaganda or outright warfare.

"Paganism was great, the Jews subverted it'-okay are the pagan gods actually real? And even if they aren't, why are they failing to keep their supporters? Maybe they aren't real? Or at best-they and the religion around them is simply incapable of answering what people actually want from their gods?

This entire attitude that a religion is judged according to something like the ethnic origin of its founders, as opposed to you know-its epistemic truth claims, is odious in the extreme
 
The problem for Neo Nazis and others like them here is they see religion in strictly instrumentalist terms. That is, how useful/profitable/congenial to material political interests is it? Is it helping or hindering our cause? If its not-it must be viewed with suspicion and rejected. If it is, it should be supported whether or not you actually believe it. Its profoundly cynical.

They are not interested in actual religious questions-for example is Jesus really the Messiah, if he isn't then this entire debate is rather pointless. Only where a religion came from in terms of its ethnos-thus understood as a form of racial propaganda or outright warfare.

"Paganism was great, the Jews subverted it'-okay are the pagan gods actually real? And even if they aren't, why are they failing to keep their supporters? Maybe they aren't real? Or at best-they and the religion around them is simply incapable of answering what people actually want from their gods?

This entire attitude that a religion is judged according to something like the ethnic origin of its founders, as opposed to you know-its epistemic truth claims, is odious in the extreme

Right. They view religion the same way a televangelist or slimey politician does: Can I grift off this? I don't believe it, but can I get others to believe it to extract wealth and power from them?

But there's a catch: Because any believer in a Creator will necessarily believe the Creator created the universe - all life, including all humanity - the neo-Nazis must reject religion. Because, to them, although there is no Creator and god is fake, if there were a Creator....he would only create white people. Thus, calling a faith "universalist" is, to them, the ultimate GOTCHA! against Christians. They're infuriated because Christians just shrug and go, "Right, God created the universe. That's kinda the whole idea here, chief."

So, the neo-Nazis try to claim that, once upon a time, there were a million little gods for every little clan on Earth, and everybody should go back to pretend to believe in those supposed tribal deities. (Although, again, I think that 99% of ancient religious doctrine is bullshit made up in the past century, a'la Joseph Campbell.)
 
Far right discourse on religion is predicated on religion's instrumental value, not its truth value or even its personalist value.

To explain what I mean

Let me give a brief example.

"Christianity is good because it demands strong morals-heterosexual marriage, prohibits degenerate behavior, etc... thus as a society we should uphold and support it because its good for the social order"

"Christianity is bad because its a jewish import, that makes our people more accepting of outsiders or it causes them to disrespect their ancestral traditions."

"Paganism is bad because the gods in greek myths are basically giant immoral humans with immortality"(something Plato actually said btw), it gives no solid moral framework for a population and succumbs easily to any religion that is more systematized than it"

"Paganism is good because its values are our values-it is of our blood, our customs, our ancestors, the stories and myths give strength and encouragement while tying our people to their identity"

Compare this to truth values

"Christianity is good because its true, therefore everyone should be Christian"

"Paganism is bad because its false, or well at best it may give meaning and encouragement to individuals looking for alternatives"

Which leads into personalist or I guess one could say emotional value-"X religion is good because it saved me from drug addiction, or I personally find it aesthetically pleasing"

Nearly all discourse you see on Christianity vis a vis paganism or some sort of atheism with pagan dressing is under the former discourse. "What good is religion for our society?" "Does it align with the character and needs of our race?" "Is it harming our society or weakening our race?" "Did it emerge from our own ancestors, or did another group bring it to us"

Arguments about jewish subversion and even Nietzchean "slave morality" discourse are not interested in whether or not a religion is true-in fact most people who engage in this sort of argument are irreligious or atheist, they are not interested in whether or not a particular deity exists or a religion has made fundamentally true claims-but what is it doing or not doing for us in terms of social organizing or making us stronger for a conflict?

(BTW I'm not intending the above for people here, as much as any lurkers reading the above-I feel like this primer is necessary for outsiders).
 
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I hate everyone in this thread so much, it's unreal.
 
your own thread that you made, or everyone in that post you made?
anyway, i like this guy
I hate that people can't keep this thread on topic and instead every discussion devolves into irrelevant spats and, to quote a Borzism, theoryceling. I'm frustrated and disappointed with the users in this thread. The people involved in my OP are currently to blame for the current shitshow, but they are far from the only offenders. A-logs are the niggers of the world.
 
instead every discussion devolves into irrelevant spats
You're being a little overdramatic about it. Apart from two specific spergs it's really not bad. Especially compared to some more popular threads. Like the Fuentes one, where every other post is someone just saying that he's gay or making some other equally pointless and repetitive observation. But if it really bother you so much then talk to a mod about it or something. I wouldn't be against having the thread locked until an actually important happening occurs.
 
You're being a little overdramatic about it. Apart from two specific spergs it's really not bad. Especially compared to some more popular threads. Like the Fuentes one, where every other post is someone just saying that he's gay or making some other equally pointless and repetitive observation. But if it really bother you so much then talk to a mod about it or something. I wouldn't be against having the thread locked until an actually important happening occurs.
You were the faggot chugging out effortpost after effortpost about the Gaza Strip in this thread, and you think you can call others "spergs".

TRS is dead and Mike Enoch is in his late middle ages living a comfortable life with an aged-out dominatrix. The NJP break up was the last possible relevancy this thread could have.

It's now just a catch-all thread for Gen X neo-Nazis and their failures. TRS and Mike Enoch are just the main figureheads for that era.

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mike should have left trs and continued doing s&m on a new platform. there would've been a small financial hit at first, but eventually their subscriber base would have returned, potentially even getting bigger than it ever was at trs (because s&m was good shit, let's be honest). that could also have paved the way for future wn activism.

instead he played it safe and stayed with sven and his coomhubble. now his income will slowly but surely dwindle as time goes on. i imagine another reason he stayed with trs is because he feels that he "owes" that to mcnabb and sven. i mean, if he left i don't see anyone renewing their trs subs, which means no more money for sven or alex.
 
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