Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Archeops]

I mean it makes sense tbh, the US is a melting pot of different people of different races, NY being a big-ass city only furthers the point. At the time I wager it was implanted more or less as an honest premise.

Yeah, I was gonna say that this "diversity" approach was more or less a genuine one considering the time frame when Gen V came out. The only thing that feels like it was a bit niggly was the whole thing about Lenora looking like a Mammy stereotype before editing came in.

bruh

That is the United States. African Americans are the biggest minority 'of colour' there. There is not just Lenora nd Marloe, but also Marshall, the Dancers, and the basketball players and others I might have missed.

Funnily enough Marlon technically doesn't count as one, it's actually a really deep (and somewhat bad) tan considering he's light-skinned below the waist.


But you did skip out on mentioning Iris and, to a certain extent, Drayden.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Funnily enough Marlon technically doesn't count as one, it's actually a really deep (and somewhat bad) tan considering he's light-skinned below the waist.

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I like to head canon he’s in a shed load of pain due to being sunburnt so bad and that’s why he uses Water types so he can ease his pain.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Funnily enough Marlon technically doesn't count as one, it's actually a really deep (and somewhat bad) tan considering he's light-skinned below the waist.
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But you did skip out on mentioning Iris and, to a certain extent, Drayden.

...I knew that Marlon was not right! I knew that he was not melanin-abundant, but I had not played Gen V in so long; I forgot Iris and thought hat he second leader wa supposed to be Marlon.

 

[Howling Janny Dog]

Funnily enough Marlon technically doesn't count as one, it's actually a really deep (and somewhat bad) tan considering he's light-skinned below the waist.

It's probably just a JP version thing, but he speaks with a stereotypical Hakata accent. Hakata is a district in Fukuoka prefecture, which in the Pokemon world will be somewhere around Rustboro city in Hoenn.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Yeah, I was gonna say that this "diversity" approach was more or less a genuine one considering the time frame when Gen V came out. The only thing that feels like it was a bit niggly was the whole thing about Lenora looking like a Mammy stereotype before editing came in.

Funnily enough Marlon technically doesn't count as one, it's actually a really deep (and somewhat bad) tan considering he's light-skinned below the waist.
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But you did skip out on mentioning Iris and, to a certain extent, Drayden.

...this is the first time i notice this. DA FUK!?

lets be quite about it so people wont accuse Marlon for wearing black face.

 

[Archeops]

It's probably just a JP version thing, but he speaks with a stereotypical Hakata accent. Hakata is a district in Fukuoka prefecture, which in the Pokemon world will be somewhere around Rustboro city in Hoenn.

IIRC he speaks in a dialect that makes you think surfer/beach bum in the English version.

...this is the first tame i notice this. DA FUK!?

lets be quite about it so people wont accuse Marlon for wearing black face.

I want to think people are smart enough to understand that spending sufficient time on the beach (or coastal areas in general) while the sun is out full-blast will lead to you developing a decent tan…

…but we all know that we live in Clown World, people will complain about it given enough time.

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

This is quite the PL but I've always had a grudge against more normie millennials for how much online content and discussion about Pokémon (e.g. parodies) act like the franchise was only one generation. I know everyone has their favourite generation but it feels like this demographic is as large as typical Pokémon fans themselves.

 

[Horribadger]

I've said it before and I will say it again: Arven deserved a better game.

Him, Kieran and Gladion.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Gladion.

He was in a good game. Then they ruined him by releasing the Ultra Versions, as they did everyone else.

 

[Danann]

He was in a good game. Then they ruined him by releasing the Ultra Versions, as they did everyone else.

I'd started to believe that the Ultra versions were actually not intended to be released as new, full-priced games, but as cheaper DLC (about 15-20 bucks) featuring all of the new bits and bobs as post-game content, as well as the other additions to the regional Alola dex and the move tutor/Mantine Surfing. The latter 2 would be available in the game even without DLC, therefore giving it new blood.

But that didn't happen as TPC weren't so keen on DLC at the time since they skipped out on Gen 6's "definitive edition" and wanted to see if they could do the BW2 formula, so they were forced to be updated with a butchered story shoehorning in the post-game content and pretending its a "alternate universe" while also charging 40 bucks for what is essentially the same game but a bit worse.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

since they skipped out on Gen 6 with updated versions

That's my other gripe with Gen6

>Hey, you know that snake dragon thing? yea turns out he can become a transformer if you collect enough of his cells roaming around the place!
Oh shit fucking sweet! How can we get him?
<IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT REGION IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENERATION
o.... oh.... o.. k...

 

[Danann]

That's my other gripe with Gen6

>Hey, you know that snake dragon thing? yea turns out he can become a transformer if you collect enough of his cells roaming around the place!
Oh shit fucking sweet! How can we get him?
<IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT REGION IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENERATION
o.... oh.... o.. k...

Yeah, I bet that was a concept for Pokemon Z...we'll call it that. You know you failed as a generation when the anime did it better than the games. Let's only pray PLZA doesn't butcher Zygarde since it seems to be important with the logo and all.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Yeah, I bet that was a concept for Pokemon Z...we'll call it that. You know you failed as a generation when the anime did it better than the games. Let's only pray PLZA doesn't butcher Zygarde since it seems to be important with the logo and all.

If I was making it, I’d tie Zygarde Completion to main story and sude quest so every important action gives you bits but it is far less frustrating than Gen 7 made it.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I'd started to believe that the Ultra versions were actually not intended to be released as new, full-priced games, but as cheaper DLC (about 15-20 bucks) featuring all of the new bits and bobs as post-game content, as well as the other additions to the regional Alola dex and the move tutor/Mantine Surfing. The latter 2 would be available in the game even without DLC, therefore giving it new blood.

But that didn't happen as TPC weren't so keen on DLC at the time since they skipped out on Gen 6's "definitive edition" and wanted to see if they could do the BW2 formula, so they were forced to be updated with a butchered story shoehorning in the post-game content and pretending its a "alternate universe" while also charging 40 bucks for what is essentially the same game but a bit worse.

I don't doubt Game Freak's own greed and laziness, but what you said would've made far more sense.

I'm still enough a fan of Alola I would've loved to see it become absolutely beloved without any of the usual GF/TPC idiocy plaguing it, though what it DID get in retrospect was pretty great: attention both for riding GO's popularity and the 20th anniversary, being the DS and full-dex's swan song, a decently beloved set of new mons outside starter controversies (and those have been vindicated in popularity, IMO), Movie 20 being the biggest success in Pokemon films in a long time and since, a fantastic anime season ending in Ash finally becoming champion. And remember I said in retrospect, because everyone remembers at the time it was a seeming drop down in excitement, game quality, designs, etc. from Gens III-V at the time. Funny how that works out, huh?

 

[Danann]

I don't doubt Game Freak's own greed and laziness, but what you said would've made far more sense.

I'm still enough a fan of Alola I would've loved to see it become absolutely beloved without any of the usual GF/TPC idiocy plaguing it, though what it DID get in retrospect was pretty great: attention both for riding GO's popularity and the 20th anniversary, being the DS and full-dex's swan song, a decently beloved set of new mons outside starter controversies (and those have been vindicated in popularity, IMO), Movie 20 being the biggest success in Pokemon films in a long time and since, a fantastic anime season ending in Ash finally becoming champion. And remember I said in retrospect, because everyone remembers at the time it was a seeming drop down in excitement, game quality, designs, etc. from Gens III-V at the time. Funny how that works out, huh?

I've seen a few /vp/ threads meme about this: generation sucks at start, people ponder over it next gen, reevaulate it next gen after that, and then is beloved 3 generations later...though it seems this meme is really shaky.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I've seen a few /vp/ threads meme about this: generation sucks at start, people ponder over it next gen, reevaulate it next gen after that, and then is beloved 3 generations later...though it seems this meme is really shaky.

Was thinking of that, in fact! I'm old enough to remember when people proclaimed Pokemon ruined with Gen III and even data-miners wondering why all the mons were in the data of Hoenn but not available.... till news of the remakes came out. The Dexit of the day.

I think people are catching on to this meme and the fact that there really IS an actual drop in quality for the gameplay, though. Including reactions to lots of mon or human designs ranging from controversial to apathetic instead of awesome, or the usual musical chair rotation of features added in or out to make each gen "unique", it's obvious even normies are catching on the games are becoming unpolished and GF is burnt out on Pokemon.

But unfortunately, nothing can stop the juggernaut, as the comic book quote goes. So too for Pokemon.

 

[Danann]

Was thinking of that, in fact! I'm old enough to remember when people proclaimed Pokemon ruined with Gen III and even data-miners wondering why all the mons were in the data of Hoenn but not available.... till news of the remakes came out. The Dexit of the day.

I think people are catching on to this meme and the fact that there really IS an actual drop in quality for the gameplay, though. Including reactions to lots of mon or human designs ranging from controversial to apathetic instead of awesome, or the usual musical chair rotation of features added in or out to make each gen "unique", it's obvious even normies are catching on the games are becoming unpolished and GF is burnt out on Pokemon.

But unfortunately, nothing can stop the juggernaut, as the comic book quote goes. So too for Pokemon.

Aye you hit it on the head. Game Freak, contrary to what most people believe, are actually an independent company that happens to be a big partner with Nintendo and thus have made games other than Pokemon, even on different systems....problem is that the games they made that aren't Pokemon are mostly at the bottom of their game resume, even with Toby Fox on their Little Town Hero work and even some references to Pokemon in them (and vice versa even, at least with Pulseman).

I think they're also not relatively well-received either from what I heard. Not godawful, but not great either....but if they're honest about them, then Pokemon is usually given exaggerated scores by some haggling and bribery. That's probably why they're putting all of their eggs in their Project Bloom basket. I can tell they actually had some interesting ideas for Gen 9, too, but like you said, burnout happened but also Nintendo and the TPC need that constant cashflow because they never heard of a "cool off period".

God sometimes I hate Japan and their toxic work culture.

 

[Zero MK 2]

That's my other gripe with Gen6

>Hey, you know that snake dragon thing? yea turns out he can become a transformer if you collect enough of his cells roaming around the place!
Oh shit fucking sweet! How can we get him?
<IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT REGION IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENERATION
o.... oh.... o.. k...

This autism continued into gen 7 with that same pokemon being a more complex and retarded looking take on Deoxys. Which should have gotten more forms instead of the shiny white/green nanomachine snake they gave away one time during the year of legendary pokemon about a decade ago now. Zygarde is shinylocked btw and this was the only legit way to get a shiny version. shinylocking was one of the most retarded decisions TPCI ever made.

 

[Danann]

This autism continued into gen 7 with that same pokemon being a more complex and retarded looking take on Deoxys. Which should have gotten more forms instead of the shiny white/green nanomachine snake they gave away one time during the year of legendary pokemon about a decade ago now. Zygarde is shinylocked btw and this was the only legit way to get a shiny version. shinylocking was one of the most retarded decisions TPCI ever made.

Shinylocking seems to have been pushed hard as of recently, as I guess it might some retarded reason because "its not lore-accurate for some mons to be shiny" but really its just to push for more in-person events (because what's the point of having online distribution again?) and mostly as a way to detect hackers and to permanently punish them for doing a bad thing that the company didn't like oh no.....and yet they're poorly managing the amount of injected teams in their tournaments.

 

[Xerxes IX]

I'd started to believe that the Ultra versions were actually not intended to be released as new, full-priced games, but as cheaper DLC (about 15-20 bucks) featuring all of the new bits and bobs as post-game content, as well as the other additions to the regional Alola dex and the move tutor/Mantine Surfing. The latter 2 would be available in the game even without DLC, therefore giving it new blood.

But that didn't happen as TPC weren't so keen on DLC at the time since they skipped out on Gen 6's "definitive edition" and wanted to see if they could do the BW2 formula, so they were forced to be updated with a butchered story shoehorning in the post-game content and pretending its a "alternate universe" while also charging 40 bucks for what is essentially the same game but a bit worse.

I can buy it being a reconstituted post-game DLC, it would explain why the dragon boss is so tough.

God sometimes I hate Japan and their toxic work culture.

Gamefreak especially wants to be Japanese Ubisoft. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were delayed at least a year past their original release dates and got lots of acclaim and praise. I'm one of the people who thinks ToTK has glaring flaws but that Gmod mechanic is impressive and they obviously spent a lot of time refining it to make sure it wasn't a buggy mess, something Gamefreak would never do.