War NATO weighs no-fly zone over Ukraine amidst divided opinions - Estonia, the UK, Poland, Canada, Lithuania, and France have expressed readiness to extend their support, while the US and Germany remain opposed.

Estonia, the UK, Poland, Canada, Lithuania, and France have expressed readiness to extend their support, while the US and Germany remain opposed.

NATO member states are considering protecting the airspace over western Ukraine, reports BILD. While negotiations are ongoing, no final decision has been made yet.

Estonia, the UK, Poland, Canada, Lithuania, and France are willing to expand their support to Kyiv and potentially operate within Ukraine itself. The US and Germany are against such measures.

Current discussions encompass several areas, including training Ukrainian Armed Forces with NATO instructors in Ukraine.

Niko Lange, former head of the operational staff of the German Ministry of Defence, noted the practicality and cost-efficiency of sending NATO instructors to western Ukraine rather than having large numbers of Ukrainians travel across Europe for training. This point was also emphasized by Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis.

NATO countries, including the UK, Canada, and Estonia, are prepared to deliver arms and ammunition not just to the Ukrainian border but further along the frontline. Some Western nations are working on a "frontline logistics" concept.

The discussion includes protecting western Ukraine's airspace with NATO anti-aircraft systems, an initiative primarily supported by Poland, though no conclusive decision has been reached.

On May 21, President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that the NATO summit in Washington could decide on transferring seven Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine. He highlighted Ukraine's need for a significant number of such systems.

On May 24, Polish Foreign Ministry representative Pawel Wronski mentioned that Warsaw is considering using its own air defense systems to intercept Russian missiles over Ukraine.

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[Unarmed Gunman]

drawing out the conflict just causes more death

Americans are more than happy to spill Ukrainian blood for as long as it takes to ensure our Military Industrial Complex benefits. Remember kids, when you read "We support Ukraine!" be sure to swap it out with "We support Raytheon!" and everything will make more sense.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

Literally everyone I've seen online from Russia and Ukraine shitpost about this conflict or just want it to fucking end. Global media and the politician class have been treating the conflict like it's the new hot corona pandemic type issue ever since the restrictions started lifting. Millions of human lives being used as political good feels updoot fodder, makes me fucking sick.

I know people have feels about Tucker but he did a great interview with Jeffrey Sachs that covers the cause of this conflict pretty well.
For those interested.
The Ukraine specific stuff starts a few minutes in but there is some interesting stuff before that begins.

As a result it kind of explains why it is likely to drag on for years and years to come(I am fairly certain Trump will end it if he manages to get into office).

Oh and yes I do have this archived but it is massive so unless it is ever needed which is unlikely I will just warehouse it.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Wow imagine winning so hard NATO has to set up a no fly zone over the western half of it

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

No problem sending the NATO SAM systems for western Ukraine, but let the Ukrainians man them.

More Ukrainian blood for the blood god huh?

Did you get catfished out of social security by some mail order bride? There has to be an explanation why you're always calling for total Ukrop death.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Brussels.
A low yield tactical nuclear weapon over NATO headquarters.

Out of pure curiousity, just how far is NATO hq or the EU parliament from civilian populated areas?

 

[teriyakiburns]

I have a better idea: End the war.

Tell it to Russia. They chose to invade a sovereign nation.

 

[Male Idiot]

Tell it to Russia. They chose to invade a sovereign nation.

Unlike the USA, which never ever did that. Oh wait....

 

[teriyakiburns]

Unlike the USA, which never ever did that. Oh wait....

Whataboutism is stupid.

 

[Male Idiot]

What did Russia do? They attacked a weaker nation that provoked them. That's as basic a case of talking shit and getting as it can be done.

Hohols were the biggest European army discounting Russians. They kept bothering Hungary and Romania that lacked the muscle to strike back. They got real confident and they thought they were the king of Europe, did the same thing to Russia, and the ruskies responded. The Ukraine was asking for this, they just ised to have the common sense to bully smaller nations before.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

I have a better idea: End the war.

How?

 

[SIMIΔN]

How?

Global Height requirements to be head of government.
Vlad and Rishi are ~170cm, Vlod is ~167cm, Macron is 171. All of them made this conflict more bloody.

 

[St.Davis]

Tell it to Russia. They chose to invade a sovereign nation.

Russia is winning, they have no reason to do that. The idea that The Ukraine should just keep holding on and getting their men (and women, and retards, etc) killed until Russia mystically decides they don't want to keep going is barbaric. The trendline has Russia gaining ground and completing objectives, and without some sort of miracle this seems set to continue until they control at least Kiev. All that's happening now is that this is being slowed at the cost of human life (with the losses being heavier on The Ukraine's side, to my estimation. This is primarily based on an observation of materiel.)

The onus for ending a war is on the party at a disadvantage, regardless of your opinions on the justification of the conflict itself. The only two ways this war ends is either: The Ukraine surrenders, or NATO go full retard and intervene militarily (which results in WWIII, which nobody is winning).

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Tell it to Russia. They chose to invade a sovereign nation.

Self defense =/= invasion. It's like if the Chinese police stations in Canada openly controlled the country, were black-bagging Americans daily, bombing citizens who opposed them, and the Canadian government repeatedly declared its intention to destroy the US. If the US sent the military in to clean up Canada from lawless violence, then it wouldn't be an invasion so much as self-defense.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

years of sanctions that devastated their economy.

Lol no. Iraq was backed to the hilt by the Euros and Arabs until 1989.

If the Iran-Iraq war had lasted a bit longer Iraq would have been getting the latest French Mirage 2000 jets, French SAMs, and more modern Migs at the minimum.

What happened was the Arab money hose was turned off and Saddam couldn't afford the gigantic Iraqi military anymore so.... Hmm Kuwait has lots of oil, I owe them a LOT of cash and they're small and weak..... This will be easy

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

Americans are more than happy to spill Ukrainian blood for as long as it takes to ensure our Military Industrial Complex benefits. Remember kids, when you read "We support Ukraine!" be sure to swap it out with "We support Raytheon!" and everything will make more sense.

Tale as old as... well, WWII at least. Yanks "supported" the allies to ensure the demolition of the economies of Europe and the US's place as the world's sole industrial power. Britain's end of the bargain included:

• Ridiculously usurious war loans that were finally paid off in 2006(!!)
• Gifting the US Britain's entire knowledge base of nuclear research, with the understanding that this would be reciprocated. Get told to eat shit after the US gets its side of the deal.
• Dismantling its empire basically at quiet gunpoint from the US after the war (The Suez crisis; The US pressuring Britain to surrender the truly native Falkland islands to the empty claim of junta-led Argentina; The CIA infiltrating British government positions to overthrow the prime minister of Australia over disagreements about US bases).

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Lol no. Iraq was backed to the hilt by the Euros and Arabs until 1989.

The Iran/Iraq War had severely depleted Iraq prior to 1991; subsequent to Desert Storm and prior to the 2003 invasion, sanctions and the no fly zone further degraded the Iraqi economy,

The Arab Gulf principalities hated Iraq because they were a huge producer of sweet crude and Kuwait encroached on Iraqi territory, which set off Iraq's offensive and became the casus belli for Desert Storm, which they enthusiastically supported. They also hated Iraq because it was Baathist, and had significant support among Arab nationalists which was a threat to their rule.

Euros do whatever America tells them to do, so they traded and supported Iraq until the US told them not to. With the exception of France, until skeevy jew Sarkozy had France join NATO again to avoid paying Khadafi the millions he loaned him and convinced Hillary invading Libya was a genius move.

lol at thinking Gulf Arabs rulers ever had anything but hate for Saddam. I can tell you never had any meaningful contact with any Gulf Arabs; the majority absolutely despise their rulers and still admire Saddam.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

There's an easy way to end the war, just nuke London, Paris, Brussels, and the Vatican.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Out of pure curiousity, just how far is NATO hq or the EU parliament from civilian populated areas?

It's fairly close but a low yield nuke detonated at ground level should limit casualties to mainly NATO personnel.

A surgical nuclear strike, if you will.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Unlike the USA, which never ever did that. Oh wait....

The US military took over Iraq in less than 35 days thousands of miles from home. Meanwhile it's Day 825 in the Russo-Ukranian War if you count from Feb 2022.....

If you're going to invade a country, don't bungle it.

Oh and before "MUH VIETNAM", the US never invaded N. Vietnam.

Russia is winning, they have no reason to do that. The idea that The Ukraine should just keep holding on and getting their men (and women, and retards, etc) killed until Russia mystically decides they don't want to keep going is barbaric. The trendline has Russia gaining ground and completing objectives, and without some sort of miracle this seems set to continue until they control at least Kiev. All that's happening now is that this is being slowed at the cost of human life (with the losses being heavier on The Ukraine's side, to my estimation. This is primarily based on an observation of materiel.)

The onus for ending a war is on the party at a disadvantage, regardless of your opinions on the justification of the conflict itself. The only two ways this war ends is either: The Ukraine surrenders, or NATO go full retard and intervene militarily (which results in WWIII, which nobody is winning).

At that metric, Russian will be fighting in Ukraine until 2030.... Russia has probably lost 70,000 men in ~825 days in Ukraine.... Is Russia prepared to lose another 70,000?

What about 100,000?

How much longer can Russia sustain the war economy?

How many more ships, jets, tanks, howitzers, helicopters and trucks can Russia lose before it's offensive capability is so degraded it can't exploit a worn down Ukrainian military?

Is Ukraine having issues? Yes but it hasn't had a hundred thousand man plus mobilization yet.

The war will not end until 2025 at the earliest.

Tale as old as... well, WWII at least. Yanks "supported" the allies to ensure the demolition of the economies of Europe and the US's place as the world's sole industrial power. Britain's end of the bargain included:

• Ridiculously usurious war loans that were finally paid off in 2006(!!)
• Gifting the US Britain's entire knowledge base of nuclear research, with the understanding that this would be reciprocated. Get told to eat shit after the US gets its side of the deal.
• Dismantling its empire basically at quiet gunpoint from the US after the war (The Suez crisis; The US pressuring Britain to surrender the truly native Falkland islands to the empty claim of junta-led Argentina; The CIA infiltrating British government positions to overthrow the prime minister of Australia over disagreements about US bases).

The Brits were bankrupt after 1945 and between WW1 and WW2 the empire was getting more and more expensive.

After WW2 the British were finished and it's been a slow motion collapse ever since.

The Brits did it to themselves and they deserve the hell they've made for themselves.

 

[northstar747]

At that metric, Russian will be fighting in Ukraine until 2030.... Russia has probably lost 70,000 men in ~825 days in Ukraine.... Is Russia prepared to lose another 70,000?

Russia will do what ever it takes to de nazi the ukraine!!

I m just wondering when france will send their africans into the war russia will fall to the BBC!!!