Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts

If you belong to TEC when the Anglican Ordinariate and Western Rite Orthodoxy exist, you get what you asked for and furthermore, what you deserve.

Rev. Tamra Tucker

This dyke can play dress up all she wants, she will never be a real priest, and every "liturgy" she presides over is a demonic farce. That golden heifer of a drag queen is actually a great addition- it clears up any confusion about what is going on and who is being worshiped.



"Ms. Penny Cost"

https://www.mspennycost.com/

All About Ms. Penny Cost​

From the Closet to the Stage
Ms. Penny Cost wasn't always the Church Potluck Queen she is today! It was only in high school, after her first boyfriend invited her to church, that she even became religious. While undergoing the process of coming out, while losing connection with family members, while floundering through high school and thinking she would never be enough, she found something new... She found a church that told her a message that would stick with her for the rest of her life, "No matter who you are or what you have done, You, right here and now, are enough... this is all you will ever have to be".

Feeling energized by the Divine, and because she is a nerd at heart, Penny (as Isaac Simmons, her alter ego) dived deep into the study of faith, explored the discourse of theology, and discovered the sins of the Church's history... and yet, she found a light of hope. In her studies, she stumbled upon United Methodist Doctrine: a beautiful understanding of Grace, a history of reformation, and a desire to right the wrongs of injustice, oppression, and exclusion.

Penny fell in love with the United Methodist Church. It became her home. When Isaac announced his calling to Ordained Ministry, his home church, Hope United Methodist Church, celebrated and encouraged his discernment. Isaac Simmons and by extension, Ms. Penny Cost, became one of the first and few openly Queer persons to be certified as a Candidate for Ordained ministry within the Illinois Great Rivers Conference of the UMC, and reportedly, the first Drag queen to receive that tittle in the World.

Her Drag is rooted in the joy filled reclamation of Spirituality for and with Queer folks. Her mission is to break down the false duality which, for too long, has stated that Queerness and Faith can not be combined. She is here to say that YOU, right here and right now, are enough. There is nothing that you will ever have to do to experience the Love, Affirmation and Celebration which ever flows from the Divine.

 

[Battlefield42]

peace. also, autism isn't a bad thing.

Also, i was already transitioning when I joined.

TOTAL TRANNY DEATH

 

[Stan]

If you belong to TEC when the Anglican Ordinariate and Western Rite Orthodoxy exist, you get what you asked for and furthermore, what you deserve.

You hate female ordination as a concept, we get it. “You women voted for this” etc. (except we didn’t, and women have been priests in the Episcopal Church since like the 1970s… this drag queen story hour stuff is a very recent addition.)

95%+ of our parishes are not like this at all, they’re normal. Only the Cathedral gets away with this faggotry because it doesn’t need a regular congregation to survive and there’s a bunch of DEI ministers paid to come up with this crap. I don’t even think The Crossing has much of a regular congregation - just whatever homeless people were wandering around nearby looking for free coffee and cookies after services.

 

[and I must scream]

I don't know guys, I see people here talk about the tide turning, the beginning of the end of the trans madness and about how the Alpha generation is less tolerant toward this crap but I'm not so optimistic. I think the trans lobby or whatever it is is still strong, it still has a strong grip on psychology and medical fields (not to mention social sciences) and in the media and that it would be years, probably at least two decades or so, until this shit will get completely out of fashion and will be recognized as the madness and medical scandal that it is.

Part of the reason I think that is that in fits of masochism I go sometimes to videos of famous and beloved trans people like Jammidodger, and the amount of absolutely brainwashed people - mostly young and even very young, but here and there there are also more elderly folks - is staggering.

Another part is that I actually go and look at clinical and academical resources sometimes, and the picture is quite grim. I currently have access to UpToDate, which many doctors use and is considered quite reliable as far as I know (my own doctor once checked something in it when I had an appointment with her). They still list the affirming approach the preferred approach to "support transgender or gender-diverse (TGD) children and adolescents". I copied here just the part about the mental health intervention, from an article titled "Management of transgender and gender-diverse children and adolescents":

Spoiler: Management of transgender and gender-diverse children and adolescents - Mental health interventions

TYPES OF INTERVENTIONS
Mental health interventions
Mental health approaches — There are several mental health approaches to support transgender or gender-diverse (TGD) children and adolescents explore their gender identity and find a gender role that is comfortable [10,21]. Treatment options may be influenced by family expectations, cultural differences, opinions of health professionals, insurance coverage, and availability of services.
The specific approach for a given child or adolescent is individualized. The process may or may not involve recommendations for a change in gender expression or body modification; what helps to alleviate gender dysphoria in one person may differ from what helps to alleviate it in another.

● Preferred approach – Affirming approaches are preferred; they are recommended by many professional organizations. (See 'Society guideline links' below.)

• Affirming – Affirming approaches focus on gender identity/body congruence and actively promote exploration of gender development and self-definition within a safe setting [5,11,22,23].
A fundamental concept of this approach is that gender diversity is not a mental illness. It is inappropriate to pathologize the child or adolescent's behaviors or to assign a diagnosis. With the help of affirming psychotherapy, some individuals can integrate their gender-diverse feelings into their birth-designated gender; others may be able to alleviate their gender dysphoria through changes in gender role and expression [10,24]. (See 'Social transition' below.)
The authors of this topic review support affirming approaches for TGD youth – from medical and mental health professionals, as well as parents/caregivers. The growing medical evidence supports careful listening, thoughtful discussions, and patient-centered approaches to gender exploration.
● Approaches that are not recommended – Approaches that are not recommended and potentially harmful include wait-and-see approaches, redirection, and reparative therapy [5].

• Wait-and-see – The wait-and-see approach (also called watchful waiting) involves waiting to see if the child's gender identity will change as the child gets older [11]. Caregivers who take this approach may allow different-gender play and clothing within the home or support both masculine and feminine activities as the child explores their interests in other social settings.
The wait-and-see approach assumes that gender is binary and becomes fixed at a certain age; it pathologizes gender diversity and fluidity [5]. It is distinguished from following the child's lead, an affirming approach that allows the child to present in the gender role that feels correct and moves at a pace determined by the child. (See 'General suggestions' below.)

• Redirection – Some mental health therapists encourage caregivers to use positive reinforcement to try to "redirect" children toward behavior that is more typical of their birth-designated sex or less gender specific. The goal of redirection is to eliminate gender-diverse desires and expressions over time [25]. This approach is not recommended because negative reinforcement (eg, shaming the child for gender-diverse expression) has substantial negative mental and social health consequences.

• Reparative therapy – Reparative therapy (also called conversion therapy) claims to be able to "cure" a transgender identity. It is still practiced in certain religious and conservative communities. This approach was initially used in the 1970s [26,27]. Reparative therapy is considered unhelpful and potentially harmful by most professional organizations, including the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration [5,10,28-34]. In the United States, several states, counties, and cities ban reparative therapy. The Movement Advancement Project provides a map of localities that ban reparative therapy.

I copied the references so you could see what they supposedly based this on:

Spoiler: The relevant references

5. Rafferty J, COMMITTEE ON PSYCHOSOCIAL ASPECTS OF CHILD AND FAMILY HEALTH, COMMITTEE ON ADOLESCENCE, SECTION ON LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDER HEALTH AND WELLNESS. Ensuring Comprehensive Care and Support for Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents. Pediatrics 2018; 142.

10. World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH). Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender Diverse People, Version 8.

11. Olson J, Forbes C, Belzer M. Management of the transgender adolescent. Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 2011; 165:171.

21. Vance SR Jr, Ehrensaft D, Rosenthal SM. Psychological and medical care of gender nonconforming youth. Pediatrics 2014; 134:1184.

22. Hill DB, Menvielle E, Sica KM, Johnson A. An affirmative intervention for families with gender variant children: parental ratings of child mental health and gender. J Sex Marital Ther 2010; 36:6.

23. Bonifacio JH, Maser C, Stadelman K, Palmert M. Management of gender dysphoria in adolescents in primary care. CMAJ 2019; 191:E69.

24. Tuerk C. Considerations for affirming gender nonconforming boys and their families: new approaches, new challenges. Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am 2011; 20:767.

25. Gender Identity Disorder in Young Boys: A parent- and peer-based treatment protocol. Clin Child Psychol Psychiatry 2002; 7:360.

26. Rekers GA, Lovaas OI. Behavioral treatment of deviant sex-role behaviors in a male child. J Appl Behav Anal 1974; 7:173.

27. Rekers GA, Lovaas OI, Low B. The behavioral treatment of a "transsexual" preadolescent boy. J Abnorm Child Psychol 1974; 2:99.

28. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Ending Conversion Therapy: Supporting and Affirming LGBTQ Youth. HHS Publication No. (SMA) 15-4928, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Rockville, MD 2015.

29. Streed CG Jr, Anderson JS, Babits C, Ferguson MA. Changing Medical Practice, Not Patients - Putting an End to Conversion Therapy. N Engl J Med 2019; 381:500.

30. Ryan C, Toomey RB, Diaz RM, Russell ST. Parent-Initiated Sexual Orientation Change Efforts With LGBT Adolescents: Implications for Young Adult Mental Health and Adjustment. J Homosex 2020; 67:159.

31. Turban JL, Beckwith N, Reisner SL, Keuroghlian AS. Association Between Recalled Exposure to Gender Identity Conversion Efforts and Psychological Distress and Suicide Attempts Among Transgender Adults. JAMA Psychiatry 2020; 77:68.

32. American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. Conversion Therapy. Available at: https://www.aacap.org/aacap/Policy_Statements/2018/Conversion_Therapy.aspx (Accessed on October 26, 2022).

33. Green AE, Price-Feeney M, Dorison SH, Pick CJ. Self-Reported Conversion Efforts and Suicidality Among US LGBTQ Youths and Young Adults, 2018. Am J Public Health 2020; 110:1221.

34. Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine. Recommendations for Promoting the Health and Well-being of Sexual and Gender-diverse Adolescents Through Supportive Families and Affirming Support Networks. J Adolesc Health 2022; 70:692.

Details about this article - when it was updated, who wrote it:

Spoiler: Details about the article

Contributor disclosures

Johanna Olson-Kennedy, MD
Disclosure: No relevant financial relationship(s) with ineligible companies to disclose.
Michelle Forcier, MD, MPH
Disclosure: Consultant/Advisory Boards: American Academy of Pediatrics [LGBTQ Health and Wellness Executive Committee]; ConferMED [Clinical consultant]; Folx Health [Protocols, library articles, training]; OutCare [LGBTQ+ health care]; Planned Parenthood [Clinical services].
Other Financial Interest: Springer [Pediatric gender care book royalties].
All of the relevant financial relationships listed have been mitigated.

David Brent, MD
Disclosure: Grant/Research/Clinical Trial Support: AFSP [Suicide prevention]; NIMH [Child and adolescent psychiatry]; Once Upon a Time Foundation [Suicide prevention]; The Beckwith Institute [Healthcare grants for patient care]. Consultant/Advisory Boards: AFSP [Suicide prevention]; Healthwise [Consumer health education]; Klingenstein Third Generation Foundation [Child and adolescent mental health].
Other Financial Interest: eRT Inc [Royalties – Clinical assessment, electronic self-rated version of the C-SSRS]; Guilford Press [Royalties – Depression and suicidality]; University of Pittsburgh [Algorithm development, screening tool, healthcare intervention – Suicidality]; University of Pittsburgh, Ksana Health [App development – Suicidality].
All of the relevant financial relationships listed have been mitigated.

Mitchell E Geffner, MD
Disclosure: Grant/Research/Clinical Trial Support: Adrenas [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]; Diurnal [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]; Neurocrine Biosciences [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]; Novo Nordisk [Growth]; Spruce Biosciences [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia].
Consultant/Advisory Boards: Adrenas [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]; Aeterna Zentaris [Growth]; Eton [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]; Neurocrine Biosciences [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]; Novo Nordisk [Growth]; Pfizer [Growth]; Spruce Biosciences [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia].
Speaker's Bureau: Eton [Congenital adrenal hyperplasia]. Other Financial Interest: McGraw-Hill textbook royalties [Pediatric endocrinology].
All of the relevant financial relationships listed have been mitigated.

Diane Blake, MD
Disclosure: No relevant financial relationship(s) with ineligible companies to disclose.

And I just want to make sure you haven't missed this map that was mentioned in the article:

Spoiler: 'Conversion "therapy" Laws' map - shows where "conversion therapy" is banned and where it is allowed in the USA and its territories

Fucking unbelievable. But the website itself is very useful if you haven't encountered it and want to know where things are standing in regards to "anti-trans laws" and the like. Go to "EQUALITY MAPS" and "choose an issue" and you can see many more maps like that, very useful.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

95%+ of our parishes are not like this at all, they’re normal.

I don't know why I expected a journalist to be non-delusional.

You have Vicky Gene Robinson and noted atheist bishop John Shelby Spong. It's not a Christian church, it's a club for rich inbred liberals.

 

[Stan]

I don't know why I expected a journalist to be non-delusional.

You have Vicky Gene Robinson and noted atheist bishop John Shelby Spong. It's not a Christian church, it's a club for rich inbred liberals.

I don't see why you're being such a prick.
I've given you heartfelt advice before when you were having problems with your faith. Since you need to shit on my religion to feel better about yours, because you hate women's ordination SO MUCH, and you can't extend to me the same grace I extend to you, it would seem you have a ways to go in your faith formation.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I don't see why you're being such a prick.
I've given you heartfelt advice before when you were having problems with your faith. Since you need to shit on my religion to feel better about yours, because you hate women's ordination SO MUCH, and you can't extend to me the same grace I extend to you, it would seem you have a ways to go in your faith formation.

Being lectured about "faith formation" by an Episcopal girlboss priest is like being lectured about chastity by....an Episcopal girlboss priest.

 

[Pedophobe]

see you on the la metro.

Lol you come back every six months so you can dramatically flounce off again.

Smithers, give him the plague plaque.

 

[AI generated waifu]

You hate female ordination as a concept, we get it. “You women voted for this” etc. (except we didn’t, and women have been priests in the Episcopal Church since like the 1970s… this drag queen story hour stuff is a very recent addition.)

95%+ of our parishes are not like this at all, they’re normal. Only the Cathedral gets away with this faggotry because it doesn’t need a regular congregation to survive and there’s a bunch of DEI ministers paid to come up with this crap. I don’t even think The Crossing has much of a regular congregation - just whatever homeless people were wandering around nearby looking for free coffee and cookies after services.

To be fair, a drag queen and a priest have a lot in common, being men in long, beautiful feminine clothing preaching the good message.

 

[Stan]

peace. also, autism isn't a bad thing.

Also, i was already transitioning when I joined.

Don't take yourself too seriously.

Good things about Trannies:

1. They make Vegans look normal and understated
2. Err... Err... Dunno

They make regular gays look normal

To be fair, a drag queen and a priest have a lot in common, being men in long, beautiful feminine clothing preaching the good message.

I want to YWNBAP that drag queen preacher tho, her speech on Genesis made no sense.

 

[AI generated waifu]

I want to YWNBAP that drag queen preacher tho, her speech on Genesis made no sense.

Preach

 

[Wallace]

Didn't know where else to put this thread.

Where does the "Q" in "LGBTQ" come from?

Most people know it stands for "queer." But you might not know just how radical the term really is.

To understand the modern "LGBTQ" movement, we have to understand "queer theory"—a revolutionary movement born in the 1990s.

"Queer," of course, was originally used as a pejorative for gays and lesbians. It was "reclaimed" as a positive identity in the late 1980s and early 1990s, with the creation of radical groups like Queer Nation.

But its meaning remains somewhat ambiguous to this day.



The institutionalization of the term is generally traced back to the militant LGBT group Queer Nation, founded in New York in 1990.

Queer Nation's manifesto called for "a moratorium on straight marriage, on babies, on public displays of affection among the opposite sex."



"Straight people will not do this voluntarily and so they must be forced into it," the Queer Nation manifesto wrote of LGBT rights. "Straights must be frightened into it. Terrorized into it. Fear is the most powerful motivator...Straight people are your enemy."

All this coincided with the rise of "queer theory," a radical conceptualization of LGBT identity that placed itself at odds with the more mainstream, "assimilationist" wing of the LGBT movement.

Queer theory sought to subvert mainstream culture rather than join it.

Drawing on postmodern and poststructuralist thinkers like Michel Foucault, queer theorists posited that sexuality and gender itself were "social constructs," and attacked what they called "heteronormativity"—i.e., the acceptance of heterosexuality as a social "norm."

To take one example: More "conservative" LGBT activists argued for "assimilating" into mainstream society through causes such as gay marriage. But queer theorists argued for abolishing the institution of marriage altogether—the entire mainstream culture needed to go.

They made the same case against gay adoption, gay military service, and various other tenets of the mainstream "gay rights" movement.

Instead, the transgender theorist Mattilda Sycamore wrote, they should push for "new ways of loving [and] lusting for...one another."



These ideas may have seemed fringe at the time—even now, they might seem distant from all the neutered, corporate "Gay Pride" rhetoric.

But by the end of the 1990s, they had already entered the mainstream, with shows like Queer as Folk.

As one history of the term notes:



There is a reason that the "Q" was added to the "LGBTQ" acronym—it is a very explicit, and unambiguous, affirmation of the radicalism of queer theory. When activists use the term "queer" today, that set of beliefs and political objectives are what they're referencing.

"Queer theory and politics necessarily celebrate transgression," wrote the queer theorist Jay Stewart.

We should take them at their word: The modern LGBTQ movement isn't about assimilation. It is about subversion—dismantling mainstream norms in favor of radical ones.

 

[Bumbling Idiot]

Nobody seems to agree on what "queer" is

Is it a specific thing? Can you been Q and another letter at the same time?

Do you self identify yourself as Q or is there a criteria you need to meet?

Is it just anyone who feels a bit "different", maybe left out, so includes Spicy Straights who are in regular hetro relationships but want to feel edgy?

Does Q represent the entire LGBTQIA2S+? The rainbow umbrella that somehow incorporated the disabled, prostitutes and those born with incomplete genitals?

What's the difference between Q and +? Or Q and B?

Or can you be Gay without being Queer? Or does being anything under the rainbow

Is Q a binary thing or can you be (just) a bit Q?

But nobody dares question what the Emperor is wearing

 

[Jacques1194]

People talk about how trannies always suicide bait in order to get what they want but to be honest its the LGBTQ community as a whole. I keep seeing self proclaim queer people talk about how every show nowadays should have LGBT rep because otherwise gay or trans kids will think there's something wrong with them and they'll commit suicide as a result. Does anyone seriously believe this? I've never seen non whites ever pull that shit whenever there's no black or brown character in a show. Not saying they don't complain, but its never some emotional argument like "Black kids will kill themselves if they dont see a black character!" Do people really have to see themselves in a character otherwise they'll have suicidal thoughts? Even when it comes to autistic kids I've never seen people with autism ever feeling alone in the world if none of the characters had autism. The LGBTQ as a whole has become an extremely toxic community that is causing more mental health problems to children than the anti LGBTQ crowd.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Do people really have to see themselves in a character otherwise they'll have suicidal thoughts? Even when it comes to autistic kids I've never seen people with autism ever feeling alone in the world if none of the characters had autism. The LGBTQ as a whole has become an extremely toxic community that is causing more mental health problems to children than the anti LGBTQ crowd

That's because all the autistic people super invested in tv shows are part of the LGBTQ community and that's why a lot of them threaten to kill themselves over fictional characters.

 

[Wallace]

That's because all the autistic people super invested in tv shows are part of the LGBTQ have been groomed into the TQ community and that's why a lot of them threaten to kill themselves over fictional characters.

Fixed that for you.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Fucking Pride month.
June 1, first email of the day PRIDE
And the whole thing is driven by one manic pooner who writes enthusiastic!! emails like a 1950s housewife who’s just joined the board of a worthy charity in the hope it will earn her husband’s respect and the companionship she has sorely lacked while raising his three fine sons.

So now I have a “not mandatory but akshully mandatory” dei training session to learn about microaggressions, isms and phobias.

Goddamn pooners! 30 years ago she would’ve been content dominating the local lesbian bowling tournament.

 

[pursuitsnail]

People talk about how trannies always suicide bait in order to get what they want but to be honest its the LGBTQ community as a whole. I keep seeing self proclaim queer people talk about how every show nowadays should have LGBT rep because otherwise gay or trans kids will think there's something wrong with them and they'll commit suicide as a result. Does anyone seriously believe this? I've never seen non whites ever pull that shit whenever there's no black or brown character in a show. Not saying they don't complain, but its never some emotional argument like "Black kids will kill themselves if they dont see a black character!" Do people really have to see themselves in a character otherwise they'll have suicidal thoughts? Even when it comes to autistic kids I've never seen people with autism ever feeling alone in the world if none of the characters had autism. The LGBTQ as a whole has become an extremely toxic community that is causing more mental health problems to children than the anti LGBTQ crowd.

No, I think it's more attention seeking behavior. They don't just need to be seen, they need to see themselves being seen as reflected in media so that everyone is always seeing them. It feeds their craving for affirmation, their grandiosity, and their desire to be portrayed not as isolated weirdos who are hiding their issues behind a fashionable identity.

In a way, they're kind of like Tinkerbell: they disappear if they aren't believed in hard enough. Sort of like how every time you don't start a kid on the path to chemical and surgical castration, and trans person is killed.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Has there ever been any record of a child killing himself or herself because they didn't see themselves reflected in cartoons?

Maybe kids should be given other reasons to have self-worth that isn't based on a media franchise designed to make someone money.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Where does the "Q" in "LGBTQ" come from?

I swear in the early 2010s the Q stood for "questioning", the A also stood for "allies" not "asexuals/aromantics/allosexuals/whatever else it is these days". That has just been straight up memory holed. It's incredible.