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I’ve seen people argue that nonbinary pronouns are older than what we think and that they are not a product of the 2010’s. What do you all think?
Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?
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Even if they weren't invented in the 2010 using pronous online or in real life in the 2000's would get people calling you a fag.
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I don't doubt that they existed prior to the 2010s – I don't think anyone is denying that. I think the key takeaway is that prior to the [current year] timeline, non-binary pronouns were contained to a small niche of mental patients whose insanity didn't quite spill out into the real world yet. If someone in the '90s tried to force everyone to refer to themselves as "them", they would have duly been derided and bullied back into reality. Hell, I've known of the existence of trannies since as far back as the 1990s when I was young, and the total amount I knew of were in the lower single digits – and were heavily mocked among every sane person who knew of them as well.
With that said, I do believe that if anyone tried to seriously promote that retarded they/them bullshit pre-2010, it's most likely they were just some terminally-online outcast with no social interaction. Think of Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons – only gay and schizo.
A little powerlevel here, but when I was a young adult in the 2000s I knew an obnoxious weeaboo who tried to argue that he was not male nor female (see: androgynous), but sadly no one played along with his crap – considering he was clearly male – so he eventually gave up and accepted that he was a guy. I think he's married now and has kids. This guy I knew in the 2000s was the epitome of every weeb incel stereotype, except he wasn't a morbidly obese neckbeard. He would say dumb shit like, "Yes, I was born male, but I think I'm a little girl deep down inside. I don't have a true gender." I'd talk about this guy more, but he has CWC levels of lore to discuss. Come to think of it, he was more like DigiBro rather than Chris – so make of that what you will. This was a good decade or so prior to the rise of Tumblrisms and SJWs, and thus this guy was singled out as a weird androgynous hentai-watching virgin – and therefore he was widely tormented by everyone else who knew him.
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Yes the world and culture was much better then.
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So was I, and I remember that the opinion was pretty divided. Saying "I don't agree with homosexuality" today is an automatic ban from everywhere beside places like this site, but back then it was just an opinion people had and was up for debate. It wasn't a popular one, on par with defending Bush and the Iraq War, but it was one people could have and not be considered Super-Hitlers that must be silenced ASAP. Funnily enough, the same people who'd call you a retard for thinking there was something wrong with being gay were also the ones who'd call people gay or fags all the time.
I don't think I ever saw the pronouns in the bio thing before Trump was campaigning in late 2015, and even then it was limited to only the craziest people on Tumblr for another year or two.
"Non-binary" literally did not exist prior to 2013 or so. Before then, it was literally either just schizos (like that one 19th century allegedly "non-binary" person you might read about sometimes) or people doing performance art shit with androgyny. "They" as a singular gender neutral pronoun isn't new but seems to have taken off in the 90s once the original wave of political correctness told everyone that you must say "he or she" instead of just "he" as was the convention. But I always ignored that rule and used singular they anyway because it sounded better to me than using "he."
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Yep. The morality of homosexuality was up for debate, and merely being critical of it didn't mean a ban (at least on the site I was on). Now it is an endless Current Year.
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Bruh, you're quoting The Atlantic and Boston Globe.
The Atlantic is Pravda for fart-huffing, champagne sipping east coast liberals.
They are now whitewashing George W. Bush as a great conservative leader just because he doesn't like Trump. Some of us remember when Bush was president and what outlets like The Atlantic used to write about him.
And I don't like W. But I didn't liked him in 2003 and I don't like him now.
And Boston Globe is based in Massachussets.
You should disregard anything coming from them.
Adding your pronouns to your social media in a manner that was obvious (e.g. Karen Smith (SheHer)) would have been bewildering and, therefore, mocked. Then again, there was no such thing as 'Social Media' prior to circa 2007-2008.
Happy days.
What was fashionable at the time to be edgy and own them prepz and xtians was being a goff or an emo, dressing all black and cutting yourself (See: South Park and the CIMH thread). They would be all bisexual but only because they would give them an edge without actually having to commit to it (That is, they would have all straight relationships but pay tax occasionally with a same-sex kiss).
Case in point, OG Chris-chan's trolls.
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The thing that pops up off the top of my head that I miss most about the 2000s is that chicks being hot wasn't considered a bad thing yet.
I'm not talking about the fuddy duddies who have always disapproved. Segments of pop culture itself now considers women being hot to be bad thing, especially from the angle of men finding something physically attractive, and celebrates chicks being fat and ugly inside and out and make you want to throw up.
Combined with the proliferation of tats. Girls in the 2000s were definitely much hotter than girls today.
Also they still made comic books and video games where they didn't purposely screw up the design of the female characters to make them uglier.
I'm not talking about the fuddy duddies who have always disapproved. Segments of pop culture itself now considers women being hot to be bad thing, especially from the angle of men finding something physically attractive, and celebrates chicks being fat and ugly inside and out and make you want to throw up.
Combined with the proliferation of tats. Girls in the 2000s were definitely much hotter than girls today.
Also they still made comic books and video games where they didn't purposely screw up the design of the female characters to make them uglier.
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The word is degeneracy, not in some chud alt-right sense but in the sense of something having decayed from a better form to something worse. It involves a hatred of beauty and embrace of ugliness.
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Every Megaman Battle Network game released in the 2000s
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I was a baby child during that time so I don't have the best perspective on this but things have definitely felt very down hill since then.
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The only thing I miss from the 2000s is that being a teen I still had the illusion things would work out in the end.
Plenty of bad ideas has been tried before, dangerhairs are fucking with biologists now and there's a horrible precedent, you sure you want that again?
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So-called "progressives" think history is supposed to be ever-ascending "progress" to "utopia", but an ancient view is that this world is decaying from a bygone Golden Age.
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It was the Vulgar Wave and it was AMAZING. Looking back what really blew my mind about it was that female empowerment ("Girl Power") was basically "Be Hot and Confident". Not that girls/women were better then men in everything but the highest ideal was to fun, happy, and thin.
That and video games were made for, and buy, white/asian nerds.
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I think it’s possible but it’d likely be in some obscure academic classes or papers, maybe some weird cultural thing unrelated to modern day gender theory.
Being gay was illegal in a lot of places back then and highly stigmatised so I can’t imagine they’d be many people making up new pronouns and talking about alternative genders.
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Speaking of skanky girl culture from the 00's I been thinking about the consequences of that. Consider all the aging millennial feminists now were in their teens and early 20s back then, they were the chicks who thought being a slut was cool, that paris hilton was cool, that sex and the city was aspirational.
Then their looks faded, the men they wanted didn't want them anymore, the years of boozing and partying took their toll, the dream was over.
Gather around kiddos, see this? hotty bartenders acting slutty to sell more booze was risque back then
Now you got an ugly tranny selling you beer, this is normal now, heckin' wholesome even (or at least it was to the people who don't buy this cheap piss)
That article makes a lot of assumptions that make me wonder how old was the author in that era, and how invested he is in the current one. He calls this era the "progressive" one, really? where is the progress? because gays got a corporate-sponsored month full of branded floats for their parade? because TPTB talk about black issues (instead of actually solving them)? last time I checked economic inequality has reached gilded era levels with no signs of stopping. Inflation is particularly bad for the average person because it makes saving for the future almost impossible, but its great for the very rich because they get to jack up prices and liquefy their debts. A huge chunk of the country is dying from synthetic opioids and we're looking the other way harder than we did with the much smaller almost entirely black crack crisis of the 80's.
This is not the progressive era, this is the hypernormalization era.
Back to the 90s/00s and that article, I don't think media in general was made mostly for men back then, there were far more "chick flicks" like romcoms back then than there were movies like half baked and zoolander. The death of the comedy movie has more to do with butthurt and the fact that hollywood going global makes comedy which is very dependent on location, culture and language, to not be as profitable. I noticed that when I was living abroad, most jokes just don't translate.
But this part:
80s, he's an 80s guy, he was a washed-up joke for most of the 90s and went bankrupt, the apprentice basically saved his ass and that was in the mid 00s.
And what the fuck is that about 9/11? we didn't like 9/11, that shit was the end of an era. We were reminded of 9/11 all time because this nation became an authoritarian hell.
Then again this guy completely misses the point of fight club which was not "career baaaaad" but that guys like the MC couldn't get ahead no matter how hard they worked. Given the themes in that movie if you made fight club now there would be an outrage, it would be labelled an incel movie. Keep in mind it was released only 5 years after the oklahoma bombings and yet nobody made a big fuzz about all the bombings in the movie, but boy would they go ape at the "domestic terrorism" and "attack to the institutions" if it was made now.
Then he follows with this banger:
People don't rebel because they can't afford to anymore, again this is the new gilded age, most Americans are getting poorer, renters for life. That talk about the world and having fun is pure copium.
In hindsight it was not the vulgar era, it was the freedom era, real freedom not the shit dubya babled about which basically turned freedom into a loaded term. You were free to try things, to say things, there were consequences sure there always were but not like now, what you see today from the "progressives" is not consequences, is condemnation, witch hunting, inquisitions. If it weren't for those I say 90% of the scandals of the woke era (2011-ongoing) would've gone completely unnoticed because people don't care, people have far bigger things to worry about in the lives than if some pooner was called the wrong pronouns.
Then their looks faded, the men they wanted didn't want them anymore, the years of boozing and partying took their toll, the dream was over.
Why they go with "vulgar"? I would say that the current era with its public celebration of morbid obesity and all kinds of fetishes is far more vulgar than an era when movies like coyote ugly were peak vulgarity for most
Gather around kiddos, see this? hotty bartenders acting slutty to sell more booze was risque back then
Now you got an ugly tranny selling you beer, this is normal now, heckin' wholesome even (or at least it was to the people who don't buy this cheap piss)
That article makes a lot of assumptions that make me wonder how old was the author in that era, and how invested he is in the current one. He calls this era the "progressive" one, really? where is the progress? because gays got a corporate-sponsored month full of branded floats for their parade? because TPTB talk about black issues (instead of actually solving them)? last time I checked economic inequality has reached gilded era levels with no signs of stopping. Inflation is particularly bad for the average person because it makes saving for the future almost impossible, but its great for the very rich because they get to jack up prices and liquefy their debts. A huge chunk of the country is dying from synthetic opioids and we're looking the other way harder than we did with the much smaller almost entirely black crack crisis of the 80's.
This is not the progressive era, this is the hypernormalization era.
Back to the 90s/00s and that article, I don't think media in general was made mostly for men back then, there were far more "chick flicks" like romcoms back then than there were movies like half baked and zoolander. The death of the comedy movie has more to do with butthurt and the fact that hollywood going global makes comedy which is very dependent on location, culture and language, to not be as profitable. I noticed that when I was living abroad, most jokes just don't translate.
But this part:
I believe this is why Donald Trump stands out today. Trump refuses to enter this new era we are in. He wears 90s baggy suits, he has a 90s hair style, he is a horn dog, a comedian, a braggart and a vulgar guy. He carries himself like a 90s male.
80s, he's an 80s guy, he was a washed-up joke for most of the 90s and went bankrupt, the apprentice basically saved his ass and that was in the mid 00s.
And what the fuck is that about 9/11? we didn't like 9/11, that shit was the end of an era. We were reminded of 9/11 all time because this nation became an authoritarian hell.
Then again this guy completely misses the point of fight club which was not "career baaaaad" but that guys like the MC couldn't get ahead no matter how hard they worked. Given the themes in that movie if you made fight club now there would be an outrage, it would be labelled an incel movie. Keep in mind it was released only 5 years after the oklahoma bombings and yet nobody made a big fuzz about all the bombings in the movie, but boy would they go ape at the "domestic terrorism" and "attack to the institutions" if it was made now.
Then he follows with this banger:
Today we expect a lot from the companies that employ us and their mission. There is a lot less rebellion against careers. Most people are looking for a way to work to make the world a better place or to make work fun for them.
Holy shit, how deluded. Corpos are reaching peak evil now, some like google literally don't even pretend anymore. We got boeing outright killing employees for talking, every corpo is adopting AI to fire people. Every apple ad about making the world a better place gets debunked in minutes by a youtuber pointing out that company is creating billions of tons of e-waste by exploiting every repairability loophole they can to brick your stuff so you need new one.People don't rebel because they can't afford to anymore, again this is the new gilded age, most Americans are getting poorer, renters for life. That talk about the world and having fun is pure copium.
In hindsight it was not the vulgar era, it was the freedom era, real freedom not the shit dubya babled about which basically turned freedom into a loaded term. You were free to try things, to say things, there were consequences sure there always were but not like now, what you see today from the "progressives" is not consequences, is condemnation, witch hunting, inquisitions. If it weren't for those I say 90% of the scandals of the woke era (2011-ongoing) would've gone completely unnoticed because people don't care, people have far bigger things to worry about in the lives than if some pooner was called the wrong pronouns.
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Banks and payment processors didn't care as much about what you spent money on back then.
Tech companies weren't activists back in the '00s either, and supported free speech more.
That's another thing I miss about the time before Current Year: appealing to straight male sexuality wasn't considered inherently "male gaze", "misogyny", "objectification", "sexist", nor otherwise rape-y. Or at least it wasn't anywhere near as much as after Current Year began. That's changed in America, since around the time of that "GamerGate" circus, and Anita Sarkeesian peddling that "Tropes vs. Women" propaganda BS. Also back in the '00s, the term "sexualize" (or "sexualized" or "sexualizing" or "sexualization") -- to make straight male sexuality seem like a medical condition -- wasn't thrown around much, if at all. Not as much "heterophobia".
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I really never saw any of that kind of shit until the mid 2010s. Closest I can remember is that whole "sexuality is a spectrum, everyone's at least 1% gay" thing around the mid-late 2000s, but I probably read that from like, one fringe lunatic on Something Awful.
You could call things gay and say "faggot" pretty much anywhere in the early 2000s. Though I remember GameFAQs banning that kind of language. Even as far back as the early 2000s, saying "gay" for any reason would automatically mark your post for review from a moderator, and "faggot" was treated as a strong curse word. That seemed ludicrous and unprecedented at the time, but here we are two decades later, and they've gone all out with permabans for anyone that says anything the least bit transphobic.
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Wasn't that in a South Park episode like 20 years ago?
That's because you couldn't say anything on GameFAQs back then, not because it was ahead of his time. Like IIRC "sucks" was banned from topic titles (or maybe it got you auto-flagged) and you couldn't say other insults like "asshole" either.