2D (drawn) porn is more respectable than 3d (real) porn

Incel King said:
scat porn can be seen as more shameful
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no culture ever on earth in any time in history considered coprophiliacs to be okay not even in a literal shithole of india land of poo in the loo cow dung does anyone think jerking off with shit is ever considered to be normal and acceptable
you are never changing my mind that you do enjoy scat porn and the real purpose of this thread is that you are subtly trying to affirm your own views on it while using the 3d v 2d debate as mere distraction for the real deal of this thread "well if i was hypothetically jerking off to drawn scat porn then"
 
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Insuficiencia renal said:
If you believe in evolution, you must concede the human body has taken millions of years to evolve out of nothing. meanwhile, it will take an "artist" a year at most to come up with a drawing others can jerk off to, if the amount of effort necessary to produce one or another is the measure you want to consider, you should definitively value the real thing more than the drawing.
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Except that "effort" as a concept only applies when a living thing does something. Evolution is a natural process that comes about due to random mutations. So if i value effort, yes 2D porn is better.
Also, learning how to draw can take many years, not just one year. And beyond the initial learning process, when you look at an artists work, you are also looking at something produced after years of experience. The greater the mastery he has over his skill, the better the picture will be.
I don't just value effort, i value skill as well.
There is very little skill, effort, or mastery required for a woman to take a picture of herself or film herself.

Insuficiencia renal said:
this makes cartoons second hand imitations of a real thing
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There is no rule saying that imitations cannot be better than the original. 3D women might be real, but they are bound by the limitations of reality. They cannot be perfect, or as perfect as drawings can be. (Or other artistic depictions)
Also, alot of drawn porn has elements that real women don't actually have. Like anime features, etc.
I see pornographic art as an incomplete representation of a woman that the creator imagined. And unlike real life, this woman can be perfect. However, these depictions are still the closest things we can get to perfection on earth. Or in other words they are imperfect DEPICTIONS of something that is perfect. Real women on the other hand are inherently imperfect.

Ok im going to be a bit schizo here.

Are you aware of plato's theory of forms? His idea was that every object, living thing, quality, etc in nature has an essence. A perfect version which every other variant of that object is based on. Forms are virtual, perfect essences of things that real things are based on. Basically blueprints. But real things on the other hand are imperfect manifestations of these forms.

For example, a table that humans create will always be imperfect. However, this table has an essence / form that we humans use to understand it. This form is perfect, or ideal. The table is an imperfect manifestation of this ideal.

To plato, these forms actually existed in some other transcendental plane, and real things are based on them.
Now obviously, in real life, forms don't exist. Real women are not based on a perfect blueprint or essence.

However, i think that the concept of forms do apply partially to things that humans create. Many things that we create have a potential perfect, or ideal version that exists in our own minds, or in our collective consciousness. There is a potential perfect table, chair, tv, etc.
2d porn, since it is created by humans, can have a potential perfect version / variant as well. Many works of pornographic art are infact depictions of women that the artist thinks are ideal, or perfect. These women cannot exist in real life. They can't exist in the form of erotic art either. But, erotic art is still an imperfect depiction of something that is perfect. It comes much closer to perfection than real women, for that reason.

Basically, anime girls (or other fictional women) are imperfect depictions of someone's ideal or perfect woman. They are platonic women, in that sense. Not all of them ofcourse, some fictional characters are designed to be imperfect, afterall. But many are also idealistic or depicting something that the author thinks is perfect.

And for that reason, 2D>3D
 
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Gutts said:
no culture ever on earth in any time in history considered coprophiliacs to be okay not even in a literal shithole of india land of poo in the loo cow dung does anyone think jerking off with shit is ever considered to be normal and acceptable
you are never changing my mind that you do enjoy scat porn and the real purpose of this thread is that you are subtly trying to affirm your own views on it while using the 3d v 2d debate as mere distraction for the real deal of this thread "well if i was hypothetically jerking off to drawn scat porn then"
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The only reason i used "can be seen" instead of "is" is because i was expecting some retard to start talking about how shame is subjective and a social construct. I was just preemptively covering my tracks.
Scat is gross as fuck eitherway
 
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I won't address your diatribe about Plato, Platonism is stupid.
Incel King said:
Evolution is a natural process that comes about due to random mutations. So if i value effort, yes 2D porn is better.
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That is not the point, the point is that there are no human efforts that would come close to producing the same results natural selection has produced, thus, if you were to be consistent, you would value the real thing over the fake.
I see fitting to mention as well that since the development of consciousness natural selection is a process driven by mutations yes but also by the will of the organisms that manage to reproduce.
 
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Incel King said:
i was expecting some retard to start talking about how shame is subjective and a social construct.
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by doing exactly the thing you were talking a thing about that produces universal disgust and shame and said that "certain people consider" implying that not eating shit is mere tribal superstition that needs to be left behind yeah good fucking riddance you're not beating the scatfan allegations
 
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Insuficiencia renal said:
I have already refuted you in your previous thread, but lets try that again working within your own logic.
If you believe in evolution, you must concede the human body has taken millions of years to evolve out of nothing. meanwhile, it will take an "artist" a year at most to come up with a drawing others can jerk off to, if the amount of effort necessary to produce one or another is the measure you want to consider, you should definitively value the real thing more than the drawing.
Something important to consider is the fact the drawing is not an abstract original shape, more often than not, the drawing will contain sexual characteristics that are derived from the real characteristics humans find attractive, this makes cartoons second hand imitations of a real thing, they are virtual, non existent, safe and easy to control.
If what you value is effort, lets consider the fact there is no amount of effort an human could perform to create primitive life and then make it evolve until it takes the form of something that is sexually arousing, in reality you are pairing an inmensurable amount of effort vs the effort of a cartoonist over a year at most.
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An immeasurable amount of effort for man, not for God.
 
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Incel King said:
Are you aware of plato's theory of forms? His idea was that every object, living thing, quality, etc in nature has an essence. A perfect version which every other variant of that object is based on. Forms are virtual, perfect essences of things that real things are based on. Basically blueprints. But real things on the other hand are imperfect manifestations of these forms.

For example, a table that humans create will always be imperfect. However, this table has an essence / form that we humans use to understand it. This form is perfect, or ideal. The table is an imperfect manifestation of this ideal.

To plato, these forms actually existed in some other transcendental plane, and real things are based on them.
Now obviously, in real life, forms don't exist. Real women are not based on a perfect blueprint or essence.

However, i think that the concept of forms do apply partially to things that humans create. Many things that we create have a potential perfect, or ideal version that exists in our own minds, or in our collective consciousness. There is a potential perfect table, chair, tv, etc.
2d porn, since it is created by humans, can have a potential perfect version / variant as well. Many works of pornographic art are infact depictions of women that the artist thinks are ideal, or perfect. These women cannot exist in real life. They can't exist in the form of erotic art either. But, erotic art is still an imperfect depiction of something that is perfect. It comes much closer to perfection than real women, for that reason.

Basically, anime girls (or other fictional women) are imperfect depictions of someone's ideal or perfect woman. They are platonic women, in that sense. Not all of them ofcourse, some fictional characters are designed to be imperfect, afterall. But many are also idealistic or depicting something that the author thinks is perfect.
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retard learns basic philosophy
 
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DumbDude43 said:
stop jerking off
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DumbDude43 said:
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Shirt says always goon. What did he mean by this?
 
Insuficiencia renal said:
That is not the point, the point is that there are no human efforts that would come close to producing the same results natural selection has produced, thus, if you were to be consistent, you would value the real thing over the fake.
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No, i said i value effort from living things / intelligent creatures. Basically, i value intelligent design. Natural selection and evolution are natural processes where no effort is involved. Its something that came about due to random chance.
Im not being inconsistent at all.
>also by the will of the organisms that manage to reproduce
The organisms in question were driven to reproduce because of their natural urges, not because of the will to create something, unlike art. Also, the will of the individual organisms is irrelevant, natural selection happens on its own. The life forms that are more fit to survive, because of their specific genetic makeup, do.
Also, art can be seen as a result of natural selection as well.
Eitherway, i don't value something that came about due to chance.

Insuficiencia renal said:
I won't address your diatribe about Plato, Platonism is stupid.
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Ill summarize for you. Pornographic art (in some cases) is an imperfect depiction of what someone considers to be ideal, or perfect. Real women on the other hand can't be perfect.

Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Oh yeah, it takes SO MUCH SKILL to draw Generic Titty Anime Girl #282382.

Give me a break.
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It takes much more effort than an onlyfans whore taking a selfie of herself.
Generic =/= low effort. If the drawing is well made, it can still take a long time.
Also, not all pornographic art is generic.
 
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Incel King said:
No, i said i value effort from living things / intelligent creatures. Basically, i value intelligent design. Natural selection and evolution are natural processes where no effort is involved. Its something that came about due to random chance.
Im not being inconsistent at all.
>also by the will of the organisms that manage to reproduce
The organisms in question were driven to reproduce because of their natural urges, not because of the will to create something, unlike art. Also, the will of the individual organisms is irrelevant, natural selection happens on its own. The life forms that are more fit to survive, because of their specific genetic makeup, do.
Also, art can be seen as a result of natural selection as well.
Eitherway, i don't value something that came about due to chance.


Ill summarize for you. Pornographic art (in some cases) is an imperfect depiction of what someone considers to be ideal, or perfect. Real women on the other hand can't be perfect.


It takes much more effort than an onlyfans whore taking a selfie of herself.
Generic =/= low effort. If the drawing is well made, it can still take a long time.
Also, not all pornographic art is generic.
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You are contradicting yourself, also i did read it, i simply think platonism is fake and stupid
 
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