Horrorcow Cecily Kellogg / CecilyK / Uppercase Woman - unrepentant terrible human being liked by no one.

[glass_houses]

So she wants to empower women by ensuring her daughter comes out as dumb as possible?
Seems logical

To be fair if you're a narcissistic sociopath the logic isn't terrible. Cecily knows that if her daughter becomes educated she might realize that she has options other than being her mother's pawn.

Cecily doesn't believe in anything. It just so happens that the SJW bracket is pretty much tailor made for someone like herself. If there were no internet and women were still chained to the kitchen sink she'd be waving around bits of charcoal that she alleges is cake, and all of the local women would tell her that it was a beautiful cake and Cecily would not merely believe them, but genuinely think that they were acknowledging her brilliance. In reality, half the women would be there because they pitied her, and the other half because that they had legit grounds to be afraid of her because she's bug fuck insane and the type who'll set fire to your house if you piss her off. In a world where women were soldiers, she'd be the total wanker who spent the entire war fifty kilometres away from the front, taking boxes off one truck and putting them in another in the supply warehouse, and who then comes back home howling and sobbing about her PTSD and full of lurid stories about her being forced to use her best friend's corpse as a barricade for three days as the enemy tried to break through the line.

The SJW movement attracts people like Cecily in the tens of thousands. What is the absolute worst crime in SJW culture? It's questioning what people say. Even so much as a "please edify, I'm not sure I understand" provokes deafening howls. Cecily can squat on a dais, covered in filth and gnawing on a child's thighbone in full sight of all and sundry, and if any single person doesn't genuflect, let alone ask what the hell happened to the rest of the child, they'll be beaten until there'd not a single unbroken bone in their body and dragged outside to die in the gutter.

As far as the SJW movement is concerned it isn't what you do, it's what you say, like any other cult. Cecily is indeed destroying her own daughter because Cecily will not tolerate even the slightest chance that Tori will somehow surpass her, even if it's something as simple as throwing a tennis ball against the fence. But so long as Cecily says the right words and recites the right koans, so long as she's plugged into the SJW movement, there is nothing and no one that will ever so much as suggest that she's narcissistic and vicious enough to more than qualify for a personality disorder.

 

[Every Crook and Nanny]

There's no hope for Tori, is there? Even if someone was able to successfully pry her from her whale of a "mother" and her influence, is she too far gone to be rehabilitated?

 

[Kikomi]

There's no hope for Tori, is there? Even if someone was able to successfully pry her from her whale of a "mother" and her influence, is she too far gone to be rehabilitated?

truthfully, nobody can know for sure.
my hopes aren't very high.

you know how people say it's way easier to learn a new language as a little kid rather than waiting until you're an adult? that's cause of neuroplasticity. kids pick up info really fast because their brains are growing. they soak information up and they're extremely impressionable. if a child is raised to believe a certain thing, it's very, very likely that they will continue to believe it into adulthood. it's for this same reason that kids don't ever forget the language they were taught first and why you can't forget how to ride a bike. as you get older, it's thought that your neuroplasticity decreases. since your brain is no longer an impressionable child's brain, it's not as easy to learn new things. it's also very difficult to unlearn things you were taught as a kid. a good example of why neuroplasticity is a thing is the case of genie wiley, a "feral" child who was raised locked in a room basically from birth for 13 years, often tied down, completely starved of mental stimulation. although she was rescued, as an adult, she has not learned how to speak because the most developmentally important years of her life were spent deprived of stimuli. now obviously tori's situation isn't nearly as grim, but it's bad in its own right.

basically, the problem with tori's situation is that she's been conditioned by cecily since she was a baby. preteen years are crucial years for a person's development. cecily is literally forcing tori's brain to develop a certain way, or rather, barely develop at all, considering the lack of a proper education.
we know that tori has violent outbursts that her parents don't give a shit about. without discipline, she's basically being conditioned to disregard authority and she thinks that she can get away with shitty behavior. the school she's attending has no structure or guidance, and kids are left wondering what the fuck to do. they should be learning, but their growth is figuratively stunted because they do nothing but play without any structured academic lessons or authority.

TLDR;
the longer tori spends with her parents, the less likely she is to ever realize how shit her situation is, and there's probably already been irreversible damage done to her intellectual development.
if she ever breaks free and tries to get a proper education, she will likely have a very difficult time.

 

[JudgingYou]

I don't think Cecily is guilty of a great conspiracy to keep her child from becoming better than her. If anything I believe Cecily would love nothing more than for Tori to become successful so she can carry her parents' fat asses once she's old enough to work. I don't think it boils down to anything more or less than laziness. Cecily and Charlie are too lazy to do what needs to be done to be good parents.

• Too lazy to discipline Tori so she runs amok.
• Too lazy to teach Tori to eat properly and exercise so Tori is now overweight.
• Too lazy to put together a real birthday party, Cecily and Charlie act as if they're above party games and goodybags.
• Too lazy to wake up on time to parent and amuse their daughter, so they leave her a box of poptarts and a computer
• Too lazy to help out at school and do what needs to be done for Tori to conform and fit in at a traditional school, so Tori goes to the glorified day care.
• Too lazy to take Tori to the park or walk her to school so Cecily becomes a "free range parent."

Cecily is only willing to expend energy into a few things; making money (which she isn't very good at), swearing (because it makes her seem so edgy), and showing how tolerant and feminist she is.

No need to overthink it. She's a lazy cow.

 

[lesbolution]

I still think she just wanted to play the victim of infertility and she doesn't know what to do with a kid now that she has one. what she's doing isn't parenting, it's laziness.

 

[drain]

I don't think Cecily is guilty of a great conspiracy to keep her child from becoming better than her

This sick beast want to be the number one. She wants to be the 'best', and shove her lifestyle down other 'mommys' throats.
She will never admit her daughter being a decent human being, because she can't be one.

 

[guacieface]

All parents have bad days, but reading how this creature parents is heartbreaking.

 

[Zarkov]

All parents have bad days, but reading how this creature parents is heartbreaking.

That beached whale doesn't parent. On the contrary, she encourages the only child she failed to kill to be as feral as possible.

 

[exceptionalgoogle]

I don't think Cecily is conscious of what she is doing to Tori. I am sure she believes she's a great mom, giving Tori a decent life and a good shot at a better one than she herself has had. I also think Cecily looks at her own childhood--her father dumped her and her mom when she was 19 months old, never to return or give any form of support; she had a volatile relationship with her mother; they never had any money, living on dried beans and not much else, etc--and thinks Tori has it made compared to her. There's a guy sleeping on the couch who she can identify as her father, for starters.

Spoiler: personal feels shit

I had parents who were not dissimilar to Cecily and Charlie. Shit was fucked up on so many levels, yet to this day they believe they did the best they could. Nice fantasy, but no. Even confronted with obviously true facts about the circumstances of our family life, they wave them away and say "You had it made." If parents like this DON'T believe that, it means they have to face the truth about themselves. That is not an option for responsibility-dodging people like this.

Cecily cannot even face the truth about what she looks like, let alone about what kind of person and mother she is. In her mind, she's the woman on the left. In her mind, she's a good mother. She won't pay the price for her delusion--only Tori (and Tori's children, if she has any) will.

 

[Xerxes IX]

There's no hope for Tori, is there? Even if someone was able to successfully pry her from her whale of a "mother" and her influence, is she too far gone to be rehabilitated?

There is hope, think of everyone raised in fundie christian households who became euphoric atheists. Sometimes kids raised like this flip to the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Vapour]

There is hope, think of everyone raised in fundie christian households who became euphoric atheists. Sometimes kids raised like this flip to the other end of the spectrum.

Whilst true, there's no compensating for the horrendous education Tori has. If she doesn't learn to do basic stuff at her age, she's going to be screwed for life, basically. At this age she should have a grasp of pretty basic mathematics like multiplication tables, whether Tori can has yet to be seen, but that school doesn't look like the type to be doing that sort of thing daily.

 

[exceptionalgoogle]

There is always hope.

Spoiler: more personal stuff

Not many people who saw how I was being raised thought I would turn out OK. The one advantage I had was that my parents prized education to a large extent (though this didn't motivate them to save for university). So I was always read to, encouraged to read, left at the library all day, etc. No way my parents would have put me in a glorified daycare. This meant I knew there was a world out there were people didn't live like this, and that the way my parents behaved was shameful and to be shunned.

Tori has nothing to compare her parents to, because they have been careful to surround themselves with other losers who send their kids to the Philly Free School. Cecily has blogged extensively about how uncomfortable she is around parents who are 'normies' and how she avoids them at all costs, so Tori doesn't see how emotionally healthy families function.

So there is hope. It's possible--though not probable--that Tori will somehow have a good life. Honestly, in cases like this her best shot is marrying someone smart and rich who will earn the money while she holds things down on the domestic front, does some charity work, etc. But she is unlikely to encounter good prospects for such an arrangement if her parents keep her penned in with losers for the rest of her childhood. She will hang out with trashy people like the ones she has been raised with, none of whom are likely to amount to anything.

Underachievement will be normal. Finding the most comfortable spot in the room will be normal. Failing to strive will be normal. Laziness will be normal. If she's lucky, she might not realize how bad she has it. But she is likely to mirror her parents and use alcohol, drugs, food and other substances/processes to self-soothe and self-destruct. Unfortunately you can't Picmonkey away all the ways your life sucks.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Whilst true, there's no compensating for the horrendous education Tori has. If she doesn't learn to do basic stuff at her age, she's going to be screwed for life, basically. At this age she should have a grasp of pretty basic mathematics like multiplication tables, whether Tori can has yet to be seen, but that school doesn't look like the type to be doing that sort of thing daily.

In that case the only thing that'd help is if she had the drive to learn things herself and catch up on everything. Of course, even in that case her parents would be no help so it'd be extremely difficult.

 

[MG 620]

All parents have bad days, but reading how this creature parents is heartbreaking.

These two parents have bad decades.

 

[exceptionalgoogle]

One of the worst things about the internet is how no matter how fucked up you are, you can find an online community of people who are just as bad and will assure you that you are NOT bad. Sometimes they go for a self-deprecating, "ha ha isn't my failure to grow up adorable?" tone, but it's mostly sheer pride in being fuckups. These people reinforce one another and make horrible parenting seem not only excusable, but somehow normal. Cecily and her ilk are surrounded by cheerleading squads for child neglect and abuse. So it's up to us to hold them to account. If only excessive Picmonkey use was Cecily's biggest crime.

 

[Dog Prom 3D]

Cecily sincerely thinks that Tori is very intelligent and talented and that Tori was getting dragged down by the rules and regulations put in place by institutions that value well-behaved mind slaves. She doesn't think even subconsciously that she's hobbling Tori socially or intellectually (the obesity is another matter, and is deliberate) - she thinks she is taking steps to ensure the boldness inside Tori is never stamped out by schools dedicated to spitting out perfect little workers who will never complain about cubicle culture.

She wants Tori to be an ill-behaved, belligerent, foul-mouthed society reject because Cecily sees genuine value in being that way.

And I know people can whip themselves up into a moral frenzy about Tori's plight. Cecily's parenting is appalling to decent people. But when it comes to CPS reporting, we must bear in mind that the individual in this country has the right to make appalling educational choices for their kids and the Philly Free School is seen as a valid choice -Sudbury schools are legal, as is unschooling, depending on rules in each state.

Moreover, Philadelphia CPS is overwhelmed by children who are almost beaten to death, starved, kept in closets, sexually abused and exploited. Tori is being cheated intellectually but so are half the kids who attend Philadelphia public schools. And as of yet Tori's obesity isn't anywhere as dire as child starving to death. Her mother's bad choices don't include drugs, physical violence, sexual violence, and on and on. Tori isn't a good use for CPS time when they are already so overwhelmed. Should Cess snap and begin beating Tori with electrical cord, force feeding her until she is so full she aspirates on the food, encouraging her 10 year old to become sexually active or worse, Tori is not a good use of CPS time.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

I won't deny that a lot of public schools are pure shit, but I fail to see how no education whatsoever is the proper alternative.

 

[PT 404]

I just h

There is hope, think of everyone raised in fundie christian households who became euphoric atheists. Sometimes kids raised like this flip to the other end of the spectrum.

Truth. I bet that Tori will be dead set on being normie as fucking possible once puberty arrives.

 

[RI 360]

If there's some kind of forum Cecily gets her support and asspats from, I would put the effort into making a thread about it in community watch.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

If there's some kind of forum Cecily gets her support and asspats from, I would put the effort into making a thread about it in community watch.

there's been talk of giving the school its own thread.