ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

[glue eater]

I've looked at many telegram channels affiliated or promoted by west casual. Some of them recommend socialist literature, others are outright natsoc. They regularly post pictures of their people fighting for Ukraine, in the war. They also proudly display themselves kicking outnumbered people on the ground.
Looks like racist commies to me.

I don't really self-identify as a nazi, but if a nazi wants to beat up a commie, Ill commend them for doing a public service. If they share nazi literature in telegram, who cares.

 

[87q6839b]

I don't really self-identify as a nazi, but if a nazi wants to beat up a commie, Ill commend them for doing a public service. If they share nazi literature in telegram, who cares.

Well, good on them for keeping child molesters at bay, but in the end they're minions for people who just want power.
I don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water, but I'm disenchanted.

 

[glue eater]

they're minions for people who just want power.

What do you mean by this?

 

[87q6839b]

What do you mean by this?

They're resentful and manipulable. Commies believe Stalin was a great guy, and the "other side" often thinks Hitler was a great guy too. This is why one should take them with a pinch of salt, or however they say.

Even if their leaders want to build a cool and hip fashy roman/sparta style empire, I don't like it, because what makes our species superior is the ability to love in a Christian sense, not merely behave like animals.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Is communism ideological a-logging?

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French nationalists turn antifa into runtifa.

Unlike America the french far right definitely are way more militant than Americas far right.
Maybe macron and the neoliberals are turning a blind eye to the Nazis and fascists again.

I've looked at many telegram channels affiliated or promoted by west casual. Some of them recommend socialist literature, others are outright natsoc. They regularly post pictures of their people fighting for Ukraine, in the war. They also proudly display themselves kicking outnumbered people on the ground.
Looks like racist commies to me.

Yeah they fight commies which on one hand is good because suppressing commies is always good on the other they provide perfect fodder and are one bad/planned incident away from being the excuse to ban any normal sort of speech.

 

[87q6839b]

Unlike America the french far right definitely are way more militant than Americas far right.
Maybe macron and the neoliberals are turning a blind eye to the Nazis and fascists again.

There was a manifestation that the rotten republic allowed recently, organized by the "committee of may the 9th". Black block waving Celtic cross flags. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this symbol stands nowadays for white supremacy.
That same republic dissolved a couple groups in the past, and from what I recall they were mostly a blend of identitarianism, monarchism, and Catholicism. Do they turn a blind eye on some and not others? Didn't the dissolved groups organize well enough? That's an interesting question to dig into.
Groups like GUD, as mentioned earlier, post pictures of people holding their flags on the Ukrainian front, sending a message in the gist of "we are ready to take up arms to defend some guys because they wear sonnenrad patches".

GUD recommended the following books on their channel:

Philosophie : Le déclin de l'Occident, Oswald Spengler ; Réflexions sur la violence, George Sorel ; Qu'est-ce que la propriété ?, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Théorie : Mes idées politiques, Charles Maurras ; Notes pour comprendre le siècle, Pierre Drieu la Rochelle.

Pratique : Qu'est-ce que le nationalisme ?, Dominique Venner ; Manifeste nationaliste révolutionnaire, François Duprat ; Qu'est-ce qu'un militant ?, Fabrice Laroche.

Bibliographie : Bibliothèque du jeune européen, Alain de Benoist et Guillaume Travers.

"What is property" by Proudhon should ring an alarm. Socialism is a trick (arguably a (((trick)))) to topple the power in place and take that power for oneself, conveniently putting the resentful masses (proletariat, trannies, militant youth) into the meat grinder once it's all over.

One of the most prominent slogans shouted by the socialism tainted nationalist movements is "Europe, Youth, Revolution". Revolution is another word for turning by 360°, so that would ironically fit.

 

[glue eater]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this symbol stands nowadays for white supremacy.

This is veering off topic, but Ill just ask, why shouldnt French people be able to show their pride in being European in a historically white, European country? Sure if they waved it in Sudan or China it'd be dumb, but there's nothing inherently wrong in wanting to live in an ethnically French country.

Groups like GUD, as mentioned earlier, post pictures of people holding their flags on the Ukrainian front, sending a message in the gist of "we are ready to take up arms to defend some guys because they wear sonnenrad patches".

If you consider GUD "socialism-tainted", I'd like to see what you think of the separatists who have a very healthy antifa presence there. Just a few pages ago I posted about a communist burger antifa who got killed there and Colombian communist volunteers. I can see why French nationalists would sympathize with the Ukies, especially when French communists fight on the separatist side.

I really don't want another Ukraine debate and this is my first and last post on the matter, I just wanted to illuminate their motivations.

 

[Allakazam223]

Antifa sure are useful idiots, huh? The right wingers don't have anyone like that because they give a fuck about their members for the most part.

 

[87q6839b]

why shouldnt French people be able to show their pride in being European in a historically white, European country

Maybe they should. Maybe with less chauvinist undertones, I don't know. There are many gatherings, often religious, where naturally, almost exclusively whites are present, without needing to treat any outliers with suspicion or contempt.

what you think of the separatists

I find that very amusing. I don't follow many antifa channels so thanks for the

 

[Mitt Doggy Dogg]

They're resentful and manipulable. Commies believe Stalin was a great guy, and the "other side" often thinks Hitler was a great guy too. This is why one should take them with a pinch of salt, or however they say.

Hey Stalin and Hitler were great leaders of their time. Look at all the stuff Stalin had built with slave I mean worker labor. And look at all the jews Hitler got rid oh! oh veh

 

[glue eater]

Almost posted this in book thread but I guess this is a better fit. I have read multiple books on communism and antifascism, but always from the right-wing perspective, so I have actively sought to get out of my literary echo chamber, and read communist and antifascist books written by people who actually adhere to that ideology.

I don't think I have gotten any smarter or become convinced in the world revolution, but I have noticed a common theme in all of them: They depict fascists (or patriots in general) as retarded incompetent bumbling idiot inbred redneck boneheads...but also simultaneously just about to take over the world, or already controlling it, depending on the author. Schrödingers Fascist if you will. I wonder how antifascists live with this glaring ideological contradiction. Then again, that is why communist memes are always so full of text, while patriotism is simple to understand and almost instinctive, communism is so incoherent and full of contradictions you need complex ideological weltanschauung to not get short circuited. A bit like commies shill for brown nationalism and put the most backward people on pedestal.

Give the political sperging stickers, I just had to point this out.

 

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Almost posted this in book thread but I guess this is a better fit. I have read multiple books on communism and antifascism, but always from the right-wing perspective, so I have actively sought to get out of my literary echo chamber, and read communist and antifascist books written by people who actually adhere to that ideology.

I don't think I have gotten any smarter or become convinced in the world revolution, but I have noticed a common theme in all of them: They depict fascists (or patriots in general) as retarded incompetent bumbling idiot inbred redneck boneheads...but also simultaneously just about to take over the world, or already controlling it

I think it just comes down to the conflation/confusion by certain left elements between National Socialism and other positive pro-human ideologies with also 'right wing' evil ones like capitalism. One is a revolutionary ideology they don't want to confront as it really is, the other is a force of universal evil that actually has a lot of power.

 

[Pentex]

Ilaria Salis, the antifa whore currently imprisoned in Hungary spending 98% of her day in a shitty cell had devised the diabolical plan of running to become a member of the European Parliament and thus getting immunity.

I would like to think that you cannot cite any sort of legislative immunity for acts done prior to your election, but I'm not familiar with the nuances of Europoor law, so maybe they are retarded enough to allow it.
Anyway, it's trial time.

Italian anti-fascist goes on trial in Hungary accused of attacking neo-Nazis​

Spoiler

An Italian anti-fascist activist has gone on trial in Hungary for allegedly attacking neo-Nazis, in a case that has sparked tensions between the two EU allies.

Ilaria Salis, 39, arrived at the Budapest court accompanied by her father, with Italy’s ambassador and a throng of Italian journalists also in attendance. She left to applause after the court heard testimony from one of the victims and two witnesses. None of the three could personally identify Salis, as their attackers were masked.

The case has been front-page news in Italy after Salis appeared in court in January handcuffed and chained.

The teacher, from Monza, near Milan, was arrested in Budapest in February 2023 following a counter-demonstration against a neo-Nazi rally.

Her case has sparked tensions between Rome and Budapest despite the cordial relations between their far-right prime ministers, Italy’s Giorgia Meloni and Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. Rome has made several official complaints on Salis’s behalf.

Prosecutors allege that Salis travelled to Budapest specifically to carry out attacks against “unsuspecting victims identified as, or perceived as, far-right sympathisers” to deter “representatives of the far-right movement”.

She was charged with three counts of attempted assault and accused of being part of an extreme leftwing criminal organisation in the wake of a counter-demonstration against an annual neo-Nazi rally.

Salis denies the charges – which could see her jailed for up to 11 years – and says she is being persecuted for her political beliefs.

The next hearing is set for September. Salis’s lawyer Gyorgy Magyar jas complained that his client has yet to receive all the case documents in her native language.

Salis’s father, Roberto Salis, and the Italian ambassador, Manuel Jacoangeli, also complained that Salis’s address in Budapest was read out in court, saying it put her “at risk”.

A defiant Salis told the Italian newspaper La Stampa via her father that she was “on the right side of history”.

Last month, the Italian Greens and Left Alliance (AVS) nominated Salis as its lead candidate for the European elections. If the party wins enough votes at the ballot, Salis may be able to claim parliamentary immunity, which would lead to a suspension of criminal proceedings against her.

Salis’s case has been highly politicised, and the Hungarian nationalist government has frequently commented on it. It has repeatedly denounced the media for allegedly depicting Salis as a “martyr”, instead pointing to what it called the “brutality” of her alleged crimes.

Salis’s father claims that his daughter was kept in inhumane prison conditions until January, when her case received significant media coverage. “For eight days, she was kept in a prison in a solitary cell, without being provided with toilet paper, sanitary towels and soap … in Italy, we would consider this torture,” Roberto Salis said before the trial.

The Council of Europe has criticised Hungary’s overcrowded prisons, and Hungarian officials have denied accusations of ill-treatment.

Hungary came under heavy criticism both at home and abroad over a terrorism conviction handed to a Syrian man for his role in a border riot in 2015.

Prosecutors had accused Ahmed Hamed of using a megaphone to orchestrate violence and throwing stones at Hungarian police to force them to open the border with Serbia, initially handing him a 10-year jail term.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/24/italian-anti-fascist-goes-on-trial-in-hungary-accused-of-attacking-neo-nazis

https://archive.is/t3pyP

 

[latinlover]

I would like to think that you cannot cite any sort of legislative immunity for acts done prior to your election, but I'm not familiar with the nuances of Europoor law, so maybe they are retarded enough to allow it.
Anyway, it's trial time.

I'm reasonably sure they can, unfortunately, it really is quite retarded.

The Guardian article you linked missed a few details the various hungarian sources did not. A few:

1. She plead not guilty and outright declined Hungary's final offer for a plea deal, which would have been an 11 year sentence.
2. She's currently out of jail on bail in Hungary, the bail amount was cca. $45000, she's wearing an ankle bracelet and monitored constantly but she's able to stay at a private residence, the address of which is public because the boomer judge made a mistake by accouncing it while the doors to the court room were open (lol) : 1136, Budapest, Tátra utca 33 is where she's currently allowed to stay.
3. The next hearing will be on the 6th of September(if there's going to be one) and there's also a higher than 0% chance there will be some international political cuckery and she's allowed to spend her house arrest in Italy, which is retarded seeing as the second she steps into Italy she's essentially free as long as she never goes to Hungary again.
4. The Hungarian courts are notoriously incompetent, apart from the address fiasco they fucked up by not translating a lot of requested (by the defense) documents to Italian, which could bite them in the ass later if they keep contesting the 'fairness' of the trial.

 

[jrose4]

It sure hasn't been a good week for afa paris, huh?

"3 GUD Paris activists are walking in a bourgeois neighborhood and come face to face with Mehdi Daddane, one of the leaders of the Paris-banlieue antifascist Action and administrator of Antifa Squads. Barely confronted, he attempts to dodge but finds himself mixed up and ends up collapsing under the heaviness of the blows, uttering virginal cries, abandoning a cutter, fragile ventolin, underwear, militant equipment, 400 stickers and his dignity."

 

[SailorMemnosyne]

Yeah bro. Jacob Chansley is basically Freikorps 2.0.

Douglas P is gay and retarded and you deserve to have your time wasted for liking 'Death in June'.

Death in June and Douglas P as a human are great. DI6 is my favorite band and coming from an anon who has had dreams about WW2 since preschool- his music is mystical to me- stop hating pinko.

 

[glue eater]

It's kind of a slow newsweek so I could sperg about local drama again. I did mention this briefly half a year ago, but antifascist activists murdered a woman here some time ago. it wasn't over politics, but drugs. Here's a shortened, translated bit from Partisaani:

The couple: Soyjak and a hamplanet

A 35-year-old woman was found dead in her home in Pietniemi, Pori, on the morning of February 5. The police soon tracked down the suspect, Timo Juhani Salonen (b. 1.12.1997) was arrested on probable grounds on suspicion of manslaughter and aggravated robbery. Salonen has been convicted several times before in the Satakunta district court.

Partisaani already reported in February that, based on social media, Salonen is in a relationship with Jelena Kiilholma , a local politician from the leftist union and an avowed anti-fascist . Kiilholma is not only one of Pori's key left-wing activists, but she has written about feminism in People's News, among others. Kiilholma has been involved in the boards of various associations since the age of 15.

Kiilholma, who calls herself a "thick escort", has distinguished herself by sharing antifa material on social media and even lashing out at nationalist street activists in her hometown.

The victim was locked in the bathroom to die from her injuries​

As the preliminary investigation progressed, the ugly details of the murder began to dawn on the authorities. At the same time, it became clear that Kiilholma was not only the main suspect's partner, but also a perpetrator herself. Between the start of the preliminary investigation and the start of the trial, the main crime had changed from manslaughter to murder. The prosecutor demands a life sentence for Salonen not only for murder but also for robbery and drug offences.

In court, it was emphasized that the victim of the murder was a 35-year-old mother of two children. The victim had contacted Kiilholma's husband using the Telegram messaging application and suggested exchanging a Playstation game console for amphetamine.

Iltalehti describes the exceptionally brutal murder as follows: "According to the prosecutor, the man cut his victim in the neck and stomach, kicked her in the jaw and dragged her around the apartment. The prosecutor considers that the man killed the victim in a particularly brutal and cruel way, using at least three different bladed weapons." After that, Salonen forced the victim to die from her injuries in the bathroom, stole the apartment's valuables and left the place.

According to the prosecutor, the left-wing prostitute Kiilholma, on the other hand, was guilty of the crime of concealment and the drug offense by, among other things, trying to hide goods stolen from the victim. Kiilholma defended herself by stating that she was not aware of the drugs in her home or the origin of the items stolen from the murder victim. A suspended prison sentence is requested for Kiilholma.

"I could hear the crunch coming from her jaw"​

The defendants have denied most of the criminal charges. According to Salonen, the victim received wounds from a bladed weapon after cutting herself. According to Salonen, the victim was forced into the bathroom so that she would not continue to harm herself. In addition to the lack of logic, the credibility of Salonen's story is further reduced by the fact that his story differed in court from the version he told the police during the preliminary investigation.

Based on the preliminary investigation, we're not dealing with Mensa members. They sent each other photos related to the murder as well as text and voice messages through different applications, which made the work of the police significantly easier. "I wilded out and kicked her ass," Salonen stated in one message. "I could hear the crunch from her jaw when I kicked her," he also said.

The district court will inform about the verdict later.

 

[Wallace]

I don't think I have gotten any smarter or become convinced in the world revolution, but I have noticed a common theme in all of them: They depict fascists (or patriots in general) as retarded incompetent bumbling idiot inbred redneck boneheads...but also simultaneously just about to take over the world, or already controlling it, depending on the author. Schrödingers Fascist if you will. I wonder how antifascists live with this glaring ideological contradiction.

The same could be said for the subjects of many conspiracy theorists. They're just looking for someone to blame for why they're unhappy.

 

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Death in June and Douglas P as a human are great. DI6 is my favorite band and coming from an anon who has had dreams about WW2 since preschool- his music is mystical to me- stop hating pinko.

Oh, really? Are you a fan of the Douglas P sex tape too?

 

[Sicko Hunter]

Have you ever seen a beautiful or handsome communist? I'm not talking about some half a century old picture of Che, but as in real life. Or hell, the Farms.

Never. Communism attracts freaks. Healthy, neurotypical people have zero interest in it as evidenced by the dozens of photos of meetups where everyone there looks like this