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[Xarpho's Return]

You could totally replicate what they want for not that much money. You'd just have to hire a team to find an appropriate small town within (gasp) commuting distance of a real city, and then buy the damn town. Basically, you want something with the bare minimum, so a post office, grocery store or walmart, hardware store, what have you, the common core of a small town - finding one where everything is within four square miles, which should be totally possible. Buy up all the properties, get on the city council, and spend the money to route the highway around it, and ban cars within the city.

Here's the key to make it work - four square miles is two miles on a side, so the longest walk from a property inside is a mile, then you've hit an edge. You pave parking all around the edges, and people can still use their cars with just a simple mile walk - 15 minutes or less.

Then you begin redeveloping to take advantage of this. In a decade you have a wonderland.

(The above is actually possible if you have something like five thousand families willing to do it, or half a billion dollars. You may have to make some exceptions to the no-cars rules for scheduled deliveries and medical care, but it could be made to work. It's not likely to happen because people don't give enough of a damn, but if someone finds me half a billion I'll try it.)

5000 people, let alone 5000 families, aren't going to do it. In theory you could close off the main drag permanently and coax in some tourist shops but there's too many things you're forgetting:
- Everyone who lives there and now finds that their street is permanently "pedestrianized" is going to move out. You won't be able to build "mixed-use" because unlike cities no one is going to want or need to move in. The only way to make this viable is to make it a company town of some sort.
- If it's anything like a real small town, they're going to rely a lot on out-of-town business. In many cases, this manifests itself as a "two-sided town" solution, where half of it is an extended truck stop (and maybe a few suburban areas for commuters) with restaurants, gas stations, and the Walmart, and half of it is the "old town" with everything else. The old town of course gets business too. If you zap it, then say goodbye to anyone stopping in the Walmart or grocery store for emergency supplies, any restaurants, etc.
- Even if the carfuckers get their way, there's going to be in-fighting. There's going to be fights over parking on the perimeter, there's going to be fights over access for emergency vehicles, there's going to be fights over development inside the walls of their utopia.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Oh yeah it totally wouldn’t be self sufficient it’s just a glorified suburb, but it would technically fit all the requirements.

 

[Kyria the Great]

I'm still floored that people would still be so militant to our highway system when its shown to be a beyond marvel of engineering that the Romans themselves would blush if they were able to see it. The fact we have such an efficient roadways that can evacuate a metro area of 4-6 million in around 24 hours should be celebrated by all but I suppose its missing the forest for the trees.

 

[Yamamura]

I'm still floored that people would still be so militant to our highway system when its shown to be a beyond marvel of engineering that the Roman's themselves would blush if they were able to see it. The fact we have such an efficient roadways that can evacuate a metro area of 4-6 million in around 24 hours should be celebrated by all but I suppose its missing the forest for the trees.

Maybe the problem is when surrounded by great things eventually some people start to take them and the benefits they provide for granted. It really takes moving to someone with basically zero infrastructure to realize how good we have it really. Try riding a bicycle on unpaved road for several miles and then you realize how much it sucks.

Urbanists really have bought in hook line and sinker that their status quo of life with same day shipping and food delivery can be the same after replacing everything with cargo bikes and trains.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Urbanists really have bought in hook line and sinker that their status quo of life with same day shipping and food delivery can be the same after replacing everything with cargo bikes and trains.

I'm certain they'd say exceptions would be made for delivery vehicles, emergency service vehicles, utility vehicles, etc... up until we're back to square one when the rubber would hit the asphalt deep down.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

/r/fuckcars discovers plane-centric communities and is outraged:

This looks like the coolest thing ever.

A younger version of myself would sperg endlessly about this.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

This looks like the coolest thing ever.

A younger version of myself would sperg endlessly about this.

I remember sperging over Travolta and his house which is a perfect thing for fuckcars



https://www.traveller365.com/articl...mpressivehousewithaprivateairportUnbelievable - https://archive.ph/XYgR9

If you troll around farmland you’ll find private strips quite often - grass runways are really cheap and quite usable.

 

[niggerstomper58]

I am a Christian

Leftard christcucks are the most dysgenic, delusional, suicidal people in existence. They make jewish trannies and tradcath spics look SMART.

 

[BulkForceFive]

They don't realize that in most cases, the idea of the "urban life" requires a very mature urban center, and that small towns still function very much as they did pre-automobile, just with horse and buggy instead of car.

They don't realize that human settlements exist for a practical reason, not because a bunch of childish retards wanted to play fantasy castle IRL. Most major historical cities were either ports or a convenient place to build a commercial center for farming operations. Modern cities are founded around an industry like steelmaking, pulp and paper, railroading, shipbuilding. I looked up Columbia, MD and it was originally anchored by a GE appliance factory that shuttered BUT there's tons of federal jobs around the area to keep it going.

I'm sure they'll come back with 'work-from-home digital jobs', lmao. If that was workable, there wouldn't be so many tech jobs crammed into Silicon Valley.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Unironic use of the phrase "car-supremacist", I can't get over this fucking guy.

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Guess I'm a car supremacist because I drive a 03 Malibu beater because no bus in the area would get me to work on time Jason.

Maybe the problem is when surrounded by great things eventually some people start to take them and the benefits they provide for granted. It really takes moving to someone with basically zero infrastructure to realize how good we have it really. Try riding a bicycle on unpaved road for several miles and then you realize how much it sucks.

Urbanists really have bought in hook line and sinker that their status quo of life with same day shipping and food delivery can be the same after replacing everything with cargo bikes and trains.

Bro, we'll just replace the delivery vans with drones, they'll definitely be able to deliver a TV.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I'm sure they'll come back with 'work-from-home digital jobs', lmao. If that was workable, there wouldn't be so many tech jobs crammed into Silicon Valley.

So the interesting thing (philosophically) is that urbanization forces are tremendously strong - so strong that unless something actively fights it, you get incredibly density "almost naturally" around points of interest like employment, government centers, etc. It seems that big cities have tended to be a certain "travel time" across for millennia.

From this we can deduce that the car just allowed this travel time to increase - allowing cities to sprawl out. But why would people sprawl out if all the other benefits of urbanization are so strong? It's because people don't like being crammed in urban life - time and time again we see that when they have the option, even if it costs more in money or time, people prefer to disperse.

People love to visit urban areas (but to be precise, only a subset of them - everyone talks about visiting New York but Newark is almost as dense and certainly has stuff to do, but who visits Newark?) but living there exposes issues.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

People love to visit urban areas (but to be precise, only a subset of them - everyone talks about visiting New York but Newark is almost as dense and certainly has stuff to do, but who visits Newark?) but living there exposes issues.

This is related to the "empty university" I was talking about earlier but people tend to visit urban areas for the things that they offer, not for the things themselves. There's historical landmarks, shops, restaurants, and other things to see and do.

It's no surprise that these are proportional to their crowds, when places start closing the crowds start thinning out. You can see this in a few areas, like looking at Third Street Promenade, an outdoor mall in Santa Monica, California. You can see that in November 2017 the area is packed with people, but as of December 2023 many shops have closed and crowds have thinned. Trastevere, an Italian restaurant on the corner, closed up shop in 2020 and the building has been totally gutted for over a year with no construction progress.

The other thing is that tourists and urbanists alike focus on a particular area of a city, often near the city core or wherever the main tourist spots are, which tend to only compose a tiny fraction of the city. Whether there are parts of the city that are just square miles of slums or perfectly normal areas where there's the same stuff as everywhere else, that's what the actual city is like.

This looks like the coolest thing ever.

A younger version of myself would sperg endlessly about this.

There's also something else that hasn't been mentioned yet. Urbanists like to cry about how suburbs are "all the same" (nevermind that their favored five-over-ones are all interchangeable) yet they still cry over a subdivision that dares to do something different, creating a unique experience for those that can afford it.

 

[quaawaa]

The other thing is that tourists and urbanists alike focus on a particular area of a city, often near the city core or wherever the main tourist spots are, which tend to only compose a tiny fraction of the city. Whether there are parts of the city that are just square miles of slums or perfectly normal areas where there's the same stuff as everywhere else, that's what the actual city is like.

A lot of urbanists living in suburban cities never leave their neighborhood (or parents' basement) and therefore don't appreciate what their city has to offer. They believe that if they move to Amsterdam or New York, they'll magically find all sorts of cool things to do just by existing. That doesn't happen and they end up cooped up in their apartments all day and ordering delivery. They're not magically going to start looking up things to do in a new city when they refused to do so in their old city. Cities aren't boring, people can be boring, and urbanists are usually very boring people.

 

[A Random Lurker]

I'm amused every time they mention planes.

I wonder if they've ever gone to their bike shop only to be told "We don't have that in stock, but we can get it tomorrow." and then they said "Sure".

I'll give them a hint, it didn't come in on a train.

I feel like most people have no conception of the amount of freight that gets moved by planes, I can guarantee 90% of commercial flights are moving freight of some kind and every non hobbiest airport will be able to tender or recover freight. Despite all they rag on airplanes being inefficient or waste too much fuel every flight that isnt on a commuter jet is fully loaded carrying thousands of pounds of freight, passengers, and baggage, and will be doing it faster and more direct than high speed rail ever will. (Hint hint urbanists the high speed rail you jerk off to and want to sink billions into aren't going to be carrying any cargo it's the slow icky freight trains that you hate get priority on tracks and make you commuter rail lates)

 

[Kyria the Great]

Also by 400+ pages of this thread the commonality of the bugmen is their obsession with "efficiency" to the point they'll argue for severe curtailing of freedoms for it. Honestly I'm still surprised they aren't arguing we all live in cities akin to Kowloon Walled City because you don't really need all that space and its mixed-used, many 3rd spaces, and totally walk able. lets forget that humans only choose to live in cramped spaces because either work or opportunities dictate it or because there's no other choice and if many over-cramped cities could sprawl out, they would.

 

[Yamamura]

Bro, we'll just replace the delivery vans with drones, they'll definitely be able to deliver a TV.

Watch the slip and fall scammers start watering at the mouth when they think they've found a new liability to exploit being hit by falling TVs.

Also by 400+ pages of this thread the commonality of the bugmen is their obsession with "efficiency" to the point they'll argue for severe curtailing of freedoms for it. Honestly I'm still surprised they aren't arguing we all live in cities akin to Kowloon Walled City because you don't really need all that space and its mixed-used, many 3rd spaces, and totally walk able. lets forget that humans only choose to live in cramped spaces because either work or opportunities dictate it or because there's no other choice and if many over-cramped cities could sprawl out, they would.

It reminds me of that book every mom was obsessing over a while back, "The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up". More specifically because some people took it to an extreme where they thought the more minimalist everything is the happier you'll be. There's a point when you eliminate obvious clutter you'll be happier, but when you own absolutely nothing there's a diminishing return on happiness.

Clearly there are many things they enjoy that could be considered inefficient. Playing games is inefficient as it's a waste of time and power. Toys are a waste of plastic and materials. Extreme efficiency eventually gets to the point where it's a snake eating it's own tail, it never really ends.

 

[The Entity]

Redditors once again don't realize that subscriber numbers don't mean anything. There are no "half million" people on their shitty sub. No one with a functioning brain would think that you can have that many legit subscribers and have less than 0.1% of that online at one time.
The reality is that just like other subreddits the number is extremely inflated from people registering multiple accounts and bots since reddit doesn't seem to decrease the subscriber number when one account gets banned. Moreover it also will automatically subscribe you to a few subreddits when you register a new account resulting in multiple subs having extremely inflated numbers.

 

[LaxerBRO]

I'm still surprised they aren't arguing we all live in cities akin to Kowloon Walled City because you don't really need all that space and its mixed-used, many 3rd spaces, and totally walk able.

They are trying

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Enjoy living in a 100 to 400 square feet cube.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars member is willfully unemployed because she refuses to drive to work:

She's a 40 year old black college student who is working during the school year as a substitute teacher:



Though I suspect this is the real reason:

or maybe this is why:


lol:


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[Xarpho's Return]

They are trying

I don't understand how you could argue "free/subsidized apartments" and "adds to tax base" in the same sentence. Pick one.