Serious LGBT Discussion

[Back To School]

Well, it is a sin only if you act on it, if you act upon homosexual desires God will forgive, people have done far worse things. People struggle with these things, that is called growing up. You mature, find yourself in this world, see what sticks, perhaps it is because of a porn-addition that you have this desire, perhaps it is but a fetish, i have no clue, i don't know enough about you to know. But nevertheless i believe that if you truly want to change yourself, if you want to have a family, find a woman to love it is still possible.

Maybe go to a psychiatrist, talk with your parents about it, maybe go to church even! No clue where you live and if that is accessible to you, but anyhow... As i've said maybe some girl will eventually approach you, and maybe your love to her will outgrow these desires. Of course you don't need to remove your gay friends or sister from your life, you love these people on a basis of these are people you know and trust, but perhaps they do something i don't like, but that's fine, we are all different.

I’m afraid that no matter what I do, I’ll forever be unable to achieve arousal or feel romantic feelings over a woman - it is what it is. My homosexuality, whether it stemmed from my CSA/exposure to porn/exposure to gay media/something going wrong in the womb, will forever stay with me. I’ve spent over half a decade trying to make myself at least bisexual by sleeping with girls and trying to date them but it’s never worked out. I can’t see that ever changing unfortunately.

When it comes to not cutting off my gay friends and family, it honestly feels like the only option. For instance, I would cut off someone if they were knee-deep in an opiate addiction as someone who has recovered from opiate addiction myself. I can’t be close with a homosexual while I’m trying to overcome my own homosexual condition. Of course if an emergency ever arises (like one of them gets ill or suicidal and needs me) I’ll speak with them, but I think for now it’s best if I remove the homosexuals from my life given that their condition and the way they’re not attempting to fix it is going to only further enable me to think it’s okay to be a homosexual.

 

[Fougaro]

I don’t WANT that life for myself. I don’t WANT to live a life full of degeneracy and be a genetic dead end and make my parents look like an even bigger embarrassment and fuck-up than they already are if people know they have more than one gay kid. I want to be normal and I want to be well without this sickness plaguing me and preventing me from having a normal and good life.

I promise you that posting on the Kiwi Farms is a much bigger embarrassment to your parents than your homosexuality ever could hope to be.

Look, if there's an aspect of you that you can't change, embracing it is all you have left. You can be in denial and force yourself to pretend being something you're not, but that's tranny logic at the end of the day.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

The last thing I would want to do is continue to engage in homosexuality or try to convince myself it’s okay. It’s sad that my “come to Jesus moment” has to entail me removing all my gay friends and my gay sister from my life, but I don’t want them to influence me to think my perversions are okay.

You're going to destroy your life to advance an internet stranger's ideology which is fundamentally opposed to your existence. Strangers on the Internet are psyop-ing you into faking masculinity by playing gory shooters and paying to smash stuff like a middle-aged woman. Someone telling you that never masturbating or smashing shit is masculine would be rightly laughed at in any real-world space. They are Internet losers who do not know what masculinity is and they are convincing you to do dumb shit for their own amusement. This would be comedic if it wasn't so sad. You are embarrassing yourself, your family and your friends by letting the Internet brainwash you. Stop reading 4chan and KiwiFarms.

The last thing I would want to do is continue to engage in homosexuality or try to convince myself it’s okay. It’s sad that my “come to Jesus moment” has to entail me removing all my gay friends and my gay sister from my life, but I don’t want them to influence me to think my perversions are okay.

You're cutting off your family in fear of being convinced that being gay is not an evil and miserable existence. I don't know what you did in the 6 years of being gay that made you this ashamed of it, but I can assure you that these behaviors are not exclusive to gay people. Straights are degenerates as well. Best you can do is simply not engage in these behaviors again instead. Becoming straight will not fix this issue because being gay was not the source of the problem in the first place. Look at Nick Rekieta if you want an example of a straight degenerate.

> Self defeating lifestyle that at best, is comparable to being infertile, which is in of itself a disease or disorder.
> Non complimentary parings which leads to either hypersexuality or bed death with no in-between
> Greater correlation with other messed up "sexualities" and fetishes
> 3-7% of the population commits 25-40% of sexual violence against children, why?
> Greater amounts of STD infection, and even diseases spread near-exclusively by homosexuals, like AIDS and monkeypox, and the efforts of the mainstream media to cover this up.
> Greater amounts of correlating mental disorders and emotional disorders, which even studies admit that societal attitudes on homosexuality has a negligible impact on, meaning it doesn't get better even if society kisses your collective asses.
> Slippery slope plays out IRL immediately after gay marriage was forced on society in 2015.

This is a 4chan meme which I have seen multiple times already and you're letting it define your existence. Snap out of it. When it comes to fertility, you can adopt. There are children who desperately need good parents (for example Rekieta's kids). If it was good enough for Roman Emperors, it is good enough for you. I have no clue where the sexual violence statistics originally comes from. Best I can find is a 1992 study where 465 sex offenders were tested gyno- and androphilic responses in conversation and phallometric tests with a ratio of 20:1 found. As you probably can imagine, this is not representative for the general population. Statistics like this are picked up by journalists and Internet users to generate controversy and amusement. I know myself how easily scientific studies are misinterpreted by the general public with crazy conclusions as the results. In terms of STDs, drug use, education and race are even better predictors. If you want to be disgusted by groups at greater risk of STDs, you should also be disgusted by high school dropouts, meth addicts and blacks. As a gay man, you can simply use not engage in unsafe sex to avoid STDs. It's that easy. The greater amount of mental and emotional disorders is elevated by cases like you. Even with your friends, family and society accepting you as gay, you somehow convince yourself to repress in an unhealthy way. This still does not reflect on you badly as a person nor is it the case for other people suffering from disorders. The slippery slope is an American phenomenon which is being exported worldwide. The Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001 and it remains a functional society where the LGBT is not even part of the political discussions anymore. We are not a falling society where pedophiles and degenerates run rampant. Our biggest problem are traditionalist Muslims and British tourists abusing Ukrainian prostitutes. The consequences of the slippery slope are a feature of American culture as they have always been susceptible to social mania.

Also, since this is a meta discussion of the LGBT, this guy is a walking stereotype of a repressed gay ala Milo Yiannopoulos. He probability did some embarrassing stuff during his gay college days and now he is convinced that all homosexuals engage in even worse behaviors. Do not trust or encourage born-again gays.

 

[Fruttasecca]

The Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001 and it remains a functional society

You are a fucking faggot

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Wait, are you guys seriously encouraging the autistic faggot to embrace faggotry?

The guy's at least is self-conscious enough to realise how self-destructive the gay lifestyle is, and you all know positively how self-destructive it is, even if he's mislead about what to do about it is and you are all going reddit tranny on him to own the chuds

And then still have the gall to talk about posters with an agenda and trolls?

LOL

LMFAO even

What are you even doing in the farms to begin with?

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

I’m afraid that no matter what I do, I’ll forever be unable to achieve arousal or feel romantic feelings over a woman - it is what it is. My homosexuality, whether it stemmed from my CSA/exposure to porn/exposure to gay media/something going wrong in the womb, will forever stay with me. I’ve spent over half a decade trying to make myself at least bisexual by sleeping with girls and trying to date them but it’s never worked out. I can’t see that ever changing unfortunately.

Your self-hate comes from your fear of being rejected by society. It's the same as being a self-hating troon at this point.

In the same vein, you're going to end up killing yourself if you can't accept who you are and spend your whole life trying to be something you're not. If you're gay that's who you are. From your other posts you're just trying to indulge in the most "hypermasculine" behavior you can in hopes that it'll turn you straight. That's cope buddy.

Everyone has already told you this as lightly as possible, but if you're so desperate to not live life as a gay person, you're only going to arrive at one conclusion and it's not going to be good for you or anyone around you. You're going to miss out on being happy because you're just going to be miserable for letting your past circumstances control you. Decide your future without letting your homosexuality define yourself. I also think it's cope to blame it entirely on your CSA. Contrary to kiwi's beliefs, it's been proven that homosexuality isn't made like that.

Wait, are you guys seriously encouraging the autistic faggot to embrace faggotry?

The guy's at least is self-conscious enough to realise how self-destructive the gay lifestyle is, and you all know positively how self-destructive it is, even if he's mislead about what to do about it is and you are all going reddit tranny on him to own the chuds

And then still have the gall to talk about posters with an agenda and trolls?

As opposed to doing what? Telling him to kill himself? You were clearly born retarded but I won't shame you for that either.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

The Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001 and it remains a functional society where the LGBT is not even part of the political discussions anymore. We are not a falling society where pedophiles and degenerates run rampant. Our biggest problem are traditionalist Muslims and British tourists abusing Ukrainian prostitutes. The consequences of the slippery slope are a feature of American culture as they have always been susceptible to social mania.

Dude, imagine writing this with a straight face.

Fucking europeans, bro

LMFAO

This is your brain on Europe.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

if there's an aspect of you that you can't change, embracing it is all you have left

Reject sobriety, embrace cirrhosis of the liver.

I’ve spent over half a decade trying to make myself at least bisexual by sleeping with girls and trying to date them but it’s never worked out. I can’t see that ever changing unfortunately.

I will say, a half a decade REALLY isn't THAT long. I don't mean to be discouraging, but its true. Even if you truly NEVER bring back attraction to women, count escaping that spiral as a victory, because it truly is, ESPECIALLY in todays society.

I know its frustrating, but truly, allow yourself to relax, and give yourself credit for getting out of that. Most don't.

As opposed to doing what? Telling him to kill himself? You were clearly born retarded but I won't shame you for that either.

I don't see anyone asking him that, and this IS kiwi farms. Believe me, if someone wanted to tell him that, they would.

I will say, its ironic that "allies" really aren't accepting of someone WANTING to reject homosexuality.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

As opposed to doing what? Telling him to kill himself?

What's with the obsession with le 41% meme?

You know, you can, like, just understand that sex is not all that important and learn to live a celibate life.

That is, like, just an option, BRO.

There's no need to 24/7 self-flagellation either.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I will say, a half a decade REALLY isn't THAT long. I don't mean to be discouraging, but its true. Even if you truly NEVER bring back attraction to women, count escaping that spiral as a victory, because it truly is, ESPECIALLY in todays society.

I know its frustrating, but truly, allow yourself to relax, and give yourself credit for getting out of that. Most don't.

We also need to do away with the cultural meme that celibacy is the worst thing in the world. It isn't. That lie has done terrible damage to society, and to the self worth of anyone who hasn't had sex, even those who actively shun it. Doubtless there were many great individuals in history who have died virgins.

There is also a really small handful of people who make "mixed orientation" relationships work. There's even a small handful who find that very specific members of the opposite sex are "exceptions" to their sexual orientation.

However, it takes complete honesty before it begins, and not going into it with the expectation that it will fix you. Needless to say, most of these relationships are doomed to fail, so it's better to not try unless both parties are certain it can and will work.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

We also need to do away with the cultural meme that celibacy is the worst thing in the world. It isn't. That lie has done terrible damage to society, and to the self worth of anyone who hasn't had sex. Doubtless there were many great individuals in history who have died virgins.

Even if he failed to be celibate and ended sucking a cock from time to time, he's probably faring better than the Gayslut/Gaycel standard. The key word is 'trying'.

You can't lie to me, @Vingle has shown you your true colours and you know it. That's why I like the (non)fucker lol

 

[Fruttasecca]

In the same vein, you're going to end up killing yourself if you can't accept who you are and spend your whole life trying to be something you're not. If you're gay that's who you are. From your other posts you're just trying to indulge in the most "hypermasculine" behavior you can in hopes that it'll turn you straight. That's cope buddy.

Fucking groomer creep

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

I will say, its ironic that "allies" really aren't accepting of someone WANTING to reject homosexuality.

You can't reject your own sexuality. Kiwis are apparently gooners who think you can get off to anything as long as you have enough exposure to it, when attraction is explicitly decided by internal factors and not external ones.

That is, like, just an option, BRO.

Intimacy is very important to a lot of people. You're basically saying gay people are all supposed to accept they can never have intimacy, which is just outright homophobia.

Fucking groomer creep

This is a thread for serious discussion.

 

[Fruttasecca]

This is a thread for serious discussion.

Good point, so stop grooming users itt.

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

Good point, so stop grooming users itt.

You clearly don't even know what grooming is, so go read a book then come back to the thread.

It's HILARIOUS to me that people are trying to "help" someone undergo conversion therapy and you call me a groomer though.
Surprised no one said for @Back To School to go knock on Mike Pence's door yet.

 

[Tornado]

The nature of any error is that when it happens once, it becomes easy, and the easiness is the descent. That is what makes something a habit, it is a possession, and even if by great effort you can shave it down into a nub it will always be there. An alcoholic is always a five-minute drive from a bottle and they already have that door opened; there is no fully closing those doors. "Even what is healed, will always remain wounded." That is scar tissue.

Fortunately the inverse is also true, that what is wounded can always be healed. If you have the will to not be ruled by your passions, you are closer to freedom than you might even recognize. When it comes to anything like this, flight is the only solution, and you seem to have a mind for that already. Avoiding everything that might cause you to stumble is the only way forward. If you take this as seriously as the grave then it might not seem so strange to hear the wisdom of "tearing out your eye" when it causes you temptation. Everything that stands between you and peace is to be removed.

The passions stand against the powers of our reason like an unruly wife, which is only remedied with extreme austerity. Most of us are not challenged like that but for those that are, it is a pressing opportunity for virtue. Socrates chose to marry Xanthippe for that exact reason, because she was disobedient and hard to manage. For those here that didn't choose to bear the burden of same sex attraction, viewing it like your own Xanthippe may help when you choose to refuse her wishes and go to the Symposium despite her barbs.

However, for the tireless members of the Gay Defense Force who wander into threads like a beat cop in order to write up big blocks of female-coded social flagellation: you are going to be rewarded according to their works, and you are not going to like it very much at all when that happens.

 

[Fruttasecca]

You clearly don't even know what grooming is, so go read a book then come back to the thread.

It's HILARIOUS to me that people are trying to "help" someone undergo conversion therapy and you call me a groomer though.

You are trying to convince him that his own feelings are untrustworthy and that everybody wants to harm him, except for you. You know exactly what he feels unlike everybody else and know exactly what he should do and if he doesnt he will kill himself and be miserable.
You are a groomer weirdo but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you arent doing it on purpose, its just how your mind works because you are a faggot and thats just how your "relationships" work.

Surprised no one said for @Back To School to go knock on Mike Pence's door yet.

You should hit up @Omori Boy for some boob pics LMAO

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

You are trying to convince him that his own feelings are untrustworthy and that everybody wants to harm him, except for you. You know exactly what he feels unlike everybody else and know exactly what he should do and if he doesnt he will kill himself and be miserable.
You are a groomer weirdo but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you arent doing it on purpose, its just how your mind works because you are a faggot and thats just how your "relationships" work.

I'm actually going to go as far as to say that "conversion therapy" is based on one of the same fallacies that the gay rights movement operates on:

That you need, absolutely need, to have sex in your life in order to be happy or fulfilled, that celibacy is horrible or shameful.

The LGBT movement insists on doubling down on gay proclivities, proponents of conversion therapy try to change sexual attraction. Both out of an expectation that the only two options is a sexual relationship with either the same sex or the opposite sex. Never considering a third option.

 

[Fruttasecca]

I'm actually going to go as far as to say that "conversion therapy" is based on one of the same fallacies that the gay rights movement operates on:

That you need, absolutely need, to have sex in your life in order to be happy or fulfilled, that celibacy is horrible or shameful.

The LGBT movement insists on doubling down on gay proclivities, proponents of conversion therapy try to change sexual attraction. Both out of an expectation that the only two options is a sexual relationship with either the same sex or the opposite sex. Never considering a third option.

I dont think highly of self flagellation, especially when it is motivated by shame as its pathetic. And I would say being unable to attract a partner is shameful. I also hate fake people, you know, pious christian family man at day, coke snorting degenerate at night. Thats disgusting behavior so I dont agree with you.
Thing here is that when somebody doubts his faggotry its actually totally wrong and he should just take a dick up his ass to feel better, suddenly there is no legitimate reason for somebody to question his sexuality.
Sure, if a teenage boy has the slightest attraction to a friend its hecking valid and he is totally 100% gay, but its never the opposite. Only hetero men and teenage boys can doubt themselves. You cant tell them that they should stay true to themselves, but if a faggot wants to be attracted to women its horrible and wrong and a life ruining decision.
Just a weird fucking groomer cult that turns on you the second you try to leave.

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

You are trying to convince him that his own feelings are untrustworthy and that everybody wants to harm him, except for you. You know exactly what he feels unlike everybody else and know exactly what he should do and if he doesnt he will kill himself and be miserable.
You are a groomer weirdo but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you arent doing it on purpose, its just how your mind works because you are a faggot and thats just how your "relationships" work.


You should hit up @Omori Boy for some boob pics LMAO

That's you projecting onto me. I don't know who groomed you but you need to stop pushing your trauma onto other people.
Bro admitted he is gay and thinks he can stop being gay by lifting and indulging in hypermasculinity, I was asserting that's pathetic and not going to fix his gayness, and if he keeps hating himself there's only one logical conclusion to the pitfall of zero self-esteem.
I didn't tell him to go fuck men's butts.

Trying to "fix" the gay is a fruitless and impossible endeavor.

I'm actually going to go as far as to say that "conversion therapy" is based on one of the same fallacies that the gay rights movement operates on:

That you need, absolutely need, to have sex in your life in order to be happy or fulfilled, that celibacy is horrible or shameful.

The LGBT movement insists on doubling down on gay proclivities, proponents of conversion therapy try to change sexual attraction. Both out of an expectation that the only two options is a sexual relationship with either the same sex or the opposite sex. Never considering a third option.

It's not that celibacy is horrible or shameful, in fact celibacy CAN work for people don't really desire sexual intimacy.
However, for the typical human being, intimacy is an important part for mental health. It doesn't have to be sexual intimacy, but sex is a healthy part of any relationship. I think it's absurd to think literally anyone can just forego sex without it having a negative effect on their mental health. See: the actual, bonafide incels.

I guess it's a question of how homosexual urges can manifest...? Are they sexual or purely emotional?
From the outlook I'm seeing from certain folks here it seems the issue lies more with gay sex, and less so of two dudes living in the same house as partners and kissing each other good night.
The statistics of STDs and gay sex are very real and dangerous. In fact, I even believe the memes on domestic abuse in lesbian relationships, so that can come into play when deciding if an attraction could lead to bad shit.