Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Hearing his voice everywhere on Skyrim has dulled my hatred of him, but he's still a grating wuss. Raven knew what they were doing making his fate the LS/DS choice.

It didn't really bother me that much, but I know a lot of people found him so annoying that sparing him was like asking someone to do the impossible.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Not Star Wars but finally they're going after Charlie for giving his opinion and blame the fans for the new "Mad Max-ine" movie because zoomers wanted him to shit all over it because of "stronk wamen".

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Not Star Wars but finally they're going after Charlie for giving his opinion and blame the fans for the new "Mad Max-ine" movie because zoomers wanted him to shit all over it because of "stronk wamen".

The fact that the ''strong woman'' trope became toxic after all these years is a testament to how PC culture can ruin everything.

Back then, ''strong woman'' meant a woman of strong character, or perhaps a woman who can fight, not one that acts all superior around the men, but one who can carry her weight around the men, either physically, through combat and other drudgery, or morally, in terms of character and strength. You have no end to the number of SW chicks who can pick up a blaster or a lightsaber just as good as the rest of the boys, along with women whose moral courage and strength inspires others to fight on. Queen Amidala, for all her flaws, was both in TPM. During the age of anime dominance in culture, ''strong women'' were both attractive and interesting, if not because not only were they sexually attractive, but some of them can be really powerful in combat, and nobody had a problem with that.

But now, the moment you plaster ''strong woman'' on something, people run for the hills, because the PC version of it is a total bitch who swings her power around like a big swinging dick to batter the men with. There's also nothing behind it all; if you take away the fact that they're women and transfer their personality and characteristics onto a man, you'll just get a sour son of a bitch who might be strong, but is a complete dickweed and hard to work with.

I'm not gonna say Rey is an example of it; she's just a cipher, a goody-goody two-shoe avatar for Kathleen Kennedy. But more than enough of modern ''strong woman'' archetypes have annoyed both men and women to the point where the concept of a ''strong woman'' is automatic cancer to them.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Back then, ''strong woman'' meant a woman of strong character, or perhaps a woman who can fight, not one that acts all superior around the men, but one who can carry her weight around the men, either physically, through combat and other drudgery, or morally, in terms of character and strength.

This is why I always appreciated women in action films like Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley - they weren't "raar I'm a strong woman and an asshole to everyone especially with the opposite sex" and they had some character development as well that you'd root for them. Nowadays, the "modern strong woman" in films is just a sexist all-around asshole that'll just make you roll your eyes from the amount of cringe.

As for Jedi Academy's opening levels, I suppose a lot of people complained about the maze-like levels in JK2's first half and the Nar Shaddaa levels where Rodian snipers took potshots at you with disintegration rifles; Jedi Academy's opening levels are a breeze. But they still had their challenging bits, like when your ship crashes and some sand worm is stalking you; no lightsaber or gunning down bad guys there, you just have to be really fast. Or the Corellian level where you have to be careful about platforming so you don't fall off the train. Although the two Tatooine levels do make you feel like slicing down people is a 9-5 job for a Jedi. Almost like a Dynasty Warriors game where you cut down hordes of enemies.

Those were the good times. I liked Jedi Academy more than Jedi Outcast especially with the lightsaber battles. And I used to download skins for that so I would have Ronald McDonald with a saberstaff fight against Darth Maul.

 

[Ghostse]

The fact that the ''strong woman'' trope became toxic after all these years is a testament to how PC culture can ruin everything.

Back then, ''strong woman'' meant a woman of strong character, or perhaps a woman who can fight, not one that acts all superior around the men, but one who can carry her weight around the men, either physically, through combat and other drudgery, or morally, in terms of character and strength. You have no end to the number of SW chicks who can pick up a blaster or a lightsaber just as good as the rest of the boys, along with women whose moral courage and strength inspires others to fight on. Queen Amidala, for all her flaws, was both in TPM. During the age of anime dominance in culture, ''strong women'' were both attractive and interesting, if not because not only were they sexually attractive, but some of them can be really powerful in combat, and nobody had a problem with that.

But now, the moment you plaster ''strong woman'' on something, people run for the hills, because the PC version of it is a total bitch who swings her power around like a big swinging dick to batter the men with. There's also nothing behind it all; if you take away the fact that they're women and transfer their personality and characteristics onto a man, you'll just get a sour son of a bitch who might be strong, but is a complete dickweed and hard to work with.

I'm not gonna say Rey is an example of it; she's just a cipher, a goody-goody two-shoe avatar for Kathleen Kennedy. But more than enough of modern ''strong woman'' archetypes have annoyed both men and women to the point where the concept of a ''strong woman'' is automatic cancer to them.

Ellen Ripley. Sarah Conner. Red Sonja. Even as supporting characters, you have Holly Ginairo McClain. Even fucking Jenny from Beverly Hills Cop. Tough women who didn't need to better than men at everything to show they were tough. No one is going to have any serious issues with a strong female character if they are interesting and well written, but they are always Mary Sues with nothing interesting. They have no flaws, the only issues they encounter are because the world can't cope with how wonderful and perfect they are.

Rey is very much an example of it.
Rey, provided they'd have even stuck with making a main character of a male oriented property female, would have been dialed way back by the committee if "grrl power" wasn't the buzz word of the day

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This is why I always appreciated women in action films like Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley - they weren't "raar I'm a strong woman and an asshole to everyone especially with the opposite sex" and they had some character development as well that you'd root for them.

Ellen Ripley. Sarah Conner. Red Sonja. Even as supporting characters, you have Holly Ginairo McClain. Even fucking Jenny from Beverly Hills Cop. Tough women who didn't need to better than men at everything to show they were tough. No one is going to have any serious issues with a strong female character if they are interesting and well written, but they are always Mary Sues with nothing interesting. They have no flaws, the only issues they encounter are because the world can't cope with how wonderful and perfect they are.

That's why the idea of a ''strong woman'' was attractive back in the day. It's an idea that should be preserved as a counter-example to today's version of it.

Nowadays, the "modern strong woman" in films is just a sexist all-around asshole that'll just make you roll your eyes from the amount of cringe.

Basically a fratboy with tits. Hollywood is unimaginative at best, malicious at worst.

Rey, provided they'd have even stuck with making a main character of a male oriented property female, would have been dialed way back by the committee if "grrl power" wasn't the buzz word of the day

Hell, back in the old days, they'd replace Rey with some white guy with a chiseled jawline. Or some buzz-cut space marine dude. They'd probably make Finn the main character and have his soldiering days be the focus before he defects and becomes a Jedi, kind of like Kyle Katarn.

 

[Screamer_2]

The girl boss thing is just bad writing. Only be able to show they are good by putting down male characters. Have male characters be weak, dumb or incompetent compared to them. Rey's struggle is lamer than the stereotypically young adult novel. Where young woman doesn't know her purpose in life, finds out she's special for no reason or effort on her behalf. Everyone else sees she's amazing. Then finally saves the day. Learning they can do anything. Rey's struggle was getting around the bad planning of the trilogy of who her parents are. Not any real character story moments. She's too perfect for that. Her struggle is the audience's curiosity.

Earlier I was over on a little known tranny website called Reddit and reading something about The Sarah Conner Chronicles. Did anyone at all complain about Summer Glau being a girl terminator? I don't recall. I don't recall having a thought either way when the show was on. It was just what it was. None of the girl boss shit. They weren't telling male audience members she'd be making them shake in their boots or whatever they said about the more recent female Terminator.

On Summer Glau, did anyone at all complain when she turned in that fighting death machine in Serenity/Firefly? Nope. Not at all because it was well written.

It was a few years ago now, but there was some Luc Besson action film which was a skinny model beating people up. I remember it being completely fine because it just was what it was. It didn't have the dumb girl boss writing tropes.

Silo on Apple+ is a great show with a female lead. My wife complains about the diversity, but it's fine it's a show set in a bunker. Who cares. They still can make shit. Even the recent Fallout series didn't fall into it. Plenty of stuff still can do good female characters. Yet we only get told we hate women when we point it out being done bad.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

The girl boss thing is just bad writing.

Why do these Hollyweirdos think that a girlboss is something to be proud of or even lauded? They're so boring and obnoxious, they're the type of people you'd want to run over with a steamroller and you'd feel good about it afterwards. They're trying to compensate for something obviously like a guy who carries an oversized sword tries to make up with the fact that he has a small penis or something like that.

How long will these Hollyweirdos promote such garbage until the average person is so sick of it, I don't know but someone should tell these deluded execs to fuck off with the "assholes without any development are awesome" concept already.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Girlboss is also a self-insertion for Hollywood, it's how they justify why they're such horrible woman to absolutely everybody and get the love and prestige for doing it. Which get the NPC women viewers' panties wet cause they want to be the same horrible women in power without clap back from men and lesser women. Hollywood been these movies decades longer then the word "girlboss" existed.

 

[Ghostse]

Earlier I was over on a little known tranny website called Reddit and reading something about The Sarah Conner Chronicles. Did anyone at all complain about Summer Glau being a girl terminator? I don't recall. I don't recall having a thought either way when the show was on. It was just what it was. None of the girl boss shit. They weren't telling male audience members she'd be making them shake in their boots or whatever they said about the more recent female Terminator.

On Summer Glau, did anyone at all complain when she turned in that fighting death machine in Serenity/Firefly? Nope. Not at all because it was well written.

People's complaints about the SCC were all about the series just in generally not really working because it was a follow up to the dog shit of T3; the chick they had playing Sarah Conner there was some angst that she wasn't Linda Hamilton but nothing major, Summer Glau being able to beat up big dudes was easily explained by that fact she was a cyborg.

As for Firefly there are two kinds of people:
Those who coom to Joss Whedon's fart huffing, and people who forget it existed.
So I don't know if I would hold that out as the poster child of people
Or for being well written*.

*By comparison to contemporaries. I mean compared to the drivel shat out now its basically shakespear, but at the time, objectively, its pretty bad.

Which I will say for all the shit I give Joss Whedon and him being the poster child for the modern Snark = Wit trend in shit writing, he at least put in some effort to make his stuff at least slightly different at least on the surface.... as long as it started at least one qt waif he could try to talk into a threesome with his wife.

 

[MajinGoku]

What do you guys think of swtor?

 

[FatR]

I find the whole discussion on Furiosa on the frinegs of the Internet darkly hilarious. "Hey, why aren't you consooming the latest dose of poison from people who openly hate and despise you? They've covered it in candy instead of shit this time! (Note: candy is not real.) Aren't we all le heckin based consoomers, proud of the fact that we can consoom anything as long as it is "well-written"?"

 

[Adamska]

I mean, I've heard that Furiosa actually is written like a female protagonist in the old style, so yes more like Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor.

What's fucking it is three aspects:

1. The Current Year. Strong Female Protagonist is automatically assumed to be poison because of how they're all written exactly the same; miserable cunts who are constantly told how good they are, often while shitting on men and people who disagree with the retards making the film. They also never experience hardship. Furiosa can have a great female character, like Ripley reborn, but it's going to bomb just because of when it got released. The Thing got smashed for a similar reason; it came out right when ET rolled in.
2. No Mad Max. It's relying at least partially on an audience who likes the Mad Max franchise. But the titular character's missing, which automatically turns off some fans at the very least. It'd be like doing a Scooby Doo show without Scoo- oh they did that. I mean, it'd be like doing a He-Man cartoon without He-Man as the main charact-oh they did that. Yeah, that really fucks up the dynamic.
3. It's a prequel. People tend to be more leery on prequels since usually they have little to no point given you've seen how their saga ends. Furiosa had her story; It was in Fury Road. Hell, she was more the main character than Mad Max himself. So... yeah.

It basically was fucked due to when it was released, and it relying on an IP it doesn't have the main guy in sure as shit ain't helping.

 

[FatR]

Furiosa, insofar as I can tell from trailers, a review, and tendencies I can remember from Fury Road, is literally a movie about how patriarchy is so evil and toxic that it had killed the whole planet. Well, insofar as any modern action movie is about anything, under all the explosions. Ghostse, I reckon, loves to talk here about the abused wife syndrome of those still actually watching Disneywars. Well, clearly this is applicable to modern Hollywood in general, not only Disney.

 

[Ghostse]

[*]It's a prequel. People tend to be more leery on prequels since usually they have little to no point given you've seen how their saga ends. Furiosa had her story; It was in Fury Road. Hell, she was more the main character than Mad Max himself. So... yeah.

It basically was fucked due to when it was released, and it relying on an IP it doesn't have the main guy in sure as shit ain't helping.

In addition to CURRENT YEAR female protagonist you've gotten almost everything that's wrong with the movie here:
Furiosa pretty well cucked Numax out of his own movie in Fury Road but it was still a good film in spite of that because despite being a stonk woman she had an actual fucking character arc and it wasn't just 500% feminist power fantasy. Anyway, I don't need more Furiosa because her arc completed.

In addition, the time for a Furiosa movie was either before Fury Road so we'd have some context on movie or immediately after to capitalize on the popularity. Its been like 10 years (how has it been 10 years fuuuuuu-) after a commerically successful movie so this just reeks of a needless, lazy cash grab instead of a movie that actually needed making or expands the world in any interesting and thought-out way.

And also fuck making it a prequel because god forbid they show that wahmen taking over didn't magically fix all the problems in the apocalypse outback.

I remember watching Fury Road, another fucking reboot without the original cast featuring a Stronk Female Protagonist and expecting utter cringe - and being pleasant surprised that it was pretty good.

Ghostse, I reckon, loves to talk here about the abused wife syndrome of those still actually watching Disneywars. Well, clearly this is applicable to modern Hollywood in general, not only Disney.

But I dropped cable like 15 years ago before it was cool and before the culture wars became all pervasive because I was flipping through the channels and realized nothing on or coming out interested me or was made for me to be the audience, so why would I keep paying for the privilege of being abused?
It would be nice if everyone could be on my level of "just walk away bro, just stop giving them your money" but I don't expect it.

I will give fans of other franchises/properties a bit of a pass when it comes to Hollywood shitting out a new film. Maybe someone's been only watching AMC/TCM for the past two decades and wants to see the next installment. Star Wars fans get a special call out because its been like a solid decade of being constantly shit on and called racist if you don't fellate whatever current product is - at some point you'd think they'd HAVE to learn. But no, they keep conspicuously consooming.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Those who coom to Joss Whedon's fart huffing, and people who forget it existed.

there's also the people who saw Outlaw Star

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Star Wars fans get a special call out because its been like a solid decade of being constantly shit on and called racist if you don't fellate whatever current product is - at some point you'd think they'd HAVE to learn. But no, they keep conspicuously consooming.

Not really. I mean, the fact that Disney is losing money on Star Wars means that yes, a good chunk of the Star Wars fandom walked away, never to be seen again. Some left for greener pastures, others locked themselves in a bubble of old-world nostalgia by reading old books in PDF form or buying old SW games in Steam. It's mostly the fans of the Nu-Wars content that buy and consume Disney Wars. They came into Star Wars through the Filoniverse or the post-buyout content, and they're obviously getting more of what they wanted.

This isn't like Warhammer 40K where the fans bitch and moan about how Games Workshop is abusing them by raping the lore and raising the prices on the figurines........only for GW's stock price to rise, and for their products to sell well and go out of stock, because the morons don't know how to maintain a boycott.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I heard of the Phantom Menace rerelease making big bucks and I think it makes sense. Young Gen Xers/ like me who were exposed to SW through it still have a soft spot towards it, and the film itself is at the very least way less cynical than 99% of modern media.

 

[Ghostse]

there's also the people who saw Outlaw Star

No catgirls in Firefly, so those people deserve to be to be disappointed.

Not really. I mean, the fact that Disney is losing money on Star Wars means that yes, a good chunk of the Star Wars fandom walked away, never to be seen again.

I mean sort of and slowly, but you have niggas in this very thread continuing to consoom and getting super butthurt when called out about conooming things they knew they'd not enjoy.

And GW gets away with their shennanigans for two reasons.
First, the lore and model bullshit doesn't actually affect play. The fact the Imperium declares Transwomen as real women and transrights as human rights doesn't change how many wounds an Ork war boss can take.

Second, the reason why there are still so many abused wives in Star Wars is a sticker version of sunk cost fallacy; you've devoted so much time, money and attention to something, even when it turns to shit you want to hope it can be saved instead of rendering all the effort worthless. Walking away means rendering what you put into the franchise worthless.
GW ups that ante by having it so that the base entry is $150, and it only goes up from there. The average GW simp has hundreds of dollar GBP Faggotcoin invested in their plastic space men, so the cost of walking away is that much higher and makes people sit around and hope it gets better.

And I guess a third reason:
What's their competition? Unlike Disney where there is a whole universe of media to consoom instead of drivel from people who hate you, if you want tactical wargaming your options are pretty much just Warhams.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I mean sort of and slowly, but you have niggas in this very thread continuing to consoom and getting super butthurt when called out about conooming things they knew they'd not enjoy.

Those guys watch to laugh at how stupid Disney SW is. It's basically like watching the later seasons of Game of Thrones; you know it's going to be bad, you just want to know "how bad?" But as Disney's sinking profit margins have shown, they're a tiny minority of the fans. Most have just walked away and washed their hands of the franchise, like the Mass Effect and Halo fans before them. For most fans, there is no sunk cost fallacy; there's just "FUCK YOU I'M LEAVING!"

What's their competition? Unlike Disney where there is a whole universe of media to consoom instead of drivel from people who hate you, if you want tactical wargaming your options are pretty much just Warhams

Other wargames, 3D printing, but the latter gets you kicked out of official tournaments, so I see your point. And outside of playing with some fellow dice-throwers who have time to waste playing plastic soldier man with you, you can't use the latter for much.