Serious LGBT Discussion

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I appreciate it, but I really doubt there’s a fix to this. I’ll just have to live with it forever and I guess that means a life of celibacy considering I don’t wanna put a woman through a sham marriage.

What is it with gays and self-inflicted misery? I swear some become so attached to the entire tragic image of "being gay is an unbeatable curse that makes you destined for lifelong loneliness". Just find a fellow fag who isn't insufferable and into rainbows. There are so many of them that there's a subgenre of pick-me memes for gays and the gym culture is infamous for them. Stop copying Wilde and Isherwood, and choose to be happy for God's sake. Stop living for your parents and even if you can't, they will not become happier with a son who's lonely for his entire life.

 

[Str8Bustah]

I honestly wish shit like conversion therapy worked given that while I still wouldn’t have a lot of success as a straight man, at least I would be normal. Living with this shit makes me wish I was just gone.

From my understanding of it, there's a non-significant number of people who choose to combat this side of them by becoming monks.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to say 'just pray the gay away lol' as that's reductive and doesn't tackle the core issue. A better way of thinking about it is 'you were given a cross to bear so that through the struggle of lifting it, you could understand the path to salvation'. I'm not brave enough to admit my problems on a public site because I fear the ramifications of it, so you have me beat on that front, and I'd argue that's the first step in overcoming what you view as a problem by trying to bear aloft the cross you were given. In a sense it's not something that you get rid of, it's a darker aspect of you that paradoxically gives you the strength to become a better person through repentance and confession. Prayer is technically a part of it, but focusing on the prayer aspect misses the forest for the trees; prayer is really just meant to be an open dialogue between yourself and the Lord, the Theotokos and all the various Saints where you admit your faults and weaknesses and then ask them to help you have more strength to lift up whatever Cross you've been given.

Another way of thinking about it is that being aware of your own cross keeps you humble, and struggling not to feed whatever passions you have in the same way that a gooner, transsexual, porn addict or any other type of person who likely has a similar struggle makes it really easy to be forgiving to anyone with the same problem, which in turn fosters love for your brother (not lust, for the purposes of keeping it simple, think of it more like platonic love) and drives out a lot of base desire to treat them like an object for the sake of your own satisfaction.

I don't know if it will help, but here's a video you might like:

 

[gang weeder]

I wish conversion therapy was actually effective. I doubt anyone could ever change my homosexual thoughts to heterosexual thoughts but I would do anything to make homosexual thoughts and urges go away. I’ve been feeling mildly suicidal recently knowing that I never signed up for being this way and instead it was the result of upbringing/porn/media/molestation. Even just seeing all this pride month shit is making me depressed knowing I used to take so much pride in my sexual identity and now I view it like a curse. I don’t want to be gay anymore I just want to be normal.

Have you tried going porn-free? I feel pretty confident that watching porn will, at bare minimum, not help anyone's situation who is struggling with this.

I'm not gay and never have been so my comments here may be totally off base and worthless, but just a couple thoughts:

1. At least try dating women? Maybe it won't work out, but it doesn't hurt to try.

2. I don't know to what extent this is or isn't true for the average self-hating gay, but it seems to me that for many people, they are obsessed with sex and "intimacy" when it comes to a relationship. The main point of dating is to make your PP hard. Now sure that's a nice benefit. But another view is that the main point of dating is to eventually marry and raise a family. Even in a totally normal heterosexual relationship, beyond an initial honeymoon period, your lives together will not primarily revolve around fucking. You will have the maintenance of your household and care of your children as your primary binding tie and purpose in life.

If you have some gay urges but are able to procreate and raise a normal family in spite of them, again, you could at least try for that. If it was me, I would want to give it a shot. A lot of married couples aren't having very much sex once kids are in the picture anyways. Maybe it sounds cruel to imagine not being able to have the kind of sex you really want, but to me, never having a real family would be even crueler.

It would be nice if there were better options than this, if there were really was some kind of magic conversion therapy, but reality isn't fair and nature doesn't care.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

It would be nice if there were better options than this, if there were really was some kind of magic conversion therapy, but reality isn't fair and nature doesn't care.

That's why prevention is the only cure. Figure out what environmental factors correlate strongly with the development of homosexual attractions, and do everything possible to prevent children from developing same sex attraction.

Conversion therapy didn't work, only created more stress, and caused many to relapse, and relapse HARD.

 

[Android raptor]

That's why prevention is the only cure. Figure out what environmental factors correlate strongly with the development of homosexual attractions, and do everything possible to prevent children from developing same sex attraction.

Conversion therapy didn't work, only created more stress, and caused many to relapse, and relapse HARD.

Why? It's not a disease, personality I enjoy having much less risk of getting pregnant or murdered by a moid.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

That's why prevention is the only cure. Figure out what environmental factors correlate strongly with the development of homosexual attractions, and do everything possible to prevent children from developing same sex attraction.

Idk. Focusing on the possible sexuality of children is pretty strange, mate.

Homosexuality is probably nature’s way of keeping population numbers down. It has been observed in many species in the animal kingdom so it’s far from being “unnatural”. I find the fixation people have with others’ sexual orientation fucking weird.

We (rightfully) criticize people on here who try to pin kids as gay/trans, so what makes it different and morally superior by pinning them as straight?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Idk. Focusing on the possible sexuality of children is pretty weird, mate.

You don't have to focus on anything of the sort.

Just ensure the family unit remains stable, raise up children so they have a healthy amount of self esteem (so they are more likely to tell potential groomers to fuck off), and build trust between parent and child so that children don't isolate themselves.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

You don't have to focus on anything of the sort.

Just ensure the family unit remains stable, raise up children so they have a healthy amount of self esteem (so they are more likely to tell potential groomers to fuck off), and build trust between parent and child so that children don't isolate themselves.

I still know gay people who come from these sort of family units though. The “all gay people were molested as children” mantra is inaccurate.

 

[Android raptor]

I still know gay people who come from these sort of family units though. The “all gay people were molested as children” mantra is inaccurate.

Especially since way more women would be lesbians if CSA caused homosexuality.

I think it's like 1 in 4 women that were sexually abused as children or something like that.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Homosexuality is probably nature’s way of keeping population numbers down. It has been observed in many species in the animal kingdom so it’s far from being “unnatural”. I find the fixation people have with others’ sexual orientation fucking weird.

That's like saying ANY illness or disorder, whether it's caused by pathogens, genetics, trauma, or just plain bad luck, is natures way of keeping population numbers down, so therefore the medical community shouldn't do any research into treating any of them whatsoever.

This line of thinking is cope for the simple fact that homosexuality is a self-defeating behavior and isn't conducive to good health either on an individual level or for society at large.

I still know gay people who come from these sort of family units though. The “all gay people were molested as children” is inaccurate.

There's still an extremely high correlation between such trauma and turning out gay, though. And it's not even just that, there's also correlation between LGBTQ and having a bad relationship with one's parents.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

That's like saying ANY illness or disorder, whether it's caused by pathogens, genetics, trauma, or just plain bad luck, is natures way of keeping population numbers down, so therefore the medical community shouldn't do any research into treating any of them whatsoever.

This line of thinking is cope for the simple fact that homosexuality is abnormal and isn't conducive to good health either on an individual level or for society at large.

Why do you think homosexuality is a disease?

 

[Space Police]

That's why prevention is the only cure. Figure out what environmental factors correlate strongly with the development of homosexual attractions, and do everything possible to prevent children from developing same sex attraction.

Puberty blockers are a great cure for this. That way, your child won't ever develop a sexuality, and if your child doesn't neatly fit into boy/girl toy aisles, you can give them opposite sex hormones to prevent them from appearing out of place in society! And if you only find out your child is same-sex attracted after the onset of puberty, you can give them puberty blockers and then opposite sex hormones as well because heaven forbid the world has to see two men holding hands!

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Why do you think homosexuality is a disease?

> Self defeating lifestyle that at best, is comparable to being infertile, which is in of itself a disease or disorder.
> Non complimentary parings which leads to either hypersexuality or bed death with no in-between
> Greater correlation with other messed up "sexualities" and fetishes
> 3-7% of the population commits 25-40% of sexual violence against children, why?
> Greater amounts of STD infection, and even diseases spread near-exclusively by homosexuals, like AIDS and monkeypox, and the efforts of the mainstream media to cover this up.
> Greater amounts of correlating mental disorders and emotional disorders, which even studies admit that societal attitudes on homosexuality has a negligible impact on, meaning it doesn't get better even if society kisses your collective asses.
> Slippery slope plays out IRL immediately after gay marriage was forced on society in 2015.

"Why do you think homosexuality is a disease?"

 

[Android raptor]

There's still an extremely high correlation between such trauma and turning out gay, though. And it's not even just that, there's also correlation between LGBTQ and having a bad relationship with one's parents.

Wow it's almost like shitty homophobic parents tend to abuse and traumatize lgbtq kids.

 

[Space Police]

> Self defeating lifestyle that at best, is comparable to being infertile, which is in of itself a disease or disorder.

The whole point of life isn't to have kids. Does this mean infertile heterosexual marriages are unhealthy?

> Non complimentary parings which leads to either hypersexuality or bed death with no in-between

Evidence?

> Greater correlation with other messed up "sexualities" and fetishes

As compared to heterosexual males? Because gay men aren't the ones making or watching sissy hypno and BWNO cuck porn.

> 3-7% of the population commits 25-40% of sexual violence against children, why?

Compare it to the rate of sexual abuse among heterosexual males.

> Slippery slope plays out IRL immediately after gay marriage was forced on society in 2015.

Only because gay rights orgs stopped advocating for gay rights once they cashed their first big pharma HRT cheque.

> Greater amounts of correlating mental disorders and emotional disorders, which even studies admit that societal attitudes on homosexuality has a negligible impact on.

So gay people would be happier if society accepted them.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

> Self defeating lifestyle that at best, is comparable to being infertile, which is in of itself a disease or disorder.

Not everyone wants to, or should be, a parent.

> Non complimentary parings which leads to either hypersexuality or bed death with no in-between

I’m sure as a straight male you’re more than acquainted with the sex lives of gay folk.

> 3-7% of the population commits 25-40% of sexual violence against children, why?

I could not find this statistic anywhere except for some bullshit Baptist website.

> Greater amounts of STD infection, and even diseases spread near-exclusively by homosexuals, like AIDS and monkeypox, and the efforts of the mainstream media to cover this up.

Yeah, homosexual men tend to be more promiscuous, because they’re men. Men are horny. Women in straight relationships are the gatekeepers of sex and tend to want intercourse less than men (for the most part).

Also STD’s are still commonly contracted with standard PIV intercourse.

> Greater amounts of correlating mental disorders and emotional disorders, which even studies admit that societal attitudes on homosexuality has a negligible impact on.

Gay youths are abused at higher rates on average because of their sexuality.

> Slippery slope plays out IRL immediately after gay marriage was forced on society in 2015.

A lot of the slippery slope fallacy comes from the trans movement, of which a majority are not homosexuals. I’m not going to disagree that the modern LGBT “community” is full of toxicity but this does indicate that homosexuality in itself is a disease.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

The whole point of life isn't to have kids. Does this mean infertile heterosexual marriages are unhealthy?

Among the hardline anti-gay folk there always seems to be a fair bit of weird insecurity and projection. I'll bet a lot of them don't have kids and feel bad about it.

From a biological standpoint not being reproductive would absolutely be a disorder, except humans exist as populations of often genetically related organisms and therefore can't be viewed that simplistically. Ants aren't somehow a biologically invalid species just because the majority of the nest doesn't directly reproduce.

As compared to heterosexual males? Because gay men aren't the ones making or watching sissy hypno and BWNO cuck porn.

Ok, no, but they are the ones hanging out in leather clubs, or at circuit parties, or in the back of adult stores screwing random dudes in the booths, places that exist and profit almost from catering to the gay fetish crowd.
Let's not pretend that gay shit by percentage isn't more associated with bizarre, fetishistic behavior like we're a bunch of redditors and don't have two eyes.

I’m sure as a straight male you’re more than acquainted with the sex lives of LGBT folk.

Yes, absolutely. Lesbianism, for example, is a farce and couples very quickly cease to have sex, lesbian bed death is a well recognized phenomenon. At their best they're basically just libertine roommates.

Overall I get not respecting homosexuality as being equivalent to heterosexuality because it definitely seems associated with greater levels of pathology (as are a lot of nonstandard lifestyles), but at the same time it's really weird to sit around seething about it.
I've known and gotten along very well with homos, we just take the simple route of not talking about who we want to screw constantly and instead talk about other things we can both relate to, which seems to be a lost art in modern discourse.

 

[Captain Confabulator]

“Gay rights” has been from its inception a men’s sexual liberation movement — and what these degenerate faggots sought to be liberated from was social norms, constraints, and decency.

This is why pedophilia was a founding part of the gay political agenda (a historical fact that many people love to overlook) and was only suppressed when the bad optics of “boy-lovers” threatened the entire project.

This is why “pride parades” are full of men in fetish gear acting out their kinks on public streets.

And this is why the “T” is in fact a natural extension of the “LGB”. After men had been liberated from constraints against sodomizing each other in massive orgies and spreading venereal disease, why couldn’t the cross-dressing autogynephiles be liberated right into the women’s changing room?

It’s all a men’s sexual degeneracy movement, always has been and always will be.

 

[Back To School]

@gang weeder It oddly won’t let me quote your response to me, but in regards to what you said - I don’t think I could ever date a woman. I have slept with women before and didn’t necessarily have a bad experience, but I have zero romantic feelings for women, only platonic, and would hate to lie to some woman and make her think that I love her. The idea of raising a family and having biological children does sound nice in theory, but I would hate to pass on any of my mental health shit on a child (given that mental illness runs deep in both sides of my family) and would rather just adopt. When it comes to the sexual part of relationships like you said, I oddly could care less. Between the sexual trauma I’ve faced and just me not being a very sexual person, I don’t go into relationships seeking that (which honestly makes being gay harder for me given that most gay men are all sex obsessed).

Honestly just even coming into this thread and reading everything is causing me to feel a lot of repulsion and shame in regards to my homosexuality and just makes me really depressed. I don’t want this to sound ridiculous to some people but since I had a “come to Jesus moment” in regards to my homosexuality and how it’s not only wrong but something I never asked to develop, it’s honestly ruined my life to the point where I’ve had difficulty getting out of bed or feeling joy over anything recently. Thinking about being gay has put me in the darkest mental space I’ve ever been and idk what to do anymore. I don’t even want to associate with any of my gay friends anymore, regardless of them being good people, because their homosexuality is just a constant reminder of mine, and as horrible as this sounds, I don’t even want to attend my sister’s gay wedding next year given that it’ll be a celebration of her homosexual condition - but I don’t know how to tell her or my parents that without it ruining my relationship with both of them.

I just really wish it could stop. I wish I could fix myself. I never wanted this life or this condition.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Homosexuality is probably nature’s way of keeping population numbers down.

There's really no scientific backing for this. Homosexuality happens among some animal species, but that hardly makes it natural. Its actually most common among animal species when put into unnatural situations, like captivity and isolation, where its been seen even among species that don't practice homosexuality in the wild.

The whole point of life isn't to have kids.

The most basic biological drive of every species, mankind included, is to propagate itself. Homosexuality, from that standpoint, is absolutely illogical and a biological dead end since it would be an impediment to normal human biological reproduction.

Ants aren't somehow a biologically invalid species just because the majority of the nest doesn't directly reproduce.

Ants do not reproduce the same way as humans, so this is a moot point.