US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Betonhaus]

We're in a 'death by 1000 cuts' sort of scenario. Slowly, each obvious injustice jades more people. Right now, there are still avenues that aren't obviously cut off(Trump can still be on the ballet, appeals are still in play(even if the courts have been proven to be rotten, there still are times they make the right, by way of how the laws are written, decision)) but if those get messed with, its more pressure that can't be safely released.

Here's the thing, Trump has successfully appealed previous decisions, so the New York decision barely registeres as there's precedent of him overturning an insane lawsuit. However, he had fought very hard and failed to overturn a fraudulent election, which led to four years of pain for the people where life became measurably worse. Precedent says that if the election is stolen then it can't be won back in the courts, and if it's stolen then there will be four more years of pain and misery - with nothing stopping the pain and misery from continuing indefinitely. Election day IS the actual Rubicon, where people see if their faith in the system is warranted or not. Of it is proven to be unfounded then things will get bad very quickly, as people will fall into nihilism and see that the rules of society no longer matter. It may or may not start with a big incident in the days after the election, but there will be more and more people who no longer see the point of being rule-abiding citizens when there is no benefit to doing so.

In fact, I expect some people to not even wait until the election to enact their version of justice. In the month before the election there will most likely be a few high profile murder attempts of Democrat politicians and their supporters, from lone actors who are convinced that they will steal the election again. Nonzero chances that the election is suspended due to a civil war.

 

[Dr J]

I'm not normally the type to see silver linings to all this, but I've a feeling that once the afterglow of the Orange boogeyman being put away fades, the split between the mainstream liberals and hard leftists is going ratchet up. The uniparty is going to try to put the Golem back into the box now that it no longer is useful to them, but it's not going down without a fight.

They'll gloat and celebrate for like a day, these people are never fucking happy. It is like you say, the Biden administration needed a distraction from their utter incompetence and attempts to split the baby between their pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian cohorts

Nonzero chances that the election is suspended due to a civil war.

Well, even the actual Civil War didn't suspend elections so that's not going to happen

 

[Betonhaus]

https://x.com/Timcast/status/1796326675929534972

 

[Rykel22]

Here's the thing, Trump has successfully appealed previous decisions, so the New York decision barely registeres as there's precedent of him overturning an insane lawsuit. However, he had fought very hard and failed to overturn a fraudulent election, which led to four years of pain for the people where life became measurably worse. Precedent says that if the election is stolen then it can't be won back in the courts, and if it's stolen then there will be four more years of pain and misery - with nothing stopping the pain and misery from continuing indefinitely. Election day IS the actual Rubicon, where people see if their faith in the system is warranted or not. Of it is proven to be unfounded then things will get bad very quickly, as people will fall into nihilism and see that the rules of society no longer matter. It may or may not start with a big incident in the days after the election, but there will be more and more people who no longer see the point of being rule-abiding citizens when there is no benefit to doing so.

In fact, I expect some people to not even wait until the election to enact their version of justice. In the month before the election there will most likely be a few high profile murder attempts of Democrat politicians and their supporters, from lone actors who are convinced that they will steal the election again. Nonzero chances that the election is suspended due to a civil war.

Yeah, I see the election as the last pressure valve that can be counted on. If there's fuckery(or perceived fuckery), then people might start taking the dramatic moves.

 

[PFM]

If there's fuckery(or perceived fuckery), then people might start taking the dramatic moves.

"The people" have mortgages, full time jobs, responsibilities to their family. Call me a doomer but I expect people to just stop participating, that'll be their protest.

 

[spaztocate9000]

Maybe it looks like one because deep down it is a shithole country. It may not have been one 20 or even 15 years ago, but America is basically the Soviet Union 2.0 minus the more egregious violations of human rights and what not.

Nigga did you sleep through covid?

 

[MugolEx]

Yeah, I see the election as the last pressure valve that can be counted on. If there's fuckery(or perceived fuckery), then people might start taking the dramatic moves.

Normally I'd call you out for cope and sneed. But then again a lot of us were wrong about Jan 6. Thing is, I imagine they're counting on it. They want a bunch of Trump supporters rioting as that would be great for their narrative and setting even more new precedents.

If Trump does somehow win in the end. The sperg out from the left would be something beyond legendary, mystic even.

 

[ShitLurker]

Do you not remember what happened during the three months following the night of the fraudulent counts? First there were several lawsuits, which were eventually rejected due to latches (can't stop the steal because it hasn't happened yet, can't stop the steal because it's in progress, can't stop the steal because it is over). There were forced recounts, there was an appeal to the SCOTUS, and there was the Republican controlled Senate and vice president that could've vetoed the results. These were all things that people assumed would be actually functioning checks and balances. But then the courts ignored the evidence - including the counters being caught on camera pulling suitcases of fake ballots out once the poll watchers were locked out, the SCOTUS refused to listen to the case, the Senate chose to accept the results (Citing the Jan 6 incident as their reasoning), and the vice president accepted the results.

There were at least a dozen opportunities where people legitimaty believed that the rule of law would correct the fraud, and a dozen times where the fraud prevailed.

Most importantly, the Jan 6 false flag attack showed everyone that if they go in guns blazing without a plan they would be tricked and made an example of. These people have had four years to come up with a plan, and they no longer have faith in the rule of law to correct the injustice. Come election day people have a plan to make their own justice.

I know, I was glued like a hawk to all of it and choking on copium every single minute...

And it meant nothing.

I get what you mean, I get the whole "eventually something snaps and all hell breaks lose", and I also agree that when the election gets stolen again (I'm convinced this is how it will play out) is the last real time any sort of proper chimpout can even hope to happen.

But don't deny the other multiple steps that you outlined weren't more than warranted to go ballistic.

I go back to the South American example, when did Venezuelans start chimping out? When they were actively hungry and disarmed. I may be very pleasantly surprised and when the election gets stolen again nobody will take it sitting down, but I still think it's more likely that everyone will shut up and sit down except for a couple of guys that get turned into examples.

Others have said it and I agree, your average american still has so much more to lose before they go all in on sedition.

 

[mandatorylurk]

I just saw Michael Cohen on Good Morning America acting like he's saved the world, he's a liar sure but it was because he was working for Trump, but he's clean now, honest. Today will be a good barometer at work, because the only people I've seen act like this is good are faggots in DC and NYC. If this and their faggy nominee wakes up some more lolbertarians to vote Trump, good.

 

[The Ugly One]

There is not a single element of the Trump case that will endure a legitimate appeal of any kind.

And If I believed we still had a government concerned with its own legitimacy, I'd be optimistic.

Election day IS the actual Rubicon, where people see if their faith in the system is warranted or not.

As someone who completely lost faith in the system in 2020, I am behaving like any other citizen of any other Third World country does. I am taking every step I can to insulate myself and my family from the unrestrained criminality of our corrupt, single-party regime. The historical pattern for what people do when their government goes to shit is they just cope. Revolutions only happen when either some faction of the elite decides organizing one is a better play than trying to get along with the other elites, like USA 1776, or when people are literally dying in droves due to the government's fecklessness, like Russia 1917.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

For what it's worth, the s don't seem to care all that much about conviction.
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Recent polls say, at worst, Trump loses 2% overall... MAYBE. 15% more likely to vote for him as 17% less likely.....

 

[X Prime]

The key issue is that the conviction hurts him amongst the types who care about things like decorum.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

The key issue is that the conviction hurts him amongst the types who care about things like decorum.

those fags weren't going to vote for Trump anyway

 

[X Prime]

those fags weren't going to vote for Trump anyway

You'd be surprised actually, I have spoken to some and they are still all-in on Trump over Biden, but they also know that other people like them will not see it that way because there's too many stupid people.

 

[mandatorylurk]

You can see the inherent faggotry of modern college infect everything that comes into contact with it.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

those fags weren't going to vote for Trump anyway

The same people concerned with decorum turned a blind eye to a child sniffing pedophile and a bald tranny who steals women's clothing out of airports.

As far as I'm concerned, decency and decorum are the names of the anal lubes congressional staffers use to have gay sex with each other.

 

[The Nothingness]

The next time someone smugly declares "no one is above the law", ask them why did Hillary Clinton got a fine for the same crime Trump was covicted over.

 

[Meat Target]

So is he free till sentencing?

 

[AnotherPleb]

So is he free till sentencing?

Not if they have any say.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

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You can see the inherent faggotry of modern college infect everything that comes into contact with it.

This is quite possibly the most retarded take that has come out of this trial.

Sure it was a show trial but the jury said he was guilty of the made up charges so just bend over and take it.

Fucking unreal.