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[Xarpho's Return]

So after learning about the Texas GOP plan for a state electoral college I looked up the rest of their platform (archive).
They have some good anti-urbanist planks:
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At least someone with power is aware of what the urbanists are trying to do.

We all know that Florida's governor DeSantis enacted a very reasonable law about not converting stuff to bike lanes unless studies and/or votes were done (I can't remember which), which sounds reasonable (it is) but urbanists screeched about it anyway. It doesn't change bike lanes that are already there, doesn't forbid all-new roads from having bike lanes, and if bike lanes really are the best choice for a road where excessive parking and lanes aren't necessary (it DOES happen), it still allows that.

And yet....

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Another day, another whiny leftist on Reddit crying about the suburbs or rural communities. Notice his name is Turtle Island. Typical self-hating white leftie.
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Besides the usual copes and lies the concrete one is new to me. IDK what is point is because suburban homes aren't made of concrete and are made from materials that offer better insulation to allow better temperature control than apartment buildings that are frequently built using concrete. If he is mixing it up with asphalt then I still don't know what is point is becaus suburbs have more greenery and use less asphalt than cities. Finally, suburbs are highly walkable and bike friendly because there is little car presence. Besides the mornings when everyone is leaving and evenings when everyone is getting back you rarely see anyone driving on the streets. Meanwhile in cities it is non stop for most of the day.

 

[Bonesjones]

There is a third option, where you can live above shops, have pedestrian-oriented streets, and lots of foot traffic...

Living in a loft over a busy street works for young single people and that's it. When I lived over a black club, the bass was so loud it would rattle every thing in my kitchen as well as the lid on my toilet. Most people aren't prepared for that lifestyle, even more so when you work 8 to 5.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Living in a loft over a busy street works for young single people and that's it. When I lived over a black club, the bass was so loud it would rattle every thing in my kitchen as well as the lid on my toilet. Most people aren't prepared for that lifestyle, even more so when you work 8 to 5.

Most of the bugmen lifestyle only does work for single people. They'll cope about "well you could transport kids on a bike trailer" but fantasize about going drinking on a normal basis, and of course those trips to the convenience store (because let's face it, normal grocery stores are rare in the urbanized cores) are going to be a meal for one...if you're not getting DoorDash three times a week.

Surely there has to be someone in that clique that's living the dream, so they'd be familiar with nightclub noise, right? There's no way they've become acclimated to the noise like black people and dying smoke alarms, because they'd also be acclimated to road noise, too.

 

[Yamamura]

Most of the bugmen lifestyle only does work for single people. They'll cope about "well you could transport kids on a bike trailer"

In a sort of round about way all their "solutions" and work arounds usually boil down to just "I don't really give a shit about your interests because they don't affect me". I think I remember someone on reddit saying going fishing was more difficult without a large vehicle and instead the urbanists just chastised him for going fishing in the first place.

Same with having kids. They would rather you didn't just like them.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

I'd say that their beloved cargo bikes take a shitton of space. I don't like that at all so we should ban them too.
And I love the last sentence- as if they weren't constantly discussing why they don't want to wear helmets.

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Oh how I love the "Look we banned cars on this street and people just WALK there MINDBLOWING" posts. They don't care that such actions inconvenience people that actually *live* in those places. Online "urbanists" are only interested in transforming cities into big theme parks for tourists.
I happen to live in a somewhat big, very old European city- obviously we have a lot of tourists here. Unfortunately the city does everything they can to make lives if residents a nightmare just to conform to tourists. Closing down parkings, streets, etc. The most obvious thing happened- people with families (including me) started buying cars and moving to suburbs/exburbs.

 

[WelperHelper99]

In a sort of round about way all their "solutions" and work arounds usually boil down to just "I don't really give a shit about your interests because they don't affect me". I think I remember someone on reddit saying going fishing was more difficult without a large vehicle and instead the urbanists just chastised him for going fishing in the first place.

Same with having kids. They would rather you didn't just like them.

Imagine just going "just don't do what you like to do", in this case fishing, which is harmless ( and tasty). The life of a urbanist must be very boring.

 

[quaawaa]

Reddit urbanist created a business selling non-carbrained toys:

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OP's Website (Archive)



The featured product is a "good" version of the playmat that /r/fuckcars hates:



Play with your toy bikes and trams kids!





Just what every kid wants to read:


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Source (Archive)

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It's amusing that the biggest toy company in the world (LEGO) is also the one that sells the most "urban compatible" toys, because even when there DO have cars with the buildings, they include no or barely any roads.

Kids like cars and cocomelon and similar because it reflects what they see in life. They love walking places, and will gladly play with trains and trams and busses and trucks and cars and dinosaurs and whatever other toys you give them.

These people really are children, they've never given up being children and so they're autistically attached to how they were as children.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

Reddit urbanist created a business selling non-carbrained toys

I know the point's been repeated a lot here already but I can't stress just how much the urbanist notion of "we don't hate cars, we hate car dependency" falls completely apart when even children's toys get under these people's skin.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Reddit urbanist created a business selling non-carbrained toys:

This is something we've seen before, where basically an autistic retard decides to put messages ahead of all else in the toys they want to create and forget that the primary audience is supposed to be children.

You can tell that the people who like this idea are the people that will throw a shitfit if the kid drives a car on the pedestrian walkways.

It's amusing that the biggest toy company in the world (LEGO) is also the one that sells the most "urban compatible" toys, because even when there DO have cars with the buildings, they include no or barely any roads.

Kids like cars and cocomelon and similar because it reflects what they see in life. They love walking places, and will gladly play with trains and trams and busses and trucks and cars and dinosaurs and whatever other toys you give them.

These people really are children, they've never given up being children and so they're autistically attached to how they were as children.

Yeah, and above all, train sets have existed since the early 20th century. Why not just get a train set?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Yeah, and above all, train sets have existed since the early 20th century. Why not just get a train set?

Because many of the things about vehicles that are good and lovable apply to toy versions too. Like they’re self contained, relatively small, roll, are different colors, etc.

Really, the reasons guys (mostly) like cars apply to boys (and somewhat to girls).

And it’s much easier to take a toy car with you than a toy train set. Even on the train!

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's amusing that the biggest toy company in the world (LEGO) is also the one that sells the most "urban compatible" toys, because even when there DO have cars with the buildings, they include no or barely any roads.

Most of the modern City line-up (the stuff actually aimed at kids) is designed to combine with their "road plates" set.



They used to make a set of baseplates with roads built in, but I guess they must have decided the modular roads offered more play potential. The way these are designed makes it trivially easy to build a gigantic "stroad" for your lego citizens to induce their demand all over.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

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I'd say that their beloved cargo bikes take a shitton of space. I don't like that at all so we should ban them too.
And I love the last sentence- as if they weren't constantly discussing why they don't want to wear helmets.
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Oh how I love the "Look we banned cars on this street and people just WALK there MINDBLOWING" posts. They don't care that such actions inconvenience people that actually *live* in those places. Online "urbanists" are only interested in transforming cities into big theme parks for tourists.

The annoying thing is that it isn't hard to do both, Taiwan night markets are a good example. During the daytime they are normal streets open to traffic, but at night they close the street to traffic and people set up food stalls and other booths there. I have lived by a few and they are awesome for grabbing a late night bite or getting cheap knockoffs.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

They used to make a set of baseplates with roads built in, but I guess they must have decided the modular roads offered more play potential. The way these are designed makes it trivially easy to build a gigantic "stroad" for your lego citizens to induce their demand all over.

Yeah, if you have a billion dollars and a bunch of cities to pay for it! https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/road-plates-60304 $20 for like four pieces of road holy shit! I'm all on the side of the transit weirdos now ... Look! You can get significantly more rail for the same price! https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/tracks-60205

(I don't really know why they got rid of the road baseplates, those were bombass but apparently they make the boxes bigger and that costs them a fuckton?)

 

[quaawaa]

Yeah, if you have a billion dollars and a bunch of cities to pay for it! https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/road-plates-60304 $20 for like four pieces of road holy shit! I'm all on the side of the transit weirdos now ... Look! You can get significantly more rail for the same price! https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/tracks-60205

Shhhh...you're sharing Chuck's secret data on the cost of sprawl!

 

[Kyria the Great]

I don't get why these faggots don't understand the reason why kids like playing with cars is because they're cool. Sure train sets are neat and is usually the go to for autists but at the end of the day the average boy wants the cool fast car, the working truck or something ridiculous like the weinermobile because they're fun and we all have the primal instinct for the need for speed along with adventure that a car not on a preset course can only do.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Shhhh...you're sharing Chuck's secret data on the cost of sprawl!

You laugh but one of the big discussions with people who build massive LEGO train models is ... how to make roads cheaply. Baseplates were often too expensive so they'd build them out of bricks sideways

I mean look at this shit: https://bricknerd.com/home/how-to-modularize-your-lego-train-layout-with-mils-7-27-21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMdk-D2FNTc anyway enough LEGO sperging.

Back before the car existed, there were tons of toy horses, it was a staple, because it was something the kids saw and understood.

Toy bicycles for that kind of size (LEGO) are basically shit for small kids, because they have two wheels and fall over unless they have a balance bar of some kind, and even then fall over. Cars have four wheels and are pretty damn well balanced, you can line them up on the edge of the bed and be very angry if one is missing or moved.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Toy bicycles for that kind of size (LEGO) are basically shit for small kids, because they have two wheels and fall over unless they have a balance bar of some kind, and even then fall over. Cars have four wheels and are pretty damn well balanced, you can line them up on the edge of the bed and be very angry if one is missing or moved.

Also those toy bikes have many thin brakeable part like handlebars. A toy car otherhand can be a brick with wheels. They can much much more abuse from being stepped on to being throw to your brother's head because he was being annoying.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Cars have four wheels and are pretty damn well balanced, you can line them up on the edge of the bed and be very angry if one is missing or moved.

In my adulthood I have purchased a few diecast cars, including a Matchbox Ford F-150 and a few racecars from a flea market. Because I had a real childhood and wasn't grown in a vacuum chamber like Redditors apparently are, I recognize toy cars for what they are and understood why I liked them in the first place. They're fun to play with, work with any hard surface, dirt cheap, and virtually indestructible. I can't say the same for trains (or toy bicycles). I guess for non-car substitutes, the closest were those finger skateboards that were a trend for a while.