US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Bland Crumbs]

Whats the over/under on trump getting kidnapped and tortured by the chinese/Russians for all that juicy top secret info in his head from when he was president without SS protection?

If brainpower was gas, these fuckers couldn't collectively power a piss ants go kart half way around a dime.

I dunno maybe after the election if Biden gets back in...but I think China and Russia would rather have Trump in office. Putin knows the war will go on and on under Biden or any dem really even if they are mitigating the economic and human damage it is still damage. China, even with tariffs, would probably prefer a prosperous US than what is on the horizon in the CSoA(Communist States of America) broke people cannot buy cheap Chinese shit.

 

[Dr J]

He wouldn't have any armed secret service protection of any kind in prison from the moment he got there

Who says?

DOJ regulations and general prison safety requirements won't allow it.

And Secret Service charter says completely different. Secret Service are to protect the President and his family from ALL threats (which is why they covered up for Hunter when they found that cocaine in the White House). Incarceration is a threat. Assuming the DOJ don't want to get into a shooting war with Trump's Secret Service detail, they will probably just let him do house arrest.

The most likely outcomes assuming trump ends up in prison are either the government passing a law prohibiting a felon from running for office/taking office

That would be flagrantly unconstitutional

who would consider trumps inability to assume the office in his position the legal equivalent to a form of incapacity to hold office and he'd be declared unfit for office

The President has pardon power, and can be sworn in from anywhere. Hypothetically, he could be sworn in in prison and immediately pardon himself and order his release

They wouldn't bother. His information's out of date.

The President, even ex-Presidents, are supposed to receive a Presidential Daily Briefing, which contains a lot of classified information. Biden denied it to Trump out of spite

 

[likeacrackado]

I think people put a too much importance on the losing direct SS protection. Trump can hire the best security money can buy and rightfully make the RNC pay for some of it. Its not like the SS kept Kennedy from getting popped. If I was Trump I'd rather be surrounded by Blackwater-type guys than DEI quota SS agents. Potentially losing SS protections on random people planning to kill him would be a problem(ie no more doorknocks on schizo facebook people).

This whole thing is a show for the rest of us as much as it is a punishment for Trump, so they'll go the most humiliating options possible. Some kind of solitary confinement "for his safety" or NY house arrest without internet access at best.

 

[Dr J]

I think people put a too much importance on the losing direct SS protection

Whether or not he actually has SS protection is what determines whether or not he actually goes to prison

Its not like the SS kept Kennedy from getting popped

Because modern SS protocols didn't exist when either Kennedy got shot, they exist because of those incidents

If I was Trump I'd rather be surrounded by Blackwater-type guys than DEI quota SS agents.

The SS is the only US government organisation that isn't completely co-opted to shit, and for good reason. I think Barack Obama and Joe Biden would much rather have people who actually know what they're doing protecting them

 

[Meat Target]

Whether or not he actually has SS protection is what determines whether or not he actually goes to prison

Because modern SS protocols didn't exist when either Kennedy got shot, they exist because of those incidents

The SS is the only US government organisation that isn't completely co-opted to shit, and for good reason. I think Barack Obama and Joe Biden would much rather have people who actually know what they're doing protecting them

The possible saving grace of the Secret Service is that they've been indoctrinated to protect POTUS with their lives.

 

[likeacrackado]

Whether or not he actually has SS protection is what determines whether or not he actually goes to prison

Because modern SS protocols didn't exist when either Kennedy got shot, they exist because of those incidents

The SS is the only US government organisation that isn't completely co-opted to shit, and for good reason. I think Barack Obama and Joe Biden would much rather have people who actually know what they're doing protecting them

A doesn't exist big enough for your last couple posts. The secret service won't start shooting their fellow feds over a "legal" arrest. While the average SS guy standing next to a president is some variety of ex-SF spook that doesn't change anything about the average department employee. Thats like saying the Army isn't pozzed because the Rangers still have some standards.

The possible saving grace of the Secret Service is that they've been indoctrinated to protect POTUS with their lives.

Jumping in front of a gunman and starting a firefight with DOJ agents are two different things entirely.

 

[Dr J]

The secret service won't start shooting their fellow feds over a "legal" arrest.

We don't know what they'll do because this is not a usual situation

 

[WonderWino]

Who says?

The bureau of prisons regulations, which are the first, last and only authority when on prison property. Secret service or otherwise you are not bringing a firearm onto prison property, let alone into a prison near inmates under any circumstances whatsoever. The secret service can't do a thing about that. They do not dictate or have a say in prison policy and can't do anything that puts the safety of the prison at risk, nor can anyone else legally

And Secret Service charter says completely different.

and secret service charter doesn't apply to prisons, nor does it dictate or have a say in what happens in any prison, nor can it override basic safety regulations, let alone in a manner that would lead to endangering the entire prison and risking an armed riot the moment the prisoners got their hands on those guns, and they would

Secret Service are to protect the President and his family from ALL threats (which is why they covered up for Hunter when they found that cocaine in the White House). Incarceration is a threat.

Which is not possible in prison and which does not change the fact that they are not permitted to carry firearms on prison grounds. and that coverup was blatantly illegal

Assuming the DOJ don't want to get into a shooting war with Trump's Secret Service detail, they will probably just let him do house arrest.

They would not be allowed onto the prison grounds in the first place so long as they are armed. They would never get past the fence. If they tried to force the matter they'd get arrested. If they tried to violently force the matter one of the armed tower guards would shoot them in two seconds flat, which they are explicitly authorized and required to do in such situations. You do not fuck around in prisons

The President has pardon power, and can be sworn in from anywhere. Hypothetically, he could be sworn in in prison and immediately pardon himself and order his release

Aside from the fact that if he tried to pardon himself it would look sketchy as hell politically and would probably trigger an impeachment given the current dem attitude toward him, its also likely a conflict of interest that would escalate to the supreme court. But thats secondary to the fact that a president can't pardon anyone without having first assumed the office, which would not happen until the supreme court got involved and determined whether he would be considered incapacitated and unable to carry out his presidential duties as required by the office, which he would be. It wouldn't be trump taking office it would be his VP

We don't know what they'll do because this is not a usual situation

No, we very much know they're not going to do that. They'd be killed and that would be the end of the secret service as it exists now right then and there

 

[Romulus augustulus]

The gambling people are also historically very good at predicting the results ahead of time. The only elections they have missed were 2000 and I think 1960. 2020 was another one where they missed but that one was different because the bookies were really struggling to explain how the results didn't match.

all three of those elections were stolen. Daley stole it for Kennedy in 60, jeb stole it for bush in 2000 and the dems stole it from trump in 2020.

 

[MirrorNoir]

It should also be noted that the Secret Service LOVES Trump, because unlike the Clintons and Obamas, Trump is good to them due to his knowing that by treating your security team with respect and kindness, you earn their undying loyalty. To the point that the bulk of Trump's SS detail followed him out the door rather than stick around working for Biden or get reassigned to the Clintons (and Hillary in particular, which was considered a punishment detail).

 

[likeacrackado]

We don't know what they'll do because this is not a usual situation

True, I just think your hypotheticals assume people stick to their guns in the face of overwhelming pressure. Federal agents at that.

The most likely outcome is house arrest and letting him keep some SS protection for wherever they let him stay.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

jeb stole it for bush in 2000

bush won
then the dems wanted a recount with new rules
then bush won again
then the dems wanted another recount with newer rules

 

[Bland Crumbs]

Quote from Trump just now:
The judge ought to end it
Now he meant the trial buuuuut...I agree Don.

@XYZpdq Jr. They wanted to keep recounting until the ballots were manipulated enough to give them a win. I guess not everything goes out of style.

The only reason people think 2000 was stolen is the media. You do not despise them enough.

 

[Dr J]

The bureau of prisons regulations, which are the first, last and only authority when on prison property.

"On prison property" being the key words here. Secret Service don't have to hand him over

Aside from the fact that if he tried to pardon himself it would look sketchy as hell politically

If elected he would be serving his second and final term in office to a post he cannot be re-elected. He doesn't have to give a single shit about how things look politically

would probably trigger an impeachment

Impeachment is a political process, a conviction for which they do not and will never have the votes

But thats secondary to the fact that a president can't pardon anyone without having first assumed the office, which would not happen until the supreme court got involved and determined whether he would be considered incapacitated and unable to carry out his presidential duties as required by the office, which he would be

No he wouldn't. The constitution says nothing about incarceration as a bar to being eligible to hold office, neither does the 25th Amendment, and as for 25th Amendment proceedings, if you've ever seen the show 24, you'll know that you need the Vice President and majority of the cabinet to sign off on that before a President can even be removed via 25th Amendment

They'd be killed

That's their job

that would be the end of the secret service as it exists now right then and there

I'm sure Barack Obama, George W Bush and Bill Clinton would love to hear that. I'm sure those guys don't totally still have enemies that would love to see them dead

It should also be noted that the Secret Service LOVES Trump, because unlike the Clintons and Obamas, Trump is good to them due to his knowing that by treating your security team with respect and kindness, you earn their undying loyalty.

Secret Service hate the Clintons (and guarding Hillary Clinton is considered dog duty) but they actually love the Obamas. Obama also treats them with respect

 

[Jaimas]

I for one think that it is likely you guys have put more thought on the logistics and next steps to be taken than the retards in charge.

I guarantee virtually none of them have thought further ahead than "WE GOT HIM *THIS* TIME FOR SURE"

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

jeb stole it for bush in 2000 and the dems stole it from trump in 2020.

Fucking Kill yourself, The DNC tried to Ratfuck the 2000 election after they lost until the SCOTUS told them to stop being retards.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

The gambling people are also historically very good at predicting the results ahead of time. The only elections they have missed were 2000 and I think 1960. 2020 was another one where they missed but that one was different because the bookies were really struggling to explain how the results didn't match.

I still remember getting my refund after that. It was a weird time.

 

[TJT]

all three of those elections were stolen. Daley stole it for Kennedy in 60, jeb stole it for bush in 2000 and the dems stole it from trump in 2020.

It stuns me how people still perpetuate that.

This is how it happened, even gay ass wikipedia records it this way because its the public record. Nonetheless every retard out there thinks it was stolen. Propaganda and narrative pushing absolutely work.

1. Election Happens
2. Bush wins by slight margin, triggering recount.
3. Gore demands recount in four counties only (Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach... why might that be?)
4. Gore appeals to Florida Supreme court to allow this. Florida Supreme says okay go ahead bro.
5. Bush appeals to Supreme Court on the ground of the 14th amendment saying you cannot just recount the counties you want.
6. Margin is very slim still and further recounting will allow for overseas ballots not yet arrived to be counted for the election and the recount must be all or nothing.
7. Gore concedes.

The icing on the cake is that Gore demanded a recount publicly but only legally requested the recount in those four counties. Muddying the water.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It stuns me how people still perpetuate that.

This is how it happened, even gay ass wikipedia records it this way because its the public record. Nonetheless every retard out there thinks it was stolen. Propaganda and narrative pushing absolutely work.

1. Election Happens
2. Bush wins by slight margin, triggering recount.
3. Gore demands recount in four counties only (Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach... why might that be?)
4. Gore appeals to Florida Supreme court to allow this. Florida Supreme says okay go ahead bro.
5. Bush appeals to Supreme Court on the ground of the 14th amendment saying you cannot just recount the counties you want.
6. Margin is very slim still and further recounting will allow for overseas ballots not yet arrived to be counted for the election and the recount must be all or nothing.
7. Gore concedes.

The icing on the cake is that Gore demanded a recount publicly but only legally requested the recount in those four counties. Muddying the water.

And at least one of the recounts increased Bush's lead.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

It stuns me how people still perpetuate that.

This is how it happened, even gay ass wikipedia records it this way because its the public record. Nonetheless every retard out there thinks it was stolen. Propaganda and narrative pushing absolutely work.

1. Election Happens
2. Bush wins by slight margin, triggering recount.
3. Gore demands recount in four counties only (Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach... why might that be?)
4. Gore appeals to Florida Supreme court to allow this. Florida Supreme says okay go ahead bro.
5. Bush appeals to Supreme Court on the ground of the 14th amendment saying you cannot just recount the counties you want.
6. Margin is very slim still and further recounting will allow for overseas ballots not yet arrived to be counted for the election and the recount must be all or nothing.
7. Gore concedes.

The icing on the cake is that Gore demanded a recount publicly but only legally requested the recount in those four counties. Muddying the water.

I hate to suggest him now because he has gone kind of crazy since October 7th but if you have not read Men In Black by Mark Levin I really recommend the book. There is a lot of how fucked SCOTUS has been but there is coverage of 2000. It is pretty interesting.