Serious LGBT Discussion

[Str8Bustah]

I wish Null would a pensive react emoji

 

[Hojicha]

Wow it's almost like shitty homophobic parents tend to abuse and traumatize lgbtq kids.

Don't forget this gem guys

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/blues-...-cutest-cartoon-drag-queen.91565/post-9273667

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Honestly just even coming into this thread and reading everything is causing me to feel a lot of repulsion and shame in regards to my homosexuality and just makes me really depressed.

You're going to mindfuck yourself into suicide at this rate. Stop reading this thread and go talk with your parents and sister. Tell them you're gay, want to be celibate and are having mental issues. The internet is only making you worse.

 

[Back To School]

You're going to mindfuck yourself into suicide at this rate. Stop reading this thread and go talk with your parents and sister. Tell them you're gay, want to be celibate and are having mental issues. The internet is only making you worse.

My parents don’t give a shit about me or my mental health unfortunately and would probably laugh it off and say that I need to worry about “real things”. My sister would also most likely refuse to hear me out and probably assume it’s (correctly) internalized homophobia, even though it’s coming from a logical place given that I have the self awareness she doesn’t and know that my same-sex attractions are wrong and unnatural. I can’t see a therapist who can help me with this given that the majority are woke and libbed out and will tell me that there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality. The only other option for a non-pro homosexuality therapist would be a Christian/Catholic one but I’m not the religious type. I’m basically screwed and don’t know what to do - you mentioned suicide and it’s starting to feel like an option even though I want to live. This thread is difficult to read but it’s a necessity given that it reminds me that it’s not just me that thinks I have this disorder.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That's why prevention is the only cure. Figure out what environmental factors correlate strongly with the development of homosexual attractions, and do everything possible to prevent children from developing same sex attraction.

Conversion therapy didn't work, only created more stress, and caused many to relapse, and relapse HARD.

It's 2008-era Chris Chan!
Do you also go to the mall and sit in the food court with an attraction sign? I'd ask if you're a virgin with rage, too, but we all know the answer to that one

Especially since way more women would be lesbians if CSA caused homosexuality.

I think it's like 1 in 4 women that were sexually abused as children or something like that.

That was the common trope of the 1950s, which of course turned out to be false. However, retards like him are stuck in the 1950s because their autism turned them into bible thumping boomers, so he believes it unquestionably

 

[Gremperor]

This is why pedophilia was a founding part of the gay political agenda (a historical fact that many people love to overlook) and was only suppressed when the bad optics of “boy-lovers” threatened the entire project.

Harry Hay openly supported pedophile rights groups like NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) but still gets celebrated as a pioneer for gay rights same with Harvey Milk the first open homo to hold public office in California, he was a jewish pedophile who sexually exploited a 16 year old boy who later killed himself, children are now forced to celebrate the predators that want rape them in schools with national events like Harvey Milk Day (signed into law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger).

You also have the collection of pedophiles known as the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) (Thread) which contains multiple supporters of the early gay rights movement and famous writers like Harlon Ellison the author of I have no mouth and I must scream.

This is why “pride parades” are full of men in fetish gear acting out their kinks on public streets.

Children too.

 

[Kerr Avon]

The wider homosexual community trying to paint trannies as homophobia is just

 

[gang weeder]

It oddly won’t let me quote your response to me, but in regards to what you said - I don’t think I could ever date a woman. I have slept with women before and didn’t necessarily have a bad experience, but I have zero romantic feelings for women, only platonic, and would hate to lie to some woman and make her think that I love her.

What do you think is the difference between "romantic" and "platonic" feelings? If you've had sex with women and weren't repulsed by it, I'd seriously question whether you are really "gay" or not. Bisexual sounds more appropriate.

To me, the concept of "romance" is far over-valued, being sold as some sort of mythical special ingredient that relationships and marriages can't form without. In reality, yes usually relationships form due to intense sexual attraction at first, but that is only an initial phase and a stable, long-term relationship is maintained by all the work you and your partner have done building your life together, not because you are still screwing like rabbits after 10 years together. Real love for somebody only comes as a result of committing to them and actually putting in the work to maintain that commitment, it's not a magical feeling that appears out of thin air with no apparent cause.

My bottom line advice would be that you try and actually have a long term relationship before you spend too much time over-analyzing the reasons why you think you can't have one. Maybe you have had them, I don't know, but if you haven't you should just try it first and see what happens.

Honestly just even coming into this thread and reading everything is causing me to feel a lot of repulsion and shame in regards to my homosexuality and just makes me really depressed.

If it were me I'd be consulting with a priest about it, but my guess is you aren't religious. Normally I would recommend therapy but this is such a touchy subject that I really don't know if that would be a good idea or not. There's a really high chance that a therapist would try and feed you a bunch of leftie bullshit.

I think the best thing you can do is be honest with your family. It might be really hard to navigate that but IME it is always better to be honest with family. If you can't even talk to your own family about things then, as it sounds like you are experiencing, you are truly isolated and alone in the world.

As far as hating yourself over it, if you aren't acting on your homosexual feelings then I really think you have nothing to feel bad about. I know it's not that simple to just instantly change how you feel but I think of it as similar to having a weakness to drug/alcohol addiction. Some people most definitely, obviously, have a high predisposition for substance abuse and need to stay away from substances or else risk ruining their lives with addiction. That's a shitty trait to have but it's only something to feel bad about if you actually give into it and do let it run your life. If you are able to keep it at bay and live a normal life then you can be proud of yourself and have self-respect just like anyone else.

The only other option for a non-pro homosexuality therapist would be a Christian/Catholic one but I’m not the religious type.

Have you thought about becoming the religious type? If you are having suicidal thoughts, it's really worth exploring all options. At least give it a shot before you let yourself just give up on things. A good priest will be highly sympathetic to your plight, likely may have experience with similar situations/feelings from other people already, and is your best shot at a trustworthy 3rd party who you can confide in and will actually look out for you.

 

[Str8Bustah]

The only other option for a non-pro homosexuality therapist would be a Christian/Catholic one but I’m not the religious type.

Just expanding on @gang weeder's post, I'd say it's not a bad thing to try out a Church, remember that there are as many different kinds of parishes as there are stars in the sky, though I would advise to look for an Orthodox parish, if only because as far as Orthodoxy is concerned, being gay or straight isn't the problem any more than lacking self-control is the problem.

At the end of the day it's your choice, but if there's a parish nearby you I'd give them a look and see what they're like, and if you don't feel the calling then at least you can say you gave it a shot.

 

[gang weeder]

Just expanding on @gang weeder's post, I'd say it's not a bad thing to try out a Church, remember that there are as many different kinds of parishes as there are stars in the sky, though I would advise to look for an Orthodox parish, if only because as far as Orthodoxy is concerned, being gay or straight isn't the problem any more than lacking self-control is the problem.

At the end of the day it's your choice, but if there's a parish nearby you I'd give them a look and see what they're like, and if you don't feel the calling then at least you can say you gave it a shot.

This and to add one last thing, keep in mind that you need to keep attending somewhere for a while to build up a rapport/relationship with the congregation and priest. It's going to feel weird and awkward at first if you're just randomly there by yourself and that's normal. But these places get "inquirers" regularly and if you just introduce yourself to the priest and then keep coming back you will be accepted. Showing commitment establishes membership and belonging (true for any group or institution not just church).

 

[Android raptor]

It’s all a men’s sexual degeneracy movement, always has been and always will be.

Nah thats conservatism and religious fundamentalism

 

[Back To School]

@gang weeder It won’t let me quote your post for some reason (yet again), but thank you for the advice and for being so kind. I understand that the concept of “romance” is overvalued, but what I more-so mean by it is it’s hard for me to feel “love” for a woman the same way I do a man. When I briefly dated girls, I felt this weird emptiness where I enjoyed having them around as a friend but trying to make myself feel any “love” for them was difficult. I know that most likely doesn’t make a lot of sense given that all “love”, whether it’s in a friendship or in a relationship, is basically the same thing, but I just don’t get the same feelings for women that I do for men. When it comes to the sexual part, I would honestly consider myself bisexual in the sexual sense but (without sounding like a leftoid using this Tumblr term) definitely consider myself “homoromantic”.

I know I shouldn’t feel bad about having homosexual urges and feelings because I never asked for them, but I hate that they exist. It feels like a sickness or an illness that I can’t cure myself of and that’s the difficult aspect. I know it’s not wrong to have those feelings but I would consider it wrong of me to act on them, so I’m going to try my hardest to be celibate and not let any temptation for men get in my way of healing.

 

[DavidS877]

It won’t let me quote your post for some reason (yet again),

If you want to quote/reply to a long post. Highlight the section you want to quote/reply and click the Quote or Reply button that pops up.

 

[Back To School]

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My bad, thank you!

 

[GunCar Gary]

Between the sexual trauma I’ve faced and just me not being a very sexual person, I don’t go into relationships seeking that (which honestly makes being gay harder for me given that most gay men are all sex obsessed).

this seems like a good candidate for some therapy. unfortunately, with how pozzed psychology/ADA is and with how many therapists are women, you're going to have a hard time finding a good therapist that understands this issue well enough to separate out the abuse from how a lot of gay men act normally (which usually also has some element of abuse). straight male therapists will be grossed out by your problems and female therapists will be too busy masturbating furiously to how progressive and supportive they are as they try to be enablers for your unhealthy behaviors

your family sounds like no help. relying on them for support is a dead end that will waste your time and energy. there's probably not going to be some Lifetime movie event where they suddenly accept you and are best friends with you, unless they're possibly on their death bed and realize too late they have a lot of regrets in life. Lifetime "a very special story" movies are gay and lame and are fantasy made by women, for women. they have no basis in reality

if you're in a larger/medium city i'd recommend looking around for a local male therapist that's in "the community" and try to do some vetting that they're not some progressive tard who's going to tell you to go out and have sex with a bunch of random people to express yourself or whatever. or, if that's not available, try to find some local groups that are run by old-school homo guys that have spent some time tampering down their demons and are able to work as a mentor to someone else without trying to fuck them

it's a process that's going to be filled with landmines either way but if you find a good mentor of some kind it sounds like it would do a lot of good

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I know I shouldn’t feel bad about having homosexual urges and feelings because I never asked for them, but I hate that they exist. It feels like a sickness or an illness that I can’t cure myself of and that’s the difficult aspect. I know it’s not wrong to have those feelings but I would consider it wrong of me to act on them, so I’m going to try my hardest to be celibate and not let any temptation for men get in my way of healing.

At the risk of sounding like an even bigger asshole, I do not believe that repressing your homosexuality is a healthy way forward. Through repression, you are chasing a goal which you will never achieve with misery as the result. You are gay and you will never unbecome it. There is also nothing wrong with you in the first place. You are not disgusting and there is nothing evil in your love for the same sex. Dwelling in this disgust for who you are will only lead towards self-destruction. This is why conversion therapy does not work in the long term. You are trying to fix something that is not a problem in the first place.

In my view of your situation, I cannot help but see parallels with an average transgender's downwards spiral. They too feel disgust for who they are and by transitioning, they hope to become someone else which is an impossible goal. Similarly, these self-destructive urges are often fueled by the consumption of Internet content. You are letting strangers on the Internet destroy your sense of self in favor of their ideological convictions. These people do not care for your personal situation and wellbeing. They are seeking to impose their ideology at your cost. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a homosexual, just like there is nothing bad about being born a man or woman. You are gay and there is no happy ending in changing that.

I cannot convince you that there is nothing wrong with your homosexuality, but at least do not end everything over it. If you cannot seek help from your family, think back to the last person who made you happy and go spend more time with them now. Do not dwell that self-hate and remember that you are your own person. You can be homosexual without repeating any of the behaviors that disgust you.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I think the best thing you can do is be honest with your family. It might be really hard to navigate that but IME it is always better to be honest with family. If you can't even talk to your own family about things then, as it sounds like you are experiencing, you are truly isolated and alone in the world.

I really wish more parents were better equipped to deal with all of this. As much of a shameless homophobe I am, reactionary and emotionally immature parents make things worse.

People with crossed wires need help, support, and love from their family, especially their parents. Isolation only makes it all worse, especially if idiot parents give their children good reasons to isolate themselves.

Parents who leave their children out to dry like this, they're fucking cowards who bury their heads in the sand and hope all this culturally celebrated degeneracy goes away on its own. It won't, it's only going to get worse, and it's going to negatively affect other people in their lives.

 

[gang weeder]

I really wish more parents were better equipped to deal with all of this. As much of a shameless homophobe I am, reactionary and emotionally immature parents make things worse.

People with crossed wires need help, support, and love from their family, especially their parents. Isolation only makes it all worse, especially if idiot parents give their children good reasons to isolate themselves.

Yeah I can't imagine cutting off my kid even if they were homosexual and unrepentant about it. It might be an issue between us if they are drinking leftoid kool aid but still, you almost never help your child by just cutting them off out of spite. That would only make them double down and harden their views.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Yeah I can't imagine cutting off my kid even if they were homosexual and unrepentant about it. It might be an issue between us if they are drinking leftoid kool aid but still, you almost never help your child by just cutting them off out of spite. That would only make them double down and harden their views.

Not only is it a horrible, heartless thing to do, it's also fucking retarded.

They find out that their children are drifting away, likely into the arms of pedophiles and groomers, and their response is to push them away into the arms of said predators?

 

[Back To School]

this seems like a good candidate for some therapy. unfortunately, with how pozzed psychology/ADA is and with how many therapists are women, you're going to have a hard time finding a good therapist that understands this issue well enough to separate out the abuse from how a lot of gay men act normally (which usually also has some element of abuse). straight male therapists will be grossed out by your problems and female therapists will be too busy masturbating furiously to how progressive and supportive they are as they try to be enablers for your unhealthy behaviors

I definitely do think I need a therapist because the way my homosexual condition has been negatively affecting me is not good and will only get worse if I don’t seek out the proper resources to help me with this. The only issue is, like you said, a lot of therapists are woke and libbed out and the idea of finding a good one that is anti-homosexuality without it coming from a religious POV sounds like a pipe dream. Regardless, I still know I need therapy because it’s getting to the point where I started to cut all communication with most of the gay people in my life (except my sister, but I need to figure out a good way to tell her that I can’t go to her wedding or support her relationship with her “girlfriend” anymore) because their condition is a constant reminder of my own condition. My friend called that selfish but I feel like it was necessary to do given that being friends with gays while I’m suffering from my own homosexuality is the equivalent of me struggling with an addiction and being friends with addicts. I don’t need those with a similar condition as mine to influence my behavior.

It just sucks because my mind is getting dark and it’s getting hard to get out of bed, take care of myself, or go outside - it might sound silly and stupid but I somewhat genuinely regret coming onto this thread when signing up here because while I already knew that my homosexuality was wrong and an illness and could’ve avoided had I not been exposed to molestation/gay media/gay porn at a young age, and while I’m grateful to know that I’m not the only one who recognizes that I have a sickness I never asked for, I kinda feel a lot worse just realizing that my homosexuality could’ve been avoided had I experienced a better childhood.

At the risk of sounding like an even bigger asshole, I do not believe that repressing your homosexuality is a healthy way forward. Through repression, you are chasing a goal which you will never achieve with misery as the result. You are gay and you will never unbecome it. There is also nothing wrong with you in the first place. You are not disgusting and there is nothing evil in your love for the same sex. Dwelling in this disgust for who you are will only lead towards self-destruction. This is why conversion therapy does not work in the long term. You are trying to fix something that is not a problem in the first place.

I don’t think you remotely sound like an asshole at all - I very much appreciate how kind and receptive you (and everyone for that matter) in this thread has been to me. I do know that repression is useless and will only make me worse, but I also know that living a life of homosexuality (which I do consider to be a disease/illness that I never consented to developing) will only make my life even more difficult. I just feel like I’m in between a rock and a hard place because I do want to accept myself and I do want to experience love and happiness with another person, but I also know that homosexuality is not good for me - so it’s either a life of celibacy (which truly sounds like torture because I don’t want to end up alone) or going down a dark path where I eventually get back into drinking and drugs and remove myself from this earth, which I really don’t want to do.

I cannot convince you that there is nothing wrong with your homosexuality, but at least do not end everything over it. If you cannot seek help from your family, think back to the last person who made you happy and go spend more time with them now. Do not dwell that self-hate and remember that you are your own person. You can be homosexual without repeating any of the behaviors that disgust you.

I really don’t want to die, but I also don’t want to live with this condition anymore. I wish I could just talk to someone about this but everyone in my life is pro-gay and would convince me that I’m fine and “normal” when I know I’m not. That’s the only reason why suicide is feeling like an option these days.

I really wish more parents were better equipped to deal with all of this. As much of a shameless homophobe I am, reactionary and emotionally immature parents make things worse.

People with crossed wires need help, support, and love from their family, especially their parents. Isolation only makes it all worse, especially if idiot parents give their children good reasons to isolate themselves.

I agree with you. I think my parents are good people but I also feel like if I came to them about this and told them that my homosexual condition is serving as the catalyst for my detoriating mental health, they’d laugh it off or tell me that there’s nothing wrong with being gay and that I’m being ridiculous. It’s weird because it’s not like I want them to be homophobic or hate me for being gay, but I also don’t want them to act like there’s nothing wrong with it either and support and enable this condition (like they do with my sister).