Heartbreaking video shows terrified autistic teen, 19, being goaded, stripped naked and restrained by NINE cops while begging them to 'listen to me' -

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Disturbing footage shows a terrified autistic 19-year-old desperately asking cops to listen to him before he repeatedly slammed his head on a cell door and died.

Isaiah Trammell, was taunted, belittled and threatened by nine guards as he begged for his medication at the Montgomery County Jail in Ohio. He was taken there after he was arrested following a mental health episode in March, 2023.

After fatally-injuring himself, he was taken to a hospital where he later died.

In surveillance videos obtained by The Columbus Dispatch, officers are seen telling Trammell he was 'ridiculous,' 'embarrassing' and 'acting like an a**.'

He was strapped into a restraint chair twice and threatened a third time with severe consequences if he did not calm down.

But Trammell responded to the threats by banging his head on the cell door and screaming: 'Let me out'

No-one listened as Trammell asked for his medications, a phone call and a blanket, according to the Dispatch.

Trammell was then rushed to hospital where he died three days later, with the coroner ruling it was suicide.

Trammell had been taken to jail after neighbors called police because he'd spent the night banging his head into a wall at his home.

He told officers banging his head on the wall was: 'The only way I know to get rid of the crazy in my head'.

Officers booked Trammell when they discovered he was wanted on an outstanding misdemeanor domestic violence warrant. He had allegedly been abusive to his sister and her husband.

Trammell's heartbroken mother Brandy Abner told The Columbus Patch that Trammel had a history of banging his head as a coping mechanism which often saw him end up in hospital.

She had not been aware of the outstanding warrant against her son.

'We always call when he begins to rage - it's a mental health call, not an "arrest me" call,' she said.

The 19-year-old told officers he suffered from ADHD and did not want to live.

Trammell was put on suicide watch, meaning he was trip-searched and isolated in a safe cell.

However, according to the Dispatch, he wasn't given a mattress, blanket or a suicide-resistant gown.

'He hated his body to be exposed and he kept telling them. He hated to be confined. Absolutely that would trigger him,' his mother said.

Officers allegedly kept him on the restraint chair for more than an hour, which is against Ohio standards for restraints.

The cops also continued to threaten to put Trammell into the chair a third time. The chair is supposed to be a last resort and used after providing medication.

When one officer said they couldn't use the restraint chair, another cop replied: 'Just put the chair in front of his fu***** cell so he stops. Give him a constant reminder.'

The Montgomery County Jail Coalition has called on the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections (ODRC) to investigate Trammell's death.

'Isaiah would be alive today had he been treated with dignity and respect in the jail by staff concerned for his health and well-being. Instead of listening to his cries for medication he was laughed at and ignored. We need accountability for what happened to him,' said Yvonne Currington, retired nurse and Jail Coalition member.

The Sheriff's office told Dayton Daily News on Monday that ODRC's Bureau of Detention found no 'deficiencies' in how the sheriff's office handled his death.

'Medical and mental health providers at the jail provided treatment to Trammell from the time he was booked into jail until he was transported to a local hospital,' said the sheriff’s office spokeswoman Christine Bevins.

'Although people facing charges for violent crimes shouldn’t be released to society to deal with, our community needs a medical facility with a lockdown unit that can better handle those who are in crisis.'
 
It is, it's just blunt and blatant if put in such terms, unlike what you're doing, which is poking a beehive and then making shit about you.
I wasn’t making it about me though. I actually don’t care whether abortion is qualified as “eugenics” or no. I just think such a decision should go to the individuals who are going to be raising the child rather than the state. That can be asking for trouble really quickly.
 
I wasn’t making it about me though. I actually don’t care whether abortion is qualified as “eugenics” or no. I just think such a decision should go to the individuals who are going to be raising the child rather than the state. That can be asking for trouble really quickly.

But you also said:

And this is why abortion should be legal. People with a genetic predisposition of severe mental illnesses should not be having children
Emphasis mine.

So, basically, your position is "women instead of the state should practice eugenics according to your opinion of mental illness and predisposition if any can be established" - is this correct?
 
the system really, really, really fails to deal with people who need to be managed
Indeed. And they cannot be managed within or by the community.
after we manage to not kill them
He killed himself.
I'm advocating for something a bit more like adult day care
It's called "prison". We already have it.
The alternative is spending more money on cleaning up their messes and the criminal justice system.
That's an alternative. Hanging is quick and cheap, although I would advocate for slavery and work gangs.
I can’t imagine what Hell this man was going through and having the last moments of your life be this is harrowing.
He did it to himself, and we don't care. Society is fatigued by all these so-called autists and other violent shitbags.
I guarantee you his family is not-so-secretly relieved at having this burden removed from their lives.
A little white ago, I read an article by an autistic man who was in prison and, sadly, his observations weren't even surprising:
Yes, we should unquestioningly accept stories told by inmates, who aren't at all widely known to be chronic liars.

I really hate the clickbaity titles they use for these sorts of articles: "Heartbreaking video". No, nigger, no, it is not "heartbreaking". I am not a woman and am not so easily manipulated by your sensationalist, emotional garbage. What I see is yet another coddled burden to society doing his damnedest to continue to be a huge nuisance and a danger to others. So, fuck him.
 
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So, basically, your position is "women instead of the state should practice eugenics according to your opinion of mental illness and predisposition if any can be established" - is this correct
I think nowadays there are medications that can help most people with mental illnesses live perfectly normal lives, however there is always going to be those who aren’t able to get help. I think these people need to be institutionalized, and tbh I wouldn’t be against sterilization for those with significantly debilitating mental illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia. I just don’t think people who are already born should be killed by the state.

And yeah, I’m pro-choice. Up to a term limit.
 
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I wouldn’t be against sterilization for those with significantly debilitating mental illnesses.

Oh?

Most of the posters in this sub-forum are sick fucks who actually do subscribe to Nazi ideology.

Seems you're one of them.





OK Erika.
 
If someone is literally crazy, we tend to try to control their behavior and don't hold them criminally accountable as we would a sane person. We also tend to have allowances for people in altered mental states.

Hypothetically, if your mom was alive, and you cared for her, and I slapped her in the face, you'd attack me if you were able to. Any reasonable cop would not arrest, any reasonable DA would not prosecute, and any reasonable Judge would say "GTFO my courtroom you faggot." Any reasonable governor would pardon.

Strictly speaking, we don't have, in law, "RodgerDodger was rightfully pissed off and furious that a kiwi farmer slapped his mom and picked a fight because it is unreasonable to expect the average person to have perfect self control". We just have human beings who are supposed to grasp empathy and theory of mind.

If you would give yourself that pass, I think we can use a third brain cell and suggest that sperg who was having a breakdown, and was apparently schizophrenic, needed to be managed accordingly, and that it is certainly unacceptable to kill anyone through negligence.

I'm sure your mom is a wonderful person, so please forgive the hypothetical.
So many wonderful thoughts and compassion here. I am honestly asking, how many times have you been attacked by someone like this? How many times have you had to treat the damage they have done? "We must treat them with compassion" no sorry. FUCK YOU! I spent a career treating the blood, broken bones, stab wounds and wreckage they often leave in their wake. There is no good answer. There is no "Compassionate Caring Way To Resolve This". Because as a society, as a people we really don't have a way to deal with this short of medicating them forcefully to the point of near coma. Should he have been arrested? Probably yes. His mother certainly knew he had outstanding warrants for assaulting her other child. Was she seeing he was taking his medicine? Did she take any action after that assault to get him help? Or did she simply leave a human time bomb ticking until he became somebody else's problem again? Should he have died? Ideally no. He should have been doped up. And then what? What comes next?

The cops could not simply take him to the nut hut because he had an outstanding assault warrant. Most psyche ER's or facilities will not accept under those circumstances. (and even attempting it will tie up 2 Cops and 2 EMT's at a minimum for 6 hours. Before the Shrink wanders in, reads the cover sheet without ever looking at the perp/patient and declares "there is nothing wrong with him, take him elsewhere!".) Trust me if it was as simple as "Bring the Crazy Guy to the Nut Hut" the cops would be all for it. Because they don't like dealing with this anymore than anybody else does. They can't keep them restrained. They can't sedate them.

So once again, what is the safe treatment path. For this guy, and everybody around him?
 
Trammell had been taken to jail after neighbors called police because he'd spent the night banging his head into a wall at his home.
His death could easily be attributed to the injuries he had already inflicted on himself. If he had been bashing his head for hours on end he probably already had done some serious damage and that accumulation led to the final instance at the jail.
 
So many wonderful thoughts and compassion here. I am honestly asking, how many times have you been attacked by someone like this? How many times have you had to treat the damage they have done?
The law is supposed to be impartial and dispassionate.

"We must treat them with compassion" no sorry. FUCK YOU!
OK

I spent a career treating the blood, broken bones, stab wounds and wreckage they often leave in their wake. There is no good answer. There is no "Compassionate Caring Way To Resolve This".
If you're this burned out, why are you weighing in on this? You clearly cannot have a dispassionate, professional take on this.

Because as a society, as a people we really don't have a way to deal with this short of medicating them forcefully to the point of near coma.
Citation needed. Institutions exist. You don't actually have to medicate people that far. Unless something drastically changed recently? Please show me.

Should he have been arrested? Probably yes. His mother certainly knew he had outstanding warrants for assaulting her other child.
And yet didn't bother calling the cops for the warrant on her own son despite having the other kid present. Let's not gloss over that. It undermines how dangerous you're painting this skinny dead kid to be.

Was she seeing he was taking his medicine? Did she take any action after that assault to get him help? Or did she simply leave a human time bomb ticking until he became somebody else's problem again? Should he have died? Ideally no. He should have been doped up. And then what? What comes next?
More slippery slopes. Maybe he'd have been Hitler 2.0 and married @Cherry Eyed Hamster to start eugenics and even shot himself to prove his point in the 40s.

The cops could not simply take him to the nut hut because he had an outstanding assault warrant.
Cops take people to hospitals before being processed for warrants and charges all the time. Someone wanted for murder who has gunshot wounds goes to the hospital first. This was a skinny sperg who had a tard rage.

Most psyche ER's or facilities will not accept under those circumstances.
So PsychERs won't do their job with difficult cases?

(and even attempting it will tie up 2 Cops and 2 EMT's at a minimum for 6 hours. Before the Shrink wanders in, reads the cover sheet without ever looking at the perp/patient and declares "there is nothing wrong with him, take him elsewhere!".)
So the system is flawed, therefore another part of the system should kill him?

Trust me if it was as simple as "Bring the Crazy Guy to the Nut Hut" the cops would be all for it.
Uh huh. Or, perhaps, the system is broken and has no real procedures in place.

Because they don't like dealing with this anymore than anybody else does. They can't keep them restrained. They can't sedate them.

So once again, what is the safe treatment path. For this guy, and everybody around him?
A mental hospital.
 
Would you clarify how you wish to compel sterilization for people you feel are too significantly debilitated?
Through the consent of the guardian looking over the individual and medical professionals who assess said individual. It would have to for a pretty significant illness where the person doesn’t possess the mental acumen to make decisions that won’t endanger themselves and others. I worked with the severely mentally ill for a long time and while it’s illegal to “sterilize” them where I am, their guardians were forcing them to take birth control or endure harsh medical treatments that would keep them from getting pregnant. It would be better if said person were sterile to begin with.

I just know that state euthanasia for the mentally ill would quickly lead to a slippery slope of encompassing more groups of people until one of a small handful of groups are favored over everyone else. Look what’s been happening with Canada and MAID.
 
Through the consent of the guardian looking over the individual. It would have to for a pretty significant illness where the person doesn’t possess the mental acumen to make decisions that won’t endanger themselves and others. I worked with the severely mentally ill for a long time and while it’s illegal to “sterilize” them where I am, their guardians were forcing them to take birth control or endure harsh medical treatments that would keep them from getting pregnant. It would be better if said person were sterile to begin with.

So who appoints this guardian and who does the guardian actually work for? One man's Erbgesundheitsgericht is another's "Behavioral Health Services."

I just know that state euthanasia for the mentally ill would quickly lead to a slippery slope of encompassing more groups of people until one of a small handful of groups are favored over everyone else. Look what’s been happening with Canada and MAID.

Just like how we're forcing BC and 'procedures' to sterilize them now?

That's eugenics!
 
So who appoints this guardian and who does the guardian actually work for? One man's Erbgesundheitsgericht is another's "Behavioral Health Services."
Through the same methods one goes through to become a person’s power of attourney or legal guardian: they’re appointed by the court and a petition must be filed.
Just like how we're forcing BC and 'procedures' to sterilize them now?

That's eugenics!
So let me ask you this: how do you want the state euthanasia program to work? Is there a list of mental illnesses that one must be exhibiting behaviors of in order to be killed? Are babies born to mentally ill parents killed after they’re born?
 
Through the same methods one goes through to become a person’s power of attourney or legal guardian: they’re appointed by the court and a petition must be filed.

So the state.

So let me ask you this: how do you want the state euthanasia program to work? Is there a list of mental illnesses that one must be exhibiting behaviors of in order to be killed? Are babies born to mentally ill parents killed after they’re born?

I don't. I was trying to make a point of where you were going being the same thing. You seem OK with it as long as it's dressed up right.
 
So PsychERs won't do their job with difficult cases?
Your ignorant compassionate ravings are mostly gaslighting and false assumptions. But this one displays true ignorance. No most Psyche ER's will not accept or deal with VIOLENT cases. It's one of those little holes in the system. They also won't take them while they are on drugs, alcohol, or if the dipshit barely English speaking 3rd world shrink is having a bad day or wants to knock off early. But No Violent types is a big one. God forbid you bring the lunatik in restrained. It's either "take those off or take him elsewhere". (I will admit to having seen the simple Karmic pleasure of the violent lunatic leaping over the desk to attack the moronic shrink as soon as the cops popped the cuffs, on more than one occasion.)

Look most Psyche Er's are attached to actual ER's. They are just a locked hallway with a couple of rooms down next to the ER. They are staffed by Hospital Psych Staff. Nurses, orderlies, etc. They have no capacity to deal with actual violent lunatics. The psych ER's attached to dedicated Psych facilities, with few exceptions, tend to be much much worse. But nobody wants to deal with psychotic violent retards. Because there is no good way to deal with them. And any attempts to do so will get you hurt or sued.

Have you ever actually encountered somebody like this in the flesh? In the real world? The only option that works is Veterinary Tranquilizers dosed somewhere between Horse and elephant. But we are right back to Lawsuit Territory. And please don't bemoan the loss of the Asylum's back in the 80's. They were places of horror.
 
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