Callum Nathan Thomas Edmunds / MauLer93 / MauLer and the EFAPshere - Objective discussion about not-Channel Awesome featuring Rags, Southpaw and more!

[BrodyDaMan]

"Content creators" (if you can even call reacting endlessly to garbage movies and TV content) get stale, iron law of the internet and this gaggle of idiots have been at it for years. They also tend to associated with the worst dregs of the internet and start to believe their own bullshit. Most damning part is that it has become absolutely clear that Callum has all the media background of any other Disney garbage fan, and has never actually read or watched any actually formative pieces that might be considered influential to their genres or mediums. Like how can you talk about Star Wars in any authoritative capacity without having engaged at all with what it was for most of its existence? Fucker didn't even play KotOR.

I can agree, the real appeal of EFAP for me was never really movie or tv criticism, in fact I've never got through a single movie review episode still. Their real appeal at the start was going after the really bad criticism and "analysis" videos, and really pulling back the veil on how shallow and nonsensical even the more popular channels are on this. It seems to me that they really started falling off when they made it a more proper movie review show rather than just a commentary podcast, though judging from the response here on what they did to Synthetic Man, maybe they can't do that well either anymore.

 

[Passing Through Town]

It seems to me that they really started falling off when they made it a more proper movie review show rather than just a commentary podcast, though judging from the response here on what they did to Synthetic Man, maybe they can't do that well either anymore.

A large part of the problem with their newer stuff is that they simply bring way too many people on and many of them provide little to no value in the discussions. The replacement for Wolf is also terrible, and Rags was never actually worth much unless he was discussing games that he actually knew shit about. Now they regularly cover stuff Rags hasn't touched or seen, and he still tries to act as some kind of authority. Imagine ten people trying to talk about a video, which they pause regularly for at least ten minutes at a time, constantly going on tangents about completely unrelated shit, all the while Rags is interjecting with terrible jokes or second-hand commentary. It's not a pleasant experience to say the least.

The reason the Synthetic Man stuff stands out is because he's pretty much just objectively correct in a lot of his criticisms of the new God of War games, which EFAP love and insist are basically perfect. It's just really strange how desperate they are to defend those particular games, and it's very obvious that they're politically against SM as well. Which is fine, it's just that they pretend like that's not a factor in why they dislike him so much. That said, I don't think SM really conveys his ideas all that well. He's definitely speaking to his audience specifically, and uses a lot of politically loaded language that is bound to make many people dismiss him outright. It just is what it is, I guess.

 

[LovisXVI]

The reason the Synthetic Man stuff stands out is because he's pretty much just objectively correct in a lot of his criticisms of the new God of War games, which EFAP love and insist are basically perfect. It's just really strange how desperate they are to defend those particular games

Well that is the core issue isn't it? They have attached themselves so closely to being "objective" on everything that they are quite literally incapable of doing what any other critic in that position could say "Well I disagree with your opinion". No! It must be that he is objectively wrong or the whole thing falls apart and it becomes evident that they are just a bunch of pedants with an overlong livestream.

 

[BrodyDaMan]

Rags was never actually worth much unless he was discussing games that he actually knew shit about. Now they regularly cover stuff Rags hasn't touched or seen, and he still tries to act as some kind of authority. Imagine ten people trying to talk about a video, which they pause regularly for at least ten minutes at a time, constantly going on tangents about completely unrelated shit, all the while Rags is interjecting with terrible jokes or second-hand commentary. It's not a pleasant experience to say the least.

Rags was best as comedy relief, back then. He was basically what Keemstar was in classic Baited podcast, some of the best parts of old EFAP are when Rags got extremely drunk or got in debates with Wolf. Them going on weird tangents didn't matter before either, because it was a commentary show where they would basically their personal lolcows like Tonald, Jared Genesis, and Browntable. The character defects didn't really matter because there was a sense of kayfabe to all of it.

I think the episodes where they bring on an insane amount of people were also a reason I stopped watching too. There's constantly parts where 5-6 people talk at once and it sounds like literal noise. This is tolerable when it's japanese v-tubers who sound like cute anime girls, but not a bunch of guys all trying to scream their points at once. The only one of these I got through was I think the 100th anniversary, only because I wanted to see the reaction to my video meme lmao

Looking at their channel now, it seems like basically every episode that isn't a superchat catch-up show has at least 6 people, I can't imagine how annoying it would be to get through it.

 

[Shieldman]

Since Rags came up, I just realized that Arch's audience doesn't like him very much.

Turns out, some kind of incident happened during their D&D stream.

Haven't watch the video, but look at some comments.

Spoiler: screenshots

Rags being insufferable, as usual.

 

[crab fucker]

Rags being insufferable, as usual.

Jesus. Just reading all those comments, they really need to boot Rags. I've only played a bit of D&D and tabletop in general, but you can find guys like this everywhere who are just selfish assholes. At the end of the day it's a team game, and if someone isn't being a team player then they need to get out, but people tend to get too attached to their characters and other shit and they never get around to actually booting a problem player from the group.

 

[Passing Through Town]

Since Rags came up, I just realized that Arch's audience doesn't like him very much.

They're smarter than the average EFAP fan then.

Edit: lol

 

[LovisXVI]

Rags being insufferable, as usual.

Sounds like Rags is "That Guy", many such cases. Sargon needs to exercise his authority as DM and tell him to cut the shit or piss off, because I would never let that sort of thing fly in any game I run. As a player you have to understand that fundamentally it is a collaborative game between the game master and other players, and if you are a major source of friction, it might be worth having some introspection, but I would hardly expect a (hopefully) wanna-be dog-fucker to get that.

 

[Not Even Twice]

Sounds like Rags is "That Guy", many such cases. Sargon needs to exercise his authority as DM and tell him to cut the shit or piss off, because I would never let that sort of thing fly in any game I run. As a player you have to understand that fundamentally it is a collaborative game between the game master and other players, and if you are a major source of friction, it might be worth having some introspection, but I would hardly expect a (hopefully) wanna-be dog-fucker to get that.

Unless Sargon has changed significantly he won't do shit. As I understand it the campaign is his "creation", so he's perfectly content to show off his big brained world and nothing else. The players don't matter except if they start making the wrong choices and poking holes in his universe, then he'll promptly railroad them back into place. I can't imagine him being even an average DM.
What an ensemble cast for a DnD game though. Rags, Dev, Vee and Sargon sounds like a recipe for murder. I don't know Arch much, think I used to like his warhammer stuff, but I go to Lutin09 to satisfy that itch these days.

 

[ronnal]

Since Rags came up, I just realized that Arch's audience doesn't like him very much.

Turns out, some kind of incident happened during their D&D stream.

Haven't watch the video, but look at some comments.

Spoiler: screenshots

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Rags being insufferable, as usual.

Not surprising behavior from him. He used to act like this all the time when I would watch the efap gaming streams.

 

[liam dees]

It's no wonder why their EFAP "approved" movies list feels so dull and void of an actual personality.

>recommends The Departed, the American remake instead of Infernal Affairs, the original from Hong Kong

Now I have only seen the original, haven't got to the Scorcese remake, but how much do you want to wager that Mauler and gang have never even seen the original because it's not in English? This is just another thing to add to the list of why EFAP gang makes me want to tear my hair out. These guys are phonies.

I remember watching them review Cinema Wins' video on Puss In Boots 2 (Also on their essential viewing list, even though it's an overrated kids' film) and Mauler as well as others have never even heard of "ones" or "twos" when it refers to frame rates in animation?? These terms are well known how did they not recognise it? Even then, these terms are a Google search away so why are they griping about this small detail and leveraging it as criticism? I can only assume bad faith.

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

Even then, these terms are a Google search away so why are they griping about this small detail and leveraging it as criticism? I can only assume bad faith.

This is the real issue. A lack of knowledge is forgivable. But instead of using their podcast as a chance to learn more about a medium, they see it as a chance to correct others.

 

[LovisXVI]

how much do you want to wager that Mauler and gang have never even seen the original because it's not in English?

I'd bet a million dollars they haven't seen a single Hong Kong film between themselves. I for one think that if you haven't seen stuff like Hard Boiled or The Killer, you aren't allowed to have opinions on action films.

A lack of knowledge is forgivable.

You'd think that, but when you position yourself as an authority on matters, you should have some actual base of knowledge.

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

Just got this recommended to me. Fitting, given the recent Rags DND comments.

 

[liam dees]

I'd bet a million dollars they haven't seen a single Hong Kong film between themselves. I for one think that if you haven't seen stuff like Hard Boiled or The Killer, you aren't allowed to have opinions on action films.

You'd think that, but when you position yourself as an authority on matters, you should have some actual base of knowledge.

You are actually so fucking right. The Raid 2 was my second favourite action film... before I saw Hard Boiled. Now Hard Boiled is second behind Police Story by Jackie Chan. Honestly they are interchangeable to me, so right now Hard Boiled is Number One. Old School Hong Kong for the win

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I'd bet a million dollars they haven't seen a single Hong Kong film between themselves. I for one think that if you haven't seen stuff like Hard Boiled or The Killer, you aren't allowed to have opinions on action films.

They probably haven't watched anything not in English unless it's popular cause they're consoomers, the opposite side of the moviebob coin.

 

[liam dees]

They probably haven't watched anything not in English unless it's popular cause they're consoomers, the opposite side of the moviebob coin.

The only person I think likely to have seen a HK film is Critical Drinker. I have hope that he has seen some HK action films, how could he have not? Please let me be right so I can still have some hope in this world.

 

[LovisXVI]

Old School Hong Kong for the win

Anyone who would profess a love of action films and NOT see old HK action cinema is doing themselves a serious disservice. Hell I am running Shadowrun game set there just because I rewatched some John Woo flicks and got inspiration.

They probably haven't watched anything not in English unless it's popular cause they're consoomers

It is part of the consistent criticisms of the "Fandom Menace" or "Fellowship" or whatever faggy shit they call themselves. They have a huge blind spot for "foreign" cinema, especially Eastern Asian. I swear at this point the only movies/tv I watch that is newer than the new 10's is East Asian historical dramas. I recommend the 2010 Three Kingdoms if you are interested in some good long tv series. Be warned, it is very Chinese so you will have to get used to it.

Please let me be right so I can still have some hope in this world.

Hope is for the deluded... or the stupid. I would have more faith if he ever made a "Recommends" on one of the classics, even a single Jackie movie.

 

[liam dees]

Anyone who would profess a love of action films and NOT see old HK action cinema is doing themselves a serious disservice. Hell I am running Shadowrun game set there just because I rewatched some John Woo flicks and got inspiration.

Oh I thought you were talking about John Woo's Stranglehood, do you mean Shadowrun Hong Kong? Ran a Google search and I saw that name pop up.

In any case if you could recommend to anybody a few HK films what would you pick?

Here are a few from me:

1. Police Story
2. Project A
3. Wheels on Meals
4. Hard Boiled
5. Infernal Affairs
6. Shaolin Soccer / Kickers
7. Kung Fu Hustle
8. God of Cookery

Hope is for the deluded... or the stupid. I would have more faith if he ever made a "Recommends" on one of the classics, even a single Jackie movie.

Isn't he a fan of Jackie? Oh God does he only know him from Rush Hour and Foreigner? You are right I was wrong to hope.

 

[LovisXVI]

Oh I thought you were talking about John Woo's Stranglehood, do you mean Shadowrun Hong Kong? Ran a Google search and I saw that name pop up.

Well it is the tabletop rpg, but the Harebrained Schemes game also was an inspiration.

In any case if you could recommend to anybody a few HK films what would you pick?

Well as I said, The Killers is a classic, more to the traditional Heroic Bloodshed than Hard Boiled, there is also A Better Tomorrow, also by Woo, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon though I would hope that is not so obscure as to need a recommendation. Ip Man is nice, and that is a more recent one, if you can overlook the commie historical revisionism in it. Donnie Yen is the last remnant of that old scene. I will admit it has been a while since I went into them so I can't really give much beyond what I have watched recently, so I will cosign 1, 4, 5 and 7. I do plan on going through some other non-Woo films after I get to watching the Hanzo the Razor trilogy and Ran. I will also recommend Beat Takeshi's films, got into them recently via Violent Cop. Not as much action but they do have a nice energy to them.

Isn't he a fan of Jackie? Oh God does he only know him from Rush Hour and Foreigner? You are right I was wrong to hope.

Entirely possible, I don't feel like dredging through two yt accounts to see if he has ever talked about Police Story.