2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Marzipan Apple]

Apparently the UK and Europe are not doing enough to transport children from Gaza to their hospitals.

Archive.

Does he realize that Ukraine is a part of Europe and Gaza isn't? Why tf does Europe have an obligation to lift a finger to help people from an entirely different continent?
I guess Europe is now the official dumping ground for every third-world waste of oxygen on Earth.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Does he realize that Ukraine is a part of Europe and Gaza isn't? Why tf does Europe have an obligation to lift a finger to help people from an entirely different continent?
I guess Europe is now the official dumping ground for every third-world waste of oxygen on Earth.

That's what happens when recognizing Palestine as a real state. Now they're obligated to treat them as citizens of a friendly foreign nation.

 

[FedPostalService]

The fact that people refer to “ceasefire” rather than “peace” deals is a sign Isreal should carry on until anyone who even thinks of joining Hamas is dead.

 

[Functional Animal]

The fact that people refer to “ceasefire” rather than “peace” deals is a sign Isreal should carry on until anyone who even thinks of joining Hamas is dead.

I find it funny even these utterly delusional faggots realize "peace in the middle east" is up there with "cure cancer" and "end world hunger" on the list of meme impossible miracles.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

Does he realize that Ukraine is a part of Europe and Gaza isn't? Why tf does Europe have an obligation to lift a finger to help people from an entirely different continent?
I guess Europe is now the official dumping ground for every third-world waste of oxygen on Earth.

It's because Europe is part of the Western world and they're expected to be open pussy that helps anyone. Do you remember "human rights organizations" giving the same amount of pressure to non-Western countries who treat foreigners like garbage like they did for EU countries? I don't.

I agree that Palestine should be first and foremost helped by their brethren in West Asia/Middle East/Arab world or whatever terminology you prefer. But those shit-hole refugees ain't going to the equally failed states of their neighbours; they want help from and/or to possibly end up in the more richer/stabler West. The dude who Tweeted that is a Palestinian journalist now based in London BTW. You'll never see them begging Pakis to "do more".

 

[InventingH4na]

The fact that people refer to “ceasefire” rather than “peace” deals is a sign Isreal should carry on until anyone who even thinks of joining Hamas is dead.

So every single Arab really. There is no such thing as peace with a people whose first response to anything is violence. Disagree with me? stabbystabstab, want to draw a picture of the prophet? stabbystabstab. How many decades is it going to take to learn these people can't be reasoned with and splitting land among them for oil in the 1920's was a mistake. They have no interest in peace until they fully occupy the holy land again like they fap about their ancient caliphs owning it 24 hours a day.
Also Arab states don't want to take them in because they are more useful as a propaganda tool if they block them into a killbox and blame it on the Israelis. There have been refugees in Jordan for decades that never got citizenship because they were put in camps as refugees and used as propaganda. These oil-rich wealthy states do nothing because it benefits them more to present Arabs as the poor victim being bullied by a rich West-backed foe. The reality is they are one of the most wealthy races on the planet and could easily afford to support refugees who would be far more comfortable there than trying to fit into a culture that they don't. These Arab journalists are still going to wag the finger at Europe for not letting more Muslims into the ghettos instead of looking to why some of the richest countries on the planet don't help their own.

 

[EyeGuy]

A schizo Jew wandered off on his own during a visit to Joseph's tomb in Nablus and had to be rescued by the PA police:

Wildfires in Lebanon caused by Israeli airstrikes:

 

[Echo_Ender]

There's no point in any ceasefire. All it would do is give Hamas time to steal foreign aid, forcefully recruit refugees, and dig in deeper.

i guess his only hope now is to achieve a decisive victory, so he can go down in history as the man who crushed hamas once and for all and brought gaza to heel for good

The issue is that almost all of the Hamas leadership and financial backers are in Quatar. Unless they're dealt with, they'll keep stirring up shit indefinitely.

And Israel isn't in a position where they can justify a strike on Quatar yet.

 

[DumbDude43]

The issue is that almost all of the Hamas leadership and financial backers are in Quatar. Unless they're dealt with, they'll keep stirring up shit indefinitely.

And Israel isn't in a position where they can justify a strike on Quatar yet.

without their network of underlings and supporters on the ground in gaza, the guys in qatar are completely irrelevant.
if israel succeeds in dismantling hamas' organisational structure in gaza, then the remnants in qatar cease to be a threat or a problem for them.

 

[FedPostalService]

There's no point in any ceasefire. All it would do is give Hamas time to steal foreign aid, forcefully recruit refugees, and dig in deeper.

I honestly think that’s why Lefties are calling for a ceasefire, they saw what Hamas did in October and are thinking “better luck next time.”

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

How many decades is it going to take to learn these people can't be reasoned with and splitting land among them for oil in the 1920's was a mistake. They have no interest in peace until they fully occupy the holy land again like they fap about their ancient caliphs owning it 24 hours a day.

This part is why making the Arabs fight each other is a good thing. When Muslims are united, they create empires that invade other countries and it takes hundreds of years to Reconquista them out. When they're fighting each other, they only shit up the Middle East.

 

[EyeGuy]

Sunflower fields in Nahal Oz:

 

[Scrumption]

Hamas leadership, specifically Sinwar, would rather see every Palestinian in Gaza die around them than agree to do away with their holy mission to exterminate every Jew in Israel. If it wasn’t obvious before, it is obvious now. The only way that Israel can get anywhere in negotiations is by exploiting a conflict between Hamas leadership.

There are other ways to win, but they won’t happen, such as every country cutting off funding to Hamas.

Israel was able to exploit a schism in Hamas leadership to get Hamas to agree in the Shalit exchange in 2011. Sinwar was one of the people in Hamas who was against the exchange despite it ultimately leading to his release from Israeli prison. Al-Arouri was one of Hamas’s negotiators and he reportedly pushed against Sinwar to make the deal happen.
Israel also exploited the conflict between Fatah and Hamas in the past for its own advantage. If there was some way to interrupt the chain of command in Hamas, maybe to cut off the Leadership from the lower level operatives, maybe some progress could be made.

 

[Just_Somebody]

In a more somber note, the IDF confirmed the deaths of four more hostages, although they haven't recovered the bodies.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-kibbutz-nirim-announces-death-of-israeli-hostage-nadav-popplewell-51-in-hamas-captivity-in-gaza

https://archive.is/2nA4i

Have there been any genuine "proof of life" out of the hostages? Something that would show it was made recently? Specifically mention who won Eurovision, or Trump's conviction, or something like that. I'm highly skeptical any hostages are alive, and as much as it'd be nice to get the bodies back to their families, allowing Hamas to retain power in exchange for a few dozen bodies seems like an utterly shit deal. Something Israeli leftist cucks keep pushing for though, alongside Biden.

 

[FedPostalService]

Hamas leadership, specifically Sinwar, would rather see every Palestinian in Gaza die

I have the same energy

 

[Marzipan Apple]

Hamas leadership, specifically Sinwar, would rather see every Palestinian in Gaza die around them than agree to do away with their holy mission to exterminate every Jew in Israel. If it wasn’t obvious before, it is obvious now. The only way that Israel can get anywhere in negotiations is by exploiting a conflict between Hamas leadership.

There are other ways to win, but they won’t happen, such as every country cutting off funding to Hamas.

Israel was able to exploit a schism in Hamas leadership to get Hamas to agree in the Shalit exchange in 2011. Sinwar was one of the people in Hamas who was against the exchange despite it ultimately leading to his release from Israeli prison. Al-Arouri was one of Hamas’s negotiators and he reportedly pushed against Sinwar to make the deal happen.
Israel also exploited the conflict between Fatah and Hamas in the past for its own advantage. If there was some way to interrupt the chain of command in Hamas, maybe to cut off the Leadership from the lower level operatives, maybe some progress could be made.

Trying to open up negotiations is a noble effort but ultimately a lost cause, especially now. It took decades to get anywhere with the PLO and Fatah, and they were a horde of murderous psychos who somehow still look downright moderate compared to Hamas.
What would even be negotiated at this point? After Oct. 7 Israelis want Gaza nuked, and even before being completely steamrolled by the IDF Gazans wanted every Jew (let alone Israeli) wiped from existence.
This is looking more and more like a "peace through war" situation. I'm certainly no expert on the middle east, but I don't see any other way forward that involves peaceful negotiations until Hamas is either destroyed or completely beaten into submission. And even then, it's doubtful if Israel would have any interest in negotiating.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Trying to open up negotiations is a noble effort but ultimately a lost cause, especially now. It took decades to get anywhere with the PLO and Fatah, and they were a horde of murderous psychos who somehow still look downright moderate compared to Hamas.
What would even be negotiated at this point? After Oct. 7 Israelis want Gaza nuked, and even before being completely steamrolled by the IDF Gazans wanted every Jew (let alone Israeli) wiped from existence.
This is looking more and more like a "peace through war" situation. I'm certainly no expert on the middle east, but I don't see any other way forward that involves peaceful negotiations until Hamas is either destroyed or completely beaten into submission. And even then, it's doubtful if Israel would have any interest in negotiating.

The removal of Palestinians from Israel is the only meeting half-way point at this point. The only way to have the two state solution is if one of those states is on the other side of the planet, and so far, it ain't the Israelis that will be moving.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

There's no point in any ceasefire. All it would do is give Hamas time to steal foreign aid, forcefully recruit refugees, and dig in deeper.


The issue is that almost all of the Hamas leadership and financial backers are in Quatar. Unless they're dealt with, they'll keep stirring up shit indefinitely.

And Israel isn't in a position where they can justify a strike on Quatar yet.

A joint Israeli - Saudi incursion and giga-airstrike on Qatar would be pure kino

I honestly think that’s why Lefties are calling for a ceasefire, they saw what Hamas did in October and are thinking “better luck next time.”

Exactly. They know Hamas needs some time to regroup and reorganize and especially rearm.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Israel doesn't actually care about crushing Hamas. They created Hamas for fuck's sake.

 

[Harambe]

Israel doesn't actually care about crushing Hamas. They created Hamas for fuck's sake.

Dude does that actually make any sense in your head when you think it, like, the US was ultimately responsible for the creation of al qaeda and ISIS, but I'd wager anything that they actually cared about crushing the feral psycho dog they fucked up and set loose

managing colonies requires local clients, and local clients, even if you made them or armed them, and especially if they're muslim, will realize they can take your money and do what they please and stopping them will cost you more than letting them be evil and insane would normally cost. it is the core problem across history of managing restive and backward subject groups, the clients you hire are incentivized to double cross you frequently