‘I’m 28. And I’m Scheduled to Die in May.’ - Some right-to-die activists want everyone to have access to euthanasia—even young people with mental illness. Are they also making suicide contagious?

Zoraya ter Beek, 28, expects to be euthanized in early May.

Her plan, she said, is to be cremated.

“I did not want to burden my partner with having to keep the grave tidy,” ter Beek texted me. “We have not picked an urn yet, but that will be my new house!”

She added an urn emoji after “house!”

Ter Beek, who lives in a little Dutch town near the German border, once had ambitions to become a psychiatrist, but she was never able to muster the will to finish school or start a career. She said she was hobbled by her depression and autism and borderline personality disorder. Now she was tired of living—despite, she said, being in love with her boyfriend, a 40-year-old IT programmer, and living in a nice house with their two cats.

She recalled her psychiatrist telling her that they had tried everything, that “there’s nothing more we can do for you. It’s never gonna get any better.”

At that point, she said, she decided to die. “I was always very clear that if it doesn’t get better, I can’t do this anymore.”

As if to advertise her hopelessness, ter Beek has a tattoo of a “tree of life” on her upper left arm, but “in reverse.”

“Where the tree of life stands for growth and new beginnings,” she texted, “my tree is the opposite. It is losing its leaves, it is dying. And once the tree died, the bird flew out of it. I don’t see it as my soul leaving, but more as myself being freed from life.”

Her liberation, as it were, will take place at her home. “No music,” she said. “I will be going on the couch in the living room.”

She added: “The doctor really takes her time. It is not that they walk in and say: lay down please! Most of the time it is first a cup of coffee to settle the nerves and create a soft atmosphere. Then she asks if I am ready. I will take my place on the couch. She will once again ask if I am sure, and she will start up the procedure and wish me a good journey. Or, in my case, a nice nap, because I hate it if people say, ‘Safe journey.’ I’m not going anywhere.”

Then the doctor will administer a sedative, followed by a drug that will stop ter Beek’s heart.

When she’s dead, a euthanasia review committee will evaluate her death to ensure the doctor adhered to “due care criteria,” and the Dutch government will (almost certainly) declare that the life of Zoraya ter Beek was lawfully ended.

She’s asked her boyfriend to be with her to the very end.

There won’t be any funeral. She doesn’t have much family; she doesn’t think her friends will feel like going. Instead, her boyfriend will scatter her ashes in “a nice spot in the woods” that they have chosen together, she said.

“I’m a little afraid of dying, because it’s the ultimate unknown,” she said. “We don’t really know what’s next—or is there nothing? That’s the scary part.”

Ter Beek is one of a growing number of people across the West choosing to end their lives rather than live in pain. Pain that, in many cases, can be treated.

Typically, when we think of people who are considering assisted suicide, we think of people facing terminal illness. But this new group is suffering from other syndromes—depression or anxiety exacerbated, they say, by economic uncertainty, the climate, social media, and a seemingly limitless array of fears and disappointments.

“I’m seeing euthanasia as some sort of acceptable option brought to the table by physicians, by psychiatrists, when previously it was the ultimate last resort,” Stef Groenewoud, a healthcare ethicist at Theological University Kampen, in the Netherlands, told me. “I see the phenomenon especially in people with psychiatric diseases, and especially young people with psychiatric disorders, where the healthcare professional seems to give up on them more easily than before.”

Theo Boer, a healthcare ethics professor at Protestant Theological University in Groningen, served for a decade on a euthanasia review board in the Netherlands. “I entered the review committee in 2005, and I was there until 2014,” Boer told me. “In those years, I saw the Dutch euthanasia practice evolve from death being a last resort to death being a default option.” He ultimately resigned.

Boer had in mind people like Zoraya ter Beek—who, critics argue, have been tacitly encouraged to kill themselves by laws that destigmatize suicide, a social media culture that glamorizes it, and radical right-to-die activists who insist we should be free to kill ourselves whenever our lives are “complete.”

They have fallen victim, in critics’ eyes, to a kind of suicide contagion.

Statistics suggest these critics have a point.

In 2001, the Netherlands became the first country in the world to make euthanasia legal. Since then, the number of people who increasingly choose to die is startling.

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been saying it for awhile on here. the posters have been trained to view everything as an us vs them culture war. its ridiculous
Government-assisted suicide is one of those giant red-flag nuclear klaxon topics that *EVERYONE* should be able to unite against, political persuasion be damned.

Never mind even all the other things that are wrong with this story, fuck any government being able to suicide people. I've always been fairly neutral on the death penalty, but if it opens the door for government sanctioned MAID then fuck the death penalty too.
 
She, a young person of able body and (besides depression) sound mind, "wanted" to die for years upon years and yet couldn't achieve her goal without it being done for her, or rather, to her, by the state. Without meaning to encourage the idea, anyone with an ounce of initiative can figure out how to kill themselves in relative comfort and cleanliness with a high likelihood. It's simply a matter of true will deep down. The fact that she was suicidal for most of her life but couldn't actually jump the hurdle unaided is all the hesitation needed to convince me that from a moral standpoint, she didn't have her death "assisted", she was killed.
We literally have the creator of a suicide forum on the farms that is full of instructions on how to kill yourself painlessly.
 
She, a young person of able body and (besides depression) sound mind, "wanted" to die for years upon years and yet couldn't achieve her goal without it being done for her, or rather, to her, by the state. Without meaning to encourage the idea, anyone with an ounce of initiative can figure out how to kill themselves in relative comfort and cleanliness with a high likelihood. It's simply a matter of true will deep down. The fact that she was suicidal for most of her life but couldn't actually jump the hurdle unaided is all the hesitation needed to convince me that from a moral standpoint, she didn't have her death "assisted", she was killed.
It really questions the definition of "suicidal," doesn't it? If someone is truly suicidal, do they need assistance in committing it?

I vote "no."

This strikes me as someone who obsessively romanticized suicide in her mind, but didn't fully understand the actual implications of death. As such, for the government to sanction her killing is unconsionable. This is eugenics, pure and simple.
 
We literally have the creator of a suicide forum on the farms that is full of instructions on how to kill yourself painlessly.

It really questions the definition of "suicidal," doesn't it? If someone is truly suicidal, do they need assistance in committing it?

I vote "no."

This strikes me as someone who obsessively romanticized suicide in her mind, but didn't fully understand the actual implications of death. As such, for the government to sanction her killing is unconsionable. This is eugenics, pure and simple.
I posit these are different. Putting information out there for people who are dead set on ending their lives to do so in a painless way is different than setting up a whole medical official apparatus for people to do so.
Zoraya was a woman with BPD, so she was only interested in doing the socially approved thing.
 
Putting information out there for people who are dead set on ending their lives to do so in a painless way is different than setting up a whole medical official apparatus for people to do so.
right, I agree with this.
It's not a trivial distinction, but rather one of the fundamental tenets of civilization. You wanna off yourself, fine, have at it, that's your business - but human beings do not have the right to kill *one another.*

Euthanasia is debatable in instances where someone is going to die anyway and they're in excruciating physical pain, but a perfectly healthy woman whose distress is entirely mental? AND THE FUCKING DOCTOR SAYS "There's nothing more we can do for you"??

This is a nightmare come true. It's literally the plot of Logan's Run.
 
right, I agree with this.
It's not a trivial distinction, but rather one of the fundamental tenets of civilization. You wanna off yourself, fine, have at it, that's your business - but human beings do not have the right to kill *one another.*
Most civilisations have been anti-suicide because it so frequently causes a suicide cluster response around the victim - one of the biggest warning signs to take a patient's suicidal ideation seriously is if they themselves have had someone close to them commit suicide even in the past, and it's not just a genetic history of mental illness, it's friends too. There can be social contagion too - the novel Sorrows of Young Werther supposedly caused one in the 18th century.

I've only heard about this here, so I don't know how much real time publicity this is getting, but the idea that we're starting to maybe come out of one social contagion (trans surgery) as the earliest examples hit probably 30-40, and head right into government assisted suicide feels like it has some really dark implications. Like a big part of this for Zoraya was the negative aftereffects from too much ECT ... so the doctors get paid to fuck you up and then get paid to dispatch you so that the state doesn't have to bear the consequences of having fucked you up. And then we all highlight it as the answer through blogs, social media and the news.
 
As far as goths go, she was a fucking poser.

A real goth would have slit her wrists to bleed to death or set herself on fire. Chloe Segal was more goth than her. At least setting herself on fire in protest of something without warning would have been a badass way to die.

Imagine having a brave transwoman die in a far more gothic manner than you.
 
My wife and I have a standing agreement that if one of us goes early then the other has to let the dogs see our body at the mortician so they understand.
Unfortunately, I have a suspicion they won't understand. Their humans are alive and moving around. They make eye contact, they make noises, their hearts beat. What are these things that look and smell kind of like their humans but don't do these things? These things can't be their humans.

We interface with dogs so well because (among other factors) we are both from a social species. I know dogs can grieve, but I think they probably grieve the loss of presence without understanding death as a state. But it's possible some dogs may be keener to understand than others.
 
Most civilisations have been anti-suicide because it so frequently causes a suicide cluster response around the victim - one of the biggest warning signs to take a patient's suicidal ideation seriously is if they themselves have had someone close to them commit suicide even in the past, and it's not just a genetic history of mental illness, it's friends too. There can be social contagion too - the novel Sorrows of Young Werther supposedly caused one in the 18th century.
The woman my cousin divorced KHS the exact same age as her father KHS. I can't even put into words how cruel that was to her teenage child.
I hate how MAiD adds an dollop of establishment legitimacy to such a crazy act.
 
The combination of victim/grievance/hyperventilation reinforcement culture in young westerners and an assisted murder industry is going to be disastrous to so many lives.
The therapy and "every feeling is real and valid" culture, along with the idea that any mental/emotional adversity is going to destroy you.. Has lead to a generation of people not only just looking for a reason to feel victimized, but also with a sense of perpetual hopelessness and inability to tolerate even the mildly unpleasant. Convinced that they can't "get over it" or deal.


The issue is giving the government a role in it. If you can be legally killed for mental illness, you can be arrested for wrongthink, sectioned, and gotten rid of easily and cleanly. Remember the Trudeau regime wanted to class racism as a mental illness.
This is what the Soviets used to do. They’d diagnose someone with ‘sluggish schizophrenia’ and they’d disappear into an asylum and either die or be so damaged they were no longer a threat.
If she wants to die she can do it herself.

Yup, all of this! It is so damn dangerous. One of the biggest fears is it becoming so normalized that it becomes a social pressure or full (or sole) medical option. But there is also an even scarier threat from a government with that kind of power. Especially with the legal official ease supporters demand and the implementation of these things make it.

We've watched as an out of control scenario already began playing out in CN. One by one, they increased the scope and reasoning.

That last part in bold was always my argument. I'm not against someone wanting to die, if you want to kill yourself then go ahead. Don't expect society, let alone government to help you though! If it's just because of mental problems or something.. I also don't have a problem with society trying to stop you either. Many people that try seriously and survive, say that they instantly regret it. That's what makes this so sinister. We already have stories of people changing their mind but refused help. In a medical setting it becomes so perverse and gross.
 
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Yup, all of this! It is so damn dangerous. One of the biggest fears is it becoming so normalized that it becomes a social pressure or full (or sole) medical option. But their is also an even scarier threat from a government with that kind of power. Especially with the legal official ease supporters demand and the implementation of these things make it.

We've watched as an out of control scenario already began playing out in CN. One by one, they increased the scope and reasoning.

That last part in bold was always my argument. I'm not against someone wanting to die, if you want to kill yourself then go ahead. Don't excpect society, let alone government to help you though! If it's just because of mental problems or something.. I also don't have a problem with society trying to stop you either. Many people that try seriously and survive, say that they instantly regret it. That's what makes this so sinister. We already have stories of people changing their mind but refused help. In a medical setting it becomes so perverse and gross.
It wasnt the government though. It was the medical system. the government simply enabled it
 
It wasnt the government though. It was the medical system. the government simply enabled it

I was talking about the dangers of an out of control or despotic one. A totalitarian or authoritarian one, in a society where this shit is normalized for things like mental illness. The dangers of opening this box are numerous and profound. Not always in ways that are easy to predict.
 
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Government-assisted suicide is one of those giant red-flag nuclear klaxon topics that *EVERYONE* should be able to unite against, political persuasion be damned.

Never mind even all the other things that are wrong with this story, fuck any government being able to suicide people. I've always been fairly neutral on the death penalty, but if it opens the door for government sanctioned MAID then fuck the death penalty too.
There was a day when even hinting at eugenics or assisted suicide would get you demonized as a nazi. Left, Right, Center, and anything in between because this lesson was learned in an awful manner during the 1940s. The fact this has become a left vs right issue with the side who supports this accusing the other of being nazis is blatant fucking hypocrisy.
 
It wasnt the government though. It was the medical system. the government simply enabled it
the government *IS* the medical system. Every medical system in every country on the planet operates according to paramenters set forth by government laws and bureaucracies. That was the case here.
Says the pink triangle nigger. Cope.
chill, Winston
 
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The boyfriend is part of the problem. He sounds like he enabled her neurotic behavior. A lot of men are overly sympathetic and enable their girlfriend to act as unhinged as possible, which is why these women go down the rabbit hole of spiraling out of control and doing drastic shit like that. This is why no girl wants a boyfriend that is too nice, because he encourages such behavior.
 
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