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RX-78 said:
See the problem is you're expecting one of the dumbest corporations to act rationally. Amazon is run by dei mystery meat and aids-riddled faggots, and thus will absolutely double down on twitch for muh optics even if it has to burn every bridge to do so. The bean counters know that the loss leader business strategy is retarded by default, but that doesn't matter to the suits when twitch's real purpose is to spew out faggot propaganda and indoctrinate children.
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There does come a point when the money dries up and the bean counters restore sanity.

People can scream about Blackrock all they like but even they can’t be retarded forever.
 
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FedPostalService said:
It’s just retarded zoomers who think everything on the internet should be free and don’t understand why everything is drenched in advertisements and anything that isn’t corporate beige and slathered with rainbows gets destroyed.
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It used to be free and it became online culture to pay people to do mundane things. Why would I want to pay someone to play Minecraft? There are so many people streaming all the time there is no value in any of them. If I wasn't watching one Minecraft streamer I would be watching another. And money being involved has changed how online media works and makes everything have to appeal to the widest audiences possible. Every thumb nail on youtube has to have a soyjak reaction and arrows pointing to things because it gets the most clicks. You won't believe how unoriginal the internet is because profit dominates passion.

Zoomers are the ones donating and buying Twitch subs. Most channels subs are whales gifting 5 or 10 subs a night to random viewers. So it's a very small group of people giving Twitch lots of money and not the community thinking it's worth paying $6s for a couple of emotes and access to a Discord no one uses.
 
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Shiverpeaks said:
It used to be free and it became online culture to pay people to do mundane things. Why would I want to pay someone to play Minecraft? There are so many people streaming all the time there is no value in any of them. If I wasn't watching one Minecraft streamer I would be watching another. And money being involved has changed how online media works and makes everything have to appeal to the widest audiences possible. Every thumb nail on youtube has to have a soyjak reaction and arrows pointing to things because it gets the most clicks. You won't believe how unoriginal the internet is because profit dominates passion.

Zoomers are the ones donating and buying Twitch subs. Most channels subs are whales gifting 5 or 10 subs a night to random viewers. So it's a very small group of people giving Twitch lots of money and not the community thinking it's worth paying $6s for a couple of emotes and access to a Discord no one uses.
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It’s actually real life culture to pay entertainers or artists you enjoy. That‘s how they make a living and how we keep getting entertainment and art.
 
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FedPostalService said:
It’s actually real life culture to pay entertainers or artists you enjoy. That‘s how they make a living and how we keep getting entertainment and art.
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The internet isn't real life. There are over a million streamers on Twitch each day. is it my job to pay them? Should I pay actors in TV clips I see on youtube as well?
 
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Shiverpeaks said:
The internet isn't real life. There are over a million streamers on Twitch each day. is it my job to pay them? Should I pay actors in TV clips I see on youtube as well?
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If there any you enjoy watching dont be surprised if they stop if no one subs. If capitalism so complicated?
 
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FedPostalService said:
There does come a point when the money dries up and the bean counters restore sanity.

People can scream about Blackrock all they like but even they can’t be retarded forever.
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Blackrock lost more than a few billion last year and hasn't figured out how to course correct yet. Turns out even the largest pozz propaganda machine in the world is sweating when it's clients demand more and more DEI payments to offset the loss of their customers.
 
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306h4Ge5eJUJ said:
Youtube has (or at least used to have) contracts with ISPs where they'll store copies of the most popular videos locally to reduce load. Obviously you can't do this with live video, so arguably Twitch is in an even worse spot than Youtube.
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This is complicated.

The dynamic is that the way to improve service and reduce costs for most people involved used to be direct peering. You throw me a fiber in a data center for 'free' and I'll serve the traffic. This still happens quite frequently, but it breaks down in the face of 1: The colossal demand for video on today's net, 2: The attempts of Verizon, Comcast et al to turn that model on its head and charge for peering to get good service (what caused the original Net Neutrality debate) and 3: The desire to 'push down' the video serving as far as possible.

Netflix was sort of first out of the gate with the 'local cache' idea. They'll give you servers for free to host on your network to do what you're talking about. This works quite well but for a couple years now the ISPs are getting sick of that business model - they're on the hook for the power, cooling and care of those servers, which provides a benefit to Google/Netflix/Amazon. Some of the big boys (Comcast for example) don't play the game at all for this reason. Others are going for more radical approaches. I've been around projects to put caching servers into neighborhood-level CMTS cabinets. Recently they came around my neighborhood and put a bigger box for xfinity up on the pole - I suspect this is to enable an effort like that.

Local caches don't HAVE to break down where live streaming's involved. Once upon a time multicasting was supposed to fix this problem on the Internet but that sucked at even moderate scale. Today, you just tell the browser's player to go to a local cache that rebroadcasts the stream for people in your area. It's not that hard. It is harder for Twitch because other than big-name streamers the effort isn't worth it.

Notably Amazon about a year ago did a huge, high pressure campaign to get everyone to massively beef up their peering with AWS. This was to support their Prime Video exclusive Thursday Night Football games. This was not - so far as I saw in traffic analysis - rebroadcasted in local caching but I suspect this was the strategy. Cloudfront, AWS' CDN, has always been kind of an also-ran, and they wanted to beef that up. That effort is a big boost to Twitch who IIRC still runs a hybrid AWS/local data center model ten years after acquisition.
 
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FedPostalService said:
It’s actually real life culture
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"Muh culture" will always be the worst argument for anything ever. "Culture" is purely the amalgamation of how people live their lives, and that's always liable to be criticized. If something shitty and stupid is "actually real life culture," then the next step of logic is "that aspect of 'actually real life culture' sucks."

It's not my responsibility to fund the lifestyles of people I find entertaining. If they stop because I didn't support them then that's their prerogative. The world is inundated and oversaturated with "entertainment" and "art" anyways.
 
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Justa Grata Honoria said:
I was looking at twitch revenue they reported something like 2.8 bil. Where did it went???? Dei and drugs?

Does someone have breakdowns of twitch expenses???
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They let every single retard who wants to stream themselves sleeping do it in high quality. They have a shitload of gargantuan datacenters all around the world working 24/7 for Twitch alone. No idea what their expenses are exactly but content delivery alone is very expensive. Being able to deliver high quality video streams with 99.9% uptime to millions of people around the world through a system that must be ready to comfortably handle at least twice even thrice as much traffic all the fucking time is unimaginably expensive.

Pretty sure Twitch can't possibly turn profit ever, not with current electricity and amortization prices.
 
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Harm said:
"Muh culture" will always be the worst argument for anything ever. "Culture" is purely the amalgamation of how people live their lives, and that's always liable to be criticized. If something shitty and stupid is "actually real life culture," then the next step of logic is "that aspect of 'actually real life culture' sucks."

It's not my responsibility to fund the lifestyles of people I find entertaining. If they stop because I didn't support them then that's their prerogative. The world is inundated and oversaturated with "entertainment" and "art" anyways.
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Enjoy working for free. You’ll own nothing and be happy.
 
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FedPostalService said:
Then I hope you enjoy eating bugs, in your pod, whilst watching rainbow slop.
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Y'know, people can (and oftentimes do) pursue creative endeavors as a....hobby. As in, something to do in their free time, when not doing the stuff that actually pays their bills. If it also helps to pay their bills, that's just a bonus.
 
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Mikoyan said:
That effort is a big boost to Twitch who IIRC still runs a hybrid AWS/local data center model ten years after acquisition.
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Twitch is basically being ran on Amazon IVS for the live video ingest and distribution, which is Amazon's service for streaming video. The funniest thing is that Kick uses Amazon IVS as well for live streaming + archiving, and most of the hosts that you see in the DNS for Kick their live playout have twitch.tv or justin.tv reverse DNS and are hosted in the Twitch Interactive (AS46489) network.

Basically Amazon is selling the physical infrastructure behind Twitch (the entire Twitch CDN + livestreaming infra including transcoding to various formats/bitrates) on AWS, being fully ran out of Twitch their infrastructure. Twitch has some features that Amazon IVS doesn't offer yet, so it looks like there is still some differentiation between plain Amazon IVS and Twitch. I noticed this when I started watching my nigga BossmanJack religiously on Kick and all of a sudden I was seeing traffic from Twitch Interactive/AS46489 and just had to figure out where the traffic was coming from.
 
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FedPostalService said:
Then I hope you enjoy eating bugs, in your pod, whilst watching rainbow slop.
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Do you know you can entertain yourself without consuming mass media? Twitch doesn't need me and I don't need Twitch. I can choose to never open Twitch again and never turn on a TV. Why do you think we're forced to consume anything? It's a choice.
 
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Vyse Inglebard said:
Y'know, people can (and oftentimes do) pursue creative endeavors as a....hobby. As in, something to do in their free time, when not doing the stuff that actually pays their bills. If it also helps to pay their bills, that's just a bonus.
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Yes they do. Also, they secretly want to do it full time and become millionaires. If they don’t say that out loud they are either lying to you or rich already.
 
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