Are AI artists considered real artists? - Discuss whether or not the people who use AI to create art are True and Honest Artists

[Not a bee]

I am biased and I don't like AI art, and I personally don't think they are considered artists because they are just telling a computer what to draw.

HOWEVER

There are coders that say coding is an art form, which I agree with, and photography is an art form, which I also agree with. Back when photography was the latest and greatest thing, artists were scared that photographers would replace them because there would be no need for them! Obviously that did not happen. So maybe I need to change my opinion and consider AI artists, artists.

What does KiwiFarms think?

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Art is an expression of the self. Even though someone's using prompts to express themselves, it could technically be considered art. Hell, if a banana taped to the wall can be considered art, then AI art can 100% be considered as such as it's an expression of the self and still requires human input. Yes you're using computer algorithms to do so and it's lazy, but it is still art nonetheless.

 

[Chilson]

If a piece of shit on a stick is considered "art" than AI art is art.

I frankly don't give a shit about AI art, if AI can replace you it WILL replace you regardless of your feelings about it. The coping and seething of twitter and furry (ugh) artists is hilarious regardless though.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Making good looking AI art is more than inputting "Make an anime girl with big titties". You have to know a bit about photography and lighting. I'd go as far as to call them artists. AI shit also makes the creative types shit their pants because now they're the ones getting replaced instead of the blue-collar workers that they were telling to "learn to code" a few years ago.

 

[Bloitzhole]

Composition and intent trumps all imo.
If I use a medium, any medium, incorporating machine learning or not, to generate a composition I have visualized beforehand, it is no less "art" than if I created it with a drawing tablet or on canvas or with a camera. The exception is any art that is supposed to be documenting in nature - say street photography.

they are just telling a computer what to draw.

If I compose by using grid lines, existing artwork, posing assistence and a touch pen to paint on a tablet, no one bats an eye when the result is called "art". I am, in a clumsy manner, telling a computer what to draw using different tools to get the visualization on the screen to match my mental composition. I do the same when I generate an image using a carefully selected mix of models and weights and then proceed to mask specific parts - which used to be done by hand, clumsily, but can now be done by prompting - working section by section to get the composition I want.
If art is only art because it happens to incorporate hand movement, that's a pretty low standard imo.

 

[#FF0000]

I am biased and I don't like AI art, and I personally don't think they are considered artists because they are just telling a computer what to draw.

No but they're good writers. Writing a good AI art prompt is a pain in the ass.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

No more or less than people who use digital tablets and photoshop for art.

 

[Paper Machete]

No, they're not. Even if you need to do more than insert a basic prompt and have to fiddle with it, it's not the same. Keeping in mind also the algorithms and all train off other people's art. They're basically using computer programs to mix and mash content sourced from elsewhere to make something comprehensible. I think for people making memes and such it's great that there is a tool that only requires you to basically do what you do with commissions--tell it this or that until you get the end product you want. But if anything, it would be a better argument to wonder whether the AI itself is the artist. I know there is a lot of lazy bullshit people are calling art these days but it sincerely is a lack of respect for the talent and skills required to actually make something yourself to call it anything close.

Incorporating AI into a finished product that you have to do other things to in order to complete is different, more of a mixed bag. And training an AI on your own art and using that to expedite your work is another thing too.

AI is a prompt generator. A very sophisticated one. But one nonetheless.

 

[Tablet County]

I don't care.

 

[Brenda Holiday]

AI is really cool but until we get to the point where that soulless stink isn't obvious on AI photos it won't be """art""" to me, more on the level of stock photography. I don't think we're very far from that though.

 

[The Deep State]

If you "prompt" a human by asking them to draw or paint something and instruct them on making adjustments along the way, does that make you the artist? Same logic applies here.

 

[Hatter]

Would you call someone who commissions an artist to make art for them an artist?

 

[The Backwards Man]

Better question:
Do you deserve to call yourself an artist if your art sucks compared to an AI?

 

[❤️ Rivet ❤️]

AI artists are not real artists in the same way that telling someone to build you a deck doesn’t make you a carpenter.

if a banana taped to the wall can be considered art

Most “high art” is more money laundering than it is ”art”.

Everyone knows about the banana but most don’t know it sold for $120,000.

When the rich buy a banana taped to a wall they are mocking you and the legal system first and foremost, artistic value isn’t the primary concern.

 

[Giant Kozaky]

Still requires one to put their expressions into the work, just via a different medium

 

[Deer]

I never really saw anything SOVLful that came out of AI. It's a funny and useful thing don't get me wrong but ehh i don't think just ai alone can make some really cool stuff.

 

[Giant Kozaky]

Would you call someone who commissions an artist to make art for them an artist?

depends on the use of the comission

 

[MajinGoku]

If ai artists are artists then are people who commission artists for drawings considered artists?

 

[Giant Kozaky]

is a director of a film considered an artist?

 

[Dialtone]

You do have to curate the prompts and such to generate the picture you want and have some artistic knowledge to know if it's good or not. At the end of the day it's another tool, but it does take some skill to use. The drawing tablet didn't replace the sketchbook, people are just excited and scared about new tech is all.