Careercow Donald J Trump - 45th/47th President of the USA, convicted felon, Epstein bro, Putin simp, serial liar, sore loser, cheat and the Chris-Chan of Presidents. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DEBATE THREAD.

Name one politician who doesn't secretly or outright hates the common man.
I can't and it doesn't change anything I said. No one should worship any politician or believe anything that comes out of their mouth. Biden included. At least Biden supporters still have enough shame to keep their spergy bullshit in safe spaces.

The majority of what you see is just hating Trump for the sake of hating him, not explicitly supporting Biden to the point of embarassment.
 
I don't understand why black people vote Democrat at all considering how much of a hand Democrats had in Jim Crow and the KKK and shit
Because the Republican Party deliberately (and violently) opposed the civil rights movement in an attempt to win over southern whites and thought the Democrat's legacy of slavery would be enough to keep all their northern and civilised votes even while they openly campaigned against basic civil rights for the melanated. It was called the 'Southern Strategy' if I remember right and it worked okay for a while.
 
Can I ask why people are skeptical about him going to prison? it’s a felony conviction and his ex-attorney, Michael Cohen, did time for the same crime. What am I missing here?
 
Can I ask why people are skeptical about him going to prison? it’s a felony conviction and his ex-attorney, Michael Cohen, did time for the same crime.
His age is a big factor, federal courts can deviate from sentencing guidelines if the prosecution agrees to it. They generally don't want people dying in prison for any but the most serious offenses.
 
One thing people really haven't talked about much is why it's a bad idea to criminally charge former President's even if they are guilty of something.

It's makes presidential power transfer harder and increases the risk of a President just refusing to let go of power. Especially if the political opposition wins an election. If you think you are going to end up in Prison anyway if you concede in election, the prisoners dilemma is clear. Betray the constitution and and have a chance of staying out of Prison, or don't betray the constitution and definitely go to Prison.

It's pretty obvious which choice to make.
This is wrong both in theory and in practice. In theory the president is a custodian elected by the people and nothing like a king nor dictator. In practice the president is a pawn of the political uniparty. We also had military generals leaking information to the Chinese because they hated the acting president. There isn't any scenario where a rogue president could refuse to give up power, including but limited to the reality it's all a big club.
His age is a big factor, federal courts can deviate from sentencing guidelines if the prosecution agrees to it. They generally don't want people dying in prison for any but the most serious offenses.
I don't think it gets more offensive to those neurotic kikes than Trump. I would absolutely expect them to try and send him to prison. Pictures of him in orange pajamas would be the second most pleasurable thing they'd ever done (the first is child rape on Epstein's island.)
 
Can I ask why people are skeptical about him going to prison? it’s a felony conviction and his ex-attorney, Michael Cohen, did time for the same crime.
It would be pretty harsh under the sentencing guidelines to give him any time, and they're probably going to go extra gentle on him to try and defuse the accusations of it all being political persecution. Typically people only get time for this when it's in aid of embezzlement or serious fraud, not just to cover up something perfectly legal but personally embarrassing.
 
It would be pretty harsh under the sentencing guidelines to give him any time, and they're probably going to go extra gentle on him to try and defuse the accusations of it all being political persecution. Typically people only get time for this when it's in aid of embezzlement or serious fraud, not just to cover up something perfectly legal but personally embarrassing.
Trump would have been better off to just own it up front. What business elite hasn't fucked hookers and paid them off to be quiet? He'd have saved millions of dollars and not be in any different position.
 
One thing people really haven't talked about much is why it's a bad idea to criminally charge former President's even if they are guilty of something.
Not persecuting an ex-president for trying to overthrow election results to stay in office after being voted out sets no incentives at all, that's perfectly safe and fine.
On the other hand, prosecuting the guy for crimes he is actually guilty of is a threat to democracy.
 
His age is a big factor
His age has me thinking, if Trump just died of natural causes due to bwing over 70, you just know there will be conspiracy theories put there that he was assasinated and could cause civil unrest.
I also wonder what will happen when all the other politicians just start dropping like flies of old age.
 
Trump would have been better off to just own it up front. What business elite hasn't fucked hookers and paid them off to be quiet? He'd have saved millions of dollars and not be in any different position.
Honestly, I don't know about that. It really, really wouldn't have sat well with the NeverTrumpers, who were all fussy normie conservatives whose main concern was that he'd act unpresidential and unconservative and embarrass the country. I feel like there was a lot of backroom shenanigans and desperate pleading to eventually get all those Republican stuffed shirts to stop NeverTrumping and endorse him, and a big public sex scandal would have torpedoed that shit massively.
 
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Honestly, I don't know about that. It really, really wouldn't have sat well with the NeverTrumpers, who were all fussy normie conservatives whose main concern was that he'd act unpresidential and unconservative and embarrass the country. I feel like there was a lot of backroom shenanigans and desperate pleading to eventually get all those Republican stuffed shirts to stop NeverTrumping and endorse him, and a big public sex scandal would have torpedoed that shit massively.
What, back in the 2016 primaries? Maybe. But I also feel like that NeverTrumper attitude was quickly squashed when they saw the political power around the first populist candidate who leveraged current gen marketing properly in their lifetimes. "MAGA" is a brilliant marketing tool.
 
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One thing people really haven't talked about much is why it's a bad idea to criminally charge former President's even if they are guilty of something.

It's makes presidential power transfer harder and increases the risk of a President just refusing to let go of power. Especially if the political opposition wins an election. If you think you are going to end up in Prison anyway if you concede in election, the prisoners dilemma is clear. Betray the constitution and and have a chance of staying out of Prison, or don't betray the constitution and definitely go to Prison.

It's pretty obvious which choice to make.
It can also encourage more criminal behavior since they will know that they will not be charged. What motivation would they have to refrain from criminal activities while in office?
 
What, back in the 2016 primaries? Maybe. But I also feel like that NeverTrumper attitude was quickly squashed when they saw the political power around the first populist candidate who leveraged current gen marketing properly in their lifetimes. "MAGA" is a brilliant marketing tool.
True but I still feel like there were still a bunch of middle-aged swing state conservatives that would have cared a lot about a sex scandal and weren't too far off voting for Hillary as it was.
 
Honestly, I don't know about that. It really, really wouldn't have sat well with the NeverTrumpers, who were all fussy normie conservatives whose main concern was that he'd act unpresidential and unconservative and embarrass the country. I feel like there was a lot of backroom shenanigans and desperate pleading to eventually get all those Republican stuffed shirts to stop NeverTrumping and endorse him, and a big public sex scandal would have torpedoed that shit massively.
I see what you're saying, and basically agree with you, but he's also notorious for being in the tabloids for my entire life as a serial cheater. I can't remember any specific headlines from the 80s/90s about whores, but he's never made it a secret that he thinks he's a playboy and that marriage vows mean nothing. He's always come across as a sleeze, a man women typically wouldn't feel safe around.

The Access Hollywood tape leak got the speculation that he's not just a philander, but a sexpest going. The Democrats I was friendly with then we're appalled that that tape was just accepted as "locker room talk", which maybe it was, but we considered it an admission of his low character. Talk about him being creepy at the Miss Universe pageants came out around then too.

I bet you're right about the backroom deals in 2016, because this sort of thing was known around town. I've always suspected that he's made deals with/has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans, like Graham and Cruz.
 
His age is a big factor, federal courts can deviate from sentencing guidelines if the prosecution agrees to it. They generally don't want people dying in prison for any but the most serious offenses.
Interesting! Why is that? Is it costly when ppl die in prison?
 
Interesting! Why is that? Is it costly when ppl die in prison?
It is, but that's not why. It's just a very harsh punishment for anyone to die in prison, it's something only really intended for someone serving a life sentence.

He's already at the average age of death for men in the United States so any prison time would essentially be a life sentence from a sentencing guideline perspective. If the crime doesn't mandate that kind of sentence, it would be unjust and a violation of sentencing guidelines to do so and could be successfully appealed as well.
 
Because the Republican Party deliberately (and violently) opposed the civil rights movement in an attempt to win over southern whites and thought the Democrat's legacy of slavery would be enough to keep all their northern and civilised votes even while they openly campaigned against basic civil rights for the melanated. It was called the 'Southern Strategy' if I remember right and it worked okay for a while.
I've heard that but the Dems haven't done jack shit for them since then, if anything it was opportunist not sympathetic. As is most of political shit TBQH. Paying them off to keep them on the plantation doesn't count.

Just another episode in the American political tradition of selling garbage to idiots. But anyway this is about Donald Trump not Australian takes on history and politics.
It can also encourage more criminal behavior since they will know that they will not be charged. What motivation would they have to refrain from criminal activities while in office?
An unintentional consequence of this might be future presidents refusing to leave office for fear of getting prosecuted for whatever reason thwir replacement feels like. If he actually did break the law it's fair play but it's going to be in the back of the minds of whoever occupies the Oval Office in the future. And of course it'll encourage criminal behavior while president, not unlike how some Eastern European countries' governments often are.
Interesting! Why is that? Is it costly when ppl die in prison?
There's a surprising number of elderly inmates who are costing the system money and probably wouldn't be out of place in a regular nursing home. People dying in prison is not good for the people who run them either way, violent or otherwise.
Honestly, I don't know about that. It really, really wouldn't have sat well with the NeverTrumpers, who were all fussy normie conservatives whose main concern was that he'd act unpresidential and unconservative and embarrass the country. I feel like there was a lot of backroom shenanigans and desperate pleading to eventually get all those Republican stuffed shirts to stop NeverTrumping and endorse him, and a big public sex scandal would have torpedoed that shit massively.
I find it rather ironic that some of the "Christian Nation" types think that the Donald is some kind of Messiah when in fact he's sexually unfaithful and a chronic fraudster who managed to make a CASINO go bankrupt. Like dude, did you even install slot machines??? It's a GOD DAMN CASINO! A license to PRINT MONEY basically.

But he said something about Jesus Christ on the campaign trail once or twice I guess. 🤷‍♂️
Spoiler alert: it's mostly photoshopped images of Donnie Dipshit crapping diarrhea in diapers.
 
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