Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

[ducktales4gameboy]

Kettlebell weights tend to scale a bit differently than dumbbells because a lot of stuff you do with them are compounds so whatever the weakest muscle going into the exercise is will probably be a failing point. If it's just one specific muscle you'll probably progress reasonably fast. If you're not used to them I'd suggest getting to a gym with a big selection (even if it's just a day pass) and figuring out which weight range you need. When I went back to them I had to start around 20kg due to my lower back weakness but moved up to 24 within a couple weeks; currently doing 3x35 36kg but haven't managed to get through the third set without hitting the exhaustion point yet.

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

Yeah its a shame about Blaha and the Misfits, way more entertaining than alot of the stupid lolcows that havea following. Moon Cookie is old news Im guessing.. And are people ACTUALLY paying Blahino to coach them? That sounds unfucking believable but he is talking about "Muh Clients" on his rambling videos.

Moon Cookie has been replaced by a murderer. I think there might be like 5 people paying blahino to coath them but he lies so that might be a high amount

 

[Its Vladi Bby]

Moon Cookie has been replaced by a murderer. I think there might be like 5 people paying blahino to coath them but he lies so that might be a high amount

5 is still fn crazy.. who sees our boy Hemmingway and gives him money to coach them? He had zero credentials, just an old Polaroid pic of him at his "peak"

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Somehow the hotel I’m at has an honest to God Pullover machine. That shit is nice, it’s been my white whale of gyms for a while now.
Got to say, that squeeze of the lats is just amazing. The Pullover is already one of the best lat builders ever, and resistance throughout the entire ROM of that movement is just fucking sick. Much better than cables, imo.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

Got a question: what muscles do RDLs train compared to using a leg press machine? I've tried exercising each of these on different days and they seem to make the same muscles ache. wondering if I'm doing unnecessary muscle group repetition by doing both of them in one day. I changed from dumbbell lunges to leg press because I cannot maintain form/balance w/lunges

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Got a question: what muscles do RDLs train compared to using a leg press machine? I've tried exercising each of these on different days and they seem to make the same muscles ache. wondering if I'm doing unnecessary muscle group repetition by doing both of them in one day. I changed from dumbbell lunges to leg press because I cannot maintain form/balance w/lunges

They do train similar muscles.
The RDL trains the hamstrings, glutes, and lower back. The whole posterior chain.
The Leg Press trains the quads and the glutes.

 

[Swine Schwein]

wondering if I'm doing unnecessary muscle group repetition by doing both of them in one day

Nope, not unnecessary, although you alone decide how you split your exercises. Like the other guy said RDL targets the posterior chain, and it's a lot different from leg press which is a push movement mostly for your quads.

Both are kind of compound exercises as there are many muscles involved and you can certainly feel it, but they are by no means the same, and doing one shouldn't disqualify you from doing the other as they can complement each other. If you're going to replace, say, leg press with something, it's not gonna be RDLs which is a hip hinge movement, it's going to be something like barbell squats.

But like I said you decide how you split it. You know from experience how many compound exercises you can handle in the same session, and how long it takes to recover to feel good. That should be more important here I think.

 

[thejackal2]

Somehow the hotel I’m at has an honest to God Pullover machine. That shit is nice, it’s been my white whale of gyms for a while now.
Got to say, that squeeze of the lats is just amazing. The Pullover is already one of the best lat builders ever, and resistance throughout the entire ROM of that movement is just fucking sick. Much better than cables, imo.

Shocking how few people I see doing pullovers. It's all cable stuff now. Single handled cable row is one of my favorites but then again so are pullovers. I think pullovers are good for my stabilizer muscles as I always feel some tension in my lower ribcage as well. Good for flexibility as well for sports as you age.

@Swine Schwein kettlebells got trendy for a few years but I'm not really a huge fan of them. I use them at times but only as a supplement to that day's target muscles. Would never try and get serious mass just using them alone. I guess for like a small home gym setup you can get a lot of bang for your buck, but that "bang" would be amplified exponentially in a real gym with real racks, free weights, etc.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

I'm officially strong now lol, compliments from old friends feel good bros

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

I'm officially strong now lol, compliments from old friends feel good bros

Enjoy getting hit on by women over 50.
Legit, I work customer service and the amount of older women who hit on me is weird to say the least. I've had them randomly try to set me up with their daughters or themselves, it's bizarre and scary.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

Enjoy getting hit on by women over 50.
Legit, I work customer service and the amount of older women who hit on me is weird to say the least. I've had them randomly try to set me up with their daughters or themselves, it's bizarre and scary.

I've been wanting to take the MILF pill regardless...

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Shocking how few people I see doing pullovers. It's all cable stuff now. Single handled cable row is one of my favorites but then again so are pullovers. I think pullovers are good for my stabilizer muscles as I always feel some tension in my lower ribcage as well.

They are, I am not exaggerating, a mandatory lift for any bodybuilder or regular gym goer. This is one of many cases where the old school is right, they do things no other lift really can.
The lower rib cage you feel is actually the serratus, a sheet of muscle that ties the chest and back together in the most basic terms without getting all kinesiology on you. It’s the muscle that looks like fingers going down from your ribs under your lats to your obliques, as a bodybuilder it’s the thing that ties the front and back together and makes you look chiseled.
For sports performance, it stabilizes the whole girdle allowing you to produce more force more precisely.
The real magic is what it does for your lats as well. It is a fantastic isolation with a massive stretch. Makes them flare like a king cobra. The broscience is that it expands the rib cage, but in reality it also trains the muscles that hold the rib cage making it shape up into that sweet v-taper.
The Pulliver is my favorite lift, do them and you’ll never go back.

 

[anustart76]

pullovers

Do you absolutely need a bench for pullovers?

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Do you absolutely need a bench for pullovers?

I’ve used a chair before, you just need something to lay over where you can rest your shoulder blades and drop your hips.

 

[Flavius Claudius Julianus]

Anyone have experience with weighlifting shoes? My converse are getting to the end of their life and I think its time to get the big boy heels for max quad gains, but other than addidas and squat u's shoes, I dont see many good options.

My time to shine. I'm a bit of a shoe retard, and own/have owned pretty much everything made since 2000 or so. I guess my recommendations could go a few ways, so I'll lay out a few questions to narrow things down. My perspective is from weightlifting, but I train for strength outside of the classic lifts too.

1) Do you have narrow or wide feet?

2) Big budget, or more modest?

3) Preference for wooden heels, or is TPU good enough?

4) Do you plan on doing the classic lifts (snatch/clean and jerk,) or are they just for squats and accessories?

5) How's your ankle mobility?

Generally speaking, a pair of Romaleos 2 if you can get them cheap on the used market is going to be the best 'all rounder.' I can narrow it down better with some details though.

 

[Grapefruit Soda]

I'm a lucker with a midsize budget and narrow feet, my ankle mobility is really good from being a longboarder, I've squatted in chuck taylors for years now, so i've never had experience with wood or tpu for heels, although my squat is moving into the 315lb+ range again, and oly lifts aren't for me.

 

[Flavius Claudius Julianus]

I'm a lucker with a midsize budget and narrow feet, my ankle mobility is really good from being a longboarder, I've squatted in chuck taylors for years now, so i've never had experience with wood or tpu for heels, although my squat is moving into the 315lb+ range again, and oly lifts aren't for me.

1. Romaleos 2
2. Reebok Legacy Lifter (first and second gen are virtually identical, and both have the same excellent qualities. Personally I think the original gen is the best squat-specific shoe ever.
3. Adidas Adipower (not the latest model, the 2012-16 era, usually can be picked up for sub 50 USD, generally considered Adidas' last best lifting shoe.)

Options 2 and 3 are quite inexpensive on the used market, with virtually new pairs popping up constantly. New, they sold up to size 15, so you're covered regardless of sizing.

Option 1 is typically more expensive as its considered the 'holy grail' of general lifting shoes, outside of some wooden heeled Adidas numbers, or Japanese Asics. Expect to pay a bit more, but you do see these come up at bargain prices sometimes.

If you held a gun to my head, I'd shoot for the Reebok LL - especially if your use case is squats only.

 

[Swine Schwein]

kettlebells got trendy for a few years but I'm not really a huge fan of them. I use them at times but only as a supplement to that day's target muscles. Would never try and get serious mass just using them alone.

Oh no, they wouldn't be for mass. Just support stuff for my weak lower back and hinge movements. Still haven't got one but I will when I get around to it.

 

[salvuserit]

Bodyweight broke 170lbs recently dawgs. 180 is just around the corner woopwoop!

 

[Rusty Shekelford]

1. Romaleos 2
2. Reebok Legacy Lifter (first and second gen are virtually identical, and both have the same excellent qualities. Personally I think the original gen is the best squat-specific shoe ever.
3. Adidas Adipower (not the latest model, the 2012-16 era, usually can be picked up for sub 50 USD, generally considered Adidas' last best lifting shoe.)

Options 2 and 3 are quite inexpensive on the used market, with virtually new pairs popping up constantly. New, they sold up to size 15, so you're covered regardless of sizing.

Option 1 is typically more expensive as its considered the 'holy grail' of general lifting shoes, outside of some wooden heeled Adidas numbers, or Japanese Asics. Expect to pay a bit more, but you do see these come up at bargain prices sometimes.

If you held a gun to my head, I'd shoot for the Reebok LL - especially if your use case is squats only.

would these suggestions be the same for deadlifts too? When do you think you're getting into the weight ranges where lifting specific shoes are really helpful?