Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Adamska]

And I guess a third reason:
What's their competition? Unlike Disney where there is a whole universe of media to consoom instead of drivel from people who hate you, if you want tactical wargaming your options are pretty much just Warhams.

I can name two off the bat:

Warmachines and Hordes, which is cheaper and smaller scale. Battletech, which doesn't give a single shit about you buying the models, you can proxy.

Hell, there's a Star Wars minis game I saw get played. Hilariously the LGS tended to play all three games more than 40k, even if they had more shelves dedicated to it.

 

[neverendingmidi]

But as Disney's sinking profit margins have shown, they're a tiny minority of the fans. Most have just walked away and washed their hands of the franchise, like the Mass Effect and Halo fans before them. For most fans, there is no sunk cost fallacy; there's just "FUCK YOU I'M LEAVING!"

I walked away after The Last Jedi. I did watch TFA (which at the time I had hopes for Finn's development, even Rey's... though the way they made it "dramatic music time" when the pilot came back when I'd completely forgotten the character definitely shows the cracks were already there), and Rogue One (again, a bunch of characters I didn't care about, which made the "dramatic death scene" feel trite), but TLJ was when I packed up and didn't bother any more. No books, no shows, never have watched TRS ever. Nope. I'll pirate the EU books I liked and ignore everything else.

 

[Kyria the Great]

I mean, I've heard that Furiosa actually is written like a female protagonist in the old style, so yes more like Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor.

What's fucking it is three aspects:

1. The Current Year. Strong Female Protagonist is automatically assumed to be poison because of how they're all written exactly the same; miserable cunts who are constantly told how good they are, often while shitting on men and people who disagree with the retards making the film. They also never experience hardship. Furiosa can have a great female character, like Ripley reborn, but it's going to bomb just because of when it got released. The Thing got smashed for a similar reason; it came out right when ET rolled in.
2. No Mad Max. It's relying at least partially on an audience who likes the Mad Max franchise. But the titular character's missing, which automatically turns off some fans at the very least. It'd be like doing a Scooby Doo show without Scoo- oh they did that. I mean, it'd be like doing a He-Man cartoon without He-Man as the main charact-oh they did that. Yeah, that really fucks up the dynamic.
3. It's a prequel. People tend to be more leery on prequels since usually they have little to no point given you've seen how their saga ends. Furiosa had her story; It was in Fury Road. Hell, she was more the main character than Mad Max himself. So... yeah.

It basically was fucked due to when it was released, and it relying on an IP it doesn't have the main guy in sure as shit ain't helping.

Well you hit all the major points on the head though I would have have added the fact this film is striking iron when it's ice cold was another nail in this film's coffin. The marketing also didn't do any favors as it made it look like a girl boss movie even though apparently it isn't. I've also heard it relies on CGI way too much which is a hard pass since Mad Max films are (in)famous for death defying automobile stunts.

All of this just reminds me how truly fucked Hollywood is because we are reaching 3 to 4 decade lows in box office receipts. Now if only the rat could finally choke on the failure of star wars, we might actually have a chance for nature to heal.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

What's their competition? Unlike Disney where there is a whole universe of media to consoom instead of drivel from people who hate you, if you want tactical wargaming your options are pretty much just Warhams

There's a lot, actually. I'm not enough of a neckbeard to know anything more about the wargaming hobby than that though. Plastic crack kills, etc.

 

[Ghostse]

Other wargames, 3D printing, but the latter gets you kicked out of official tournaments, so I see your point. And outside of playing with some fellow dice-throwers who have time to waste playing plastic soldier man with you, you can't use the latter for much.

There's a lot, actually. I'm not enough of a neckbeard to know anything more about the wargaming hobby than that though. Plastic crack kills, etc.

Sorry when I say "Alternatives to Warhams" I mean a viable one; for good or ill, they are the 1600-lb gorilla with BO and a baldman ponytail, in that you can walk into pretty much any hobby store and find both product & players. There are a million possible alternatives or even open source rules, but good luck finding people willing to play.

I played MW: DA for a minute back in the day, but when I moved there was no one else who played so my armies were boxed.

I can name two off the bat:

Warmachines and Hordes, which is cheaper and smaller scale. Battletech, which doesn't give a single shit about you buying the models, you can proxy.

Hell, there's a Star Wars minis game I saw get played. Hilariously the LGS tended to play all three games more than 40k, even if they had more shelves dedicated to it.

Privateer press' offerings have died off; they got a boost last time Geedub pissed off their paypiggies, but have since made some soothing oinks, and gotten them to largely come crawling back. I'm sure there are some solid local scenes, but I don't even know if they get to be called a distant second.

Battletech cares about you; they hate you. Owner Catalyst has cucked, bent the knee, and sucked the girldick. https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/catalyst-game-labs-block-hundreds

The Starwars mini game, from what I have heard, is fairly fun but limited staying power. There's essentially just two armies: Rebels, Imperials (though I think they have Droids/Clones now) and fairly limited unit selection. "There's only so many times you can defend Hoth"

I walked away after The Last Jedi. I did watch TFA (which at the time I had hopes for Finn's development, even Rey's... though the way they made it "dramatic music time" when the pilot came back when I'd completely forgotten the character definitely shows the cracks were already there), and Rogue One (again, a bunch of characters I didn't care about, which made the "dramatic death scene" feel trite), but TLJ was when I packed up and didn't bother any more. No books, no shows, never have watched TRS ever. Nope. I'll pirate the EU books I liked and ignore everything else.

This is the right response.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Sorry when I say "Alternatives to Warhams" I mean a viable one; for good or ill, they are the 1600-lb gorilla with BO and a baldman ponytail, in that you can walk into pretty much any hobby store and find both product & players. There are a million possible alternatives or even open source rules, but good luck finding people willing to play.

You might as well play strategy games, board games, or your own homebrew DnD/tabletop game with your own miniatures. Hell, Star Wars has miniature games ready to play, and they've been selling them for a while, which means the audience is there.

The Starwars mini game, from what I have heard, is fairly fun but limited staying power. There's essentially just two armies: Rebels, Imperials (though I think they have Droids/Clones now) and fairly limited unit selection. "There's only so many times you can defend Hoth"

The armies are Rebels, Imperials, Clones, Droids, and criminal syndicates. That last one was probably inspired by Darth Maul creating his own faction by absorbing all the criminals into his embrace.

I walked away after The Last Jedi. I did watch TFA (which at the time I had hopes for Finn's development, even Rey's... though the way they made it "dramatic music time" when the pilot came back when I'd completely forgotten the character definitely shows the cracks were already there), and Rogue One (again, a bunch of characters I didn't care about, which made the "dramatic death scene" feel trite), but TLJ was when I packed up and didn't bother any more. No books, no shows, never have watched TRS ever. Nope. I'll pirate the EU books I liked and ignore everything else.

Also consider the SW games on Steam. They go on sale periodically, so snatch them up when you can. If you don't want to give the Mouse any money, go buy them on Ebay.

This is the right response.

Given Disney's struggling financial situation with Star Wars, it's the response most SW fans chose.

 

[Ghostse]

You might as well play strategy games, board games, or your own homebrew DnD/tabletop game with your own miniatures. Hell, Star Wars has miniature games ready to play, and they've been selling them for a while, which means the audience is there.

But again, all of that stuff is going be local market dependent and won't necessarily translate if you move or even just go to another store. If you just want to walk into a game store and be sure you can find other players, Geedubs is the only player in the market and there is too much inertia to unseat them unless something drastic happens.
Even to @Adamska's point, Geedub paypiggies are a minority at his FLGS but they exist which is more than you can say for almost any other game. MW: DA was hardly an obscure product back in the day and when I moved I could not find another person at the new LGS willing to do the investment of time and money, not when they had already bought into Warhams and had players for it.
I know at my current FLGS there isn't any Privateer Press presence, but there is Geedubs and WotC
(to be fair & honest: they are principally a CCG shop. But WotC & GW have some shelf space in a corner for books and minis, and people running Warhams and 5e on the Open Table [read: no official card tourneys] nights. No Battletech interestingly enough)

For the SW games, I don't know that I'd consider the line lasting as a sure indicator of success.
The only person I really know of who plays the SW minis game is Brianna "John Flynt" Wu and his husband. What I have seen is people collecting the minis for diaromas or otherwise getting them as cube/bookshelf knick-knacks, and that seems to move more units than people playing the game. But again, I'm sure that varies from location to location. The review for it I read said it was fun for a couple games but there just wasn't a lot of depth or options to keep you coming back.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

But again, all of that stuff is going be local market dependent and won't necessarily translate if you move or even just go to another store. If you just want to walk into a game store and be sure you can find other players, Geedubs is the only player in the market and there is too much inertia to unseat them unless something drastic happens.

I suppose so. The other wargames aren't doing as well as theirs, and custom models get you kicked out.

SW Legion has its supporters, but not as much. Although I suppose with enough press and time, and if SW manages to get back into the zeitgeist one way or another, it can grow in popularity. Either as a co-promotion for some successful Disney SW show, or as a counterbalance to Disney SW's failure and a way to remind people of the good old days.

 

[Ghostse]

I suppose so. The other wargames aren't doing as well as theirs, and custom models get you kicked out.

SW Legion has its supporters, but not as much. Although I suppose with enough press and time, and if SW manages to get back into the zeitgeist one way or another, it can grow in popularity. Either as a co-promotion for some successful Disney SW show, or as a counterbalance to Disney SW's failure and a way to remind people of the good old days.

Also, custom models/proxies only get you kicked out from official Geedub events or when dealing with monumental spergs.
I've been to plenty of FLGS pickups where people used other products in warhams. There was some WWII mini game that had either wrapped up or was going to start, and the Warhams guys were using WWII minis from one of the WWII players to pad out IG and Dice for 'Nids because I guess the four guys had the Warham mega table to themselves (a seemingly rare event) and were using it to run a huge game with super sized armies. I think the chaos guy was using Warhams fantasy models to pad his force and no one gave a shit other than some confusion about what was proxying for what.

Anyway, that's enough talk about the other company intend on ruining itself going woke.
I'm sure that SW Legion will have people playing for decades to come; Star Fleet Battles still is an on-going concern (due to licensing loophole mostly but still). I just wouldn't deem either as any sort of major player or viable alternative to the big players except in niche cases.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Disney's marching orders for their shill reviewers are that they must compare The Acolyte to Andor since Andor was the only recent Disney Wars show with any kind of decent reception. This is going to be an amazing disaster and I can't wait to laugh at its failure. One shill even compares it to fucking Twin Peaks. I'd love to see David Lynch walking around Lucasfilm smoking a cigarette and telling everyone to shut the fuck up.

It's getting way too easy to spot shills.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

It's getting way too easy to spot shills.

It's because they have to post what Disney marketing tells them to post so they all sound like corpo shills. This is why these shills have to pay for subs. Check out their videos and you'll see they get barely any views yet have tens of thousands subs.

 

[el bandito loco]

Those guys watch to laugh at how stupid Disney SW is. It's basically like watching the later seasons of Game of Thrones; you know it's going to be bad, you just want to know "how bad?" But as Disney's sinking profit margins have shown, they're a tiny minority of the fans. Most have just walked away and washed their hands of the franchise, like the Mass Effect and Halo fans before them. For most fans, there is no sunk cost fallacy; there's just "FUCK YOU I'M LEAVING!"

no, they watch it because they're retarded. it's not a so-bad-its-good phenomena, there are thousands of other things to watch for that with more sheer entertainment value. I have no idea how anyone is still watching any of this shit, and anyone who says that is why is in denial. they are watching it because they cannot bear to believe that what they liked is dead and gone and not coming back and keep waiting, for a sliver of hope. you know this is true because anytime there is a single, and i mean SINGLE moment or scene of anything cool or interesting everyone celebrates it and talks about it for months. anyone like this, please, just find a new thing or go rewatch/read/play the stuff you originally liked in the first place. it's not good for your mental health to do gymnastics to justify to yourself you are wasting your time for absolutely no reason. the only other reason people are watching are hate-watching to get themselves angry and bitch about it, and that's not healthy either. in any case, both parties are just plain retarded.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

no, they watch it because they're retarded. it's not a so-bad-its-good phenomena, there are thousands of other things to watch for that with more sheer entertainment value. I have no idea how anyone is still watching any of this shit, and anyone who says that is why is in denial. they are watching it because they cannot bear to believe that what they liked is dead and gone and not coming back and keep waiting, for a sliver of hope. you know this is true because anytime there is a single, and i mean SINGLE moment or scene of anything cool or interesting everyone celebrates it and talks about it for months. anyone like this, please, just find a new thing or go rewatch/read/play the stuff you originally liked in the first place. it's not good for your mental health to do gymnastics to justify to yourself you are wasting your time for absolutely no reason. the only other reason people are watching are hate-watching to get themselves angry and bitch about it, and that's not healthy either. in any case, both parties are just plain retarded.

Depends. Some people like seeing others fail, they watch so they can laugh at it. A bold few even make it their living, just to see Disney SW flop and make a thousand criticisms of a single episode. Others were raised with Disney SW or grew up with the Filoniverse, so they're in for the ride because they trust Disney or Dave. The latter seem to be the majority of the remaining viewers.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

...your first mistake was assuming this tranwreck of a brand still has any real fans left, and that all those dissenting voices aren't just people showing up to clown on your latest failure.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

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...your first mistake was assuming this tranwreck of a brand still has any real fans left, and that all those dissenting voices aren't just people showing up to clown on your latest failure.

There are male fans of Disney Star Wars? I thought it was just full of low testosterone individuals.

 

[merry schizoid]

It's not even fun to critique the new stuff anymore. They've spammed out so much mediocre garbage that I yawn whenever I see some YouTube videos criticizing whatever goyslop they recently shat out.


The only time I have fun talking about Star Wars is arguing about the first six films with friends. We basically all ignore the new stuffs existence.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

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...your first mistake was assuming this tranwreck of a brand still has any real fans left, and that all those dissenting voices aren't just people showing up to clown on your latest failure.

Who are they even trying to rile up with this bullshit anymore? By this point all the old fans either moved on or built their own private library of games, movies and books/comics.

Their dwindling viewership? Even if you add up their 'fan base' and all the gay culture wars hatewatchers, the resulting numbers are pathetic. Andor and Assoka performed even worse than Cookbook of Boba Fatt and Kenobi.

Btw, I just love the cope in that comment section. 'Disney Wars slop being duds? Huh, must be that fans hate the Prequels and Hayden, I guess".

 

[Rick The Stick]

gay culture wars hatewatchers

I really don't get these types, and it's not limited to just star wars media. All of these hate watching faggots just shit out rage bait so their dipshit fans who cannot form an opinion of their own can feel validated about "bad thing is bad". Mauler, critical drinker, Synthman etc.

These worthless culture war faggots are the equivalent of buying all the music and wearing the shirts of a band you hate just to remind yourself how much you don't like them.
It's pure retardation mixed with the inability to stop consooming.

Even the most hardcore sequel haters here tapped out and stopped engaging, and only comment on shit they happen to see. No one here goes out of their way to spend hundreds of hours watching every single dinsey wars slop just to come preach to the choir about how shit it is. Yet the above mentioned faggots and those like them do just that, with zero self awareness or irony.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Their dwindling viewership? Even if you add up their 'fan base' and all the gay culture wars hatewatchers, the resulting numbers are pathetic. Andor and Assoka performed even worse than Cookbook of Boba Fatt and Kenobi.

That's because Boba Fatt and Kenobi at least had star power from characters who were in the classic 6 films, so fans of those films would have to tune in and see what happens. Andor relies entirely on the whole "fight the power" narrative while Ahsoka is a nostalgia trip for people who grew up with Rebels. Marxists and post-TCW cartoon fans are not that profitable or numerous.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Mauler, critical drinker, Synthman

Being able to verbally articulate in public what many people feel but, for whatever reason, cannot put into words is always profitable if you're not a total dumbass.

And this is my wisdom and contribution to this thread today, use it responsibly.