BC pub shuttered after customers caught playing pool - Oi, you've got a loicense for that cue?

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Ben Bulmer

A BC Irish pub that accidentally let its customers play pool when its licence didn't allow "games" has been barred from serving booze for three days.

BC Liquor inspectors caught several customers playing pool at Johnnie Fox’s Irish Bar when they stopped by for a routine check last October.

According to a June 3 Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch decision, the Vancouver pub has a food primary licence for its restaurant as well as a liquor primary license for another area.

However, two pool tables were situated in the area licenced just as food primary.

According to the Liquor Board, games that "may require the patron to get up from the food service area... and are likely to shift the primary focus away from the service of food are not permitted."

The Irish bar had fallen foul of this rule previously and was fined $1,000 after patrons were found playing pool a year earlier.

In response to the fine, the bar had put covers on the two pool tables and taken away the cues.

This, however, hadn't stopped customers from playing or trying to play pool.

The pub testified at a hearing that customers were regularly requesting to play pool and were always told they couldn't.

In an email to staff, the bar had reiterated the pool tables were closed and that if a customer wanted to use them to apologize and tell them they were working on it.

The email also said the bar would see if it could get their licence changed or move the pool tables to the liquor primary area where they were allowed.

In pleading their due diligence with the Liquor Board, the pub said it was busy the night the inspector caught their customers playing pool and they hadn't noticed. The bar also said the customers must have brought their own cues.

However, the reasoning wasn't enough for the Liquor Board.

"The licensee could have removed the balls; the licensee could have blocked the mechanism for the release of the balls by disabling it. The licensee could have... removed the pool tables," Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch Delegate Nerys Poole said in the decision.

The Liquor Board said there was no "satisfactory explanation" as to why the pub hadn't done this after getting the first fine.

"I find there was a failure by management here," Poole said.

Ultimately, the pub failed in its defence and was barred from serving alcohol with food for three days, although will be allowed to stay open.

The bar testified it would lose "tens of thousands of dollars" if made to close over a weekend.

The Liquor Board suspended its licence for the first weekend in July.
 
In an email to staff, the bar had reiterated the pool tables were closed and that if a customer wanted to use them to apologize and tell them they were working on it.

I dunno. I kind of think the inspectors were verbally warning them (trying to be civil) and kept getting blown off. Especially since the pub went down this road before, and was fined/closed. The issue of it being a stupid law? I think so, but it is the law and everybody knew it.
 
I dunno. I kind of think the inspectors were verbally warning them (trying to be civil) and kept getting blown off. Especially since the pub went down this road before, and was fined/closed. The issue of it being a stupid law? I think so, but it is the law and everybody knew it.
In response to the fine, the bar had put covers on the two pool tables and taken away the cues
The email also said the bar would see if it could get their licence changed or move the pool tables to the liquor primary area where they were allowed.

In pleading their due diligence with the Liquor Board, the pub said it was busy the night the inspector caught their customers playing pool and they hadn't noticed. The bar also said the customers must have brought their own cues.
"The licensee could have removed the balls; the licensee could have blocked the mechanism for the release of the balls by disabling it. The licensee could have... removed the pool tables," Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch Delegate Nerys Poole said in the decision.

After the first fine;

- the bar left the tables in place
- covered the tables
- removed the cues
- told staff to inform customers they were off limits
- left the release mechanism working on the pay table

I agree that their defense at the hearing that it was "busy and they didn't notice" when customers brought their own cues and took the cover off was weak, even if the whole process is ludicrous.

It seems the tables didn't make enough revenue to take swift action but were also too big and laborious to change the entire bar layout to make the gestapo happy.
 
"The licensee could have removed the balls; the licensee could have blocked the mechanism for the release of the balls by disabling it. The licensee could have... removed the pool tables," Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch Delegate Nerys Poole said in the decision.

The Liquor Board said there was no "satisfactory explanation" as to why the pub hadn't done this after getting the first fine.

"I find there was a failure by management here," Poole said.
"The government bureaucrat could have had an existential crisis by realizing they are literally only there to make things worse, and fucking killed themselves."

There was "no satisfactory explanation" for why this hadn't happened yet after fining a bar and grill the first time for letting patrons play goddamned pool, so this is clearly a "failure by management".
 
According to the Liquor Board, games that "may require the patron to get up from the food service area... and are likely to shift the primary focus away from the service of food are not permitted."
Literally every pub in BC has a pool table and i've never seen or heard of this kind nonsense going on in one before. I'd take this one to court and challenge any claim that the government can tell people they can't play pool for looney reasons
 
Literally every pub in BC has a pool table and i've never seen or heard of this kind nonsense going on in one before. I'd take this one to court and challenge any claim that the government can tell people they can't play pool for looney reasons
There's a history of unusual local and federal laws surrounding both pool/billiards and pinball. It's a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. Excellent YT documentary material if one is talented enough.
 
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