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Jason's Japan video is up. Didn't think it'd be worth talking too much since it's mostly just focusing on what he likes about one train station, but there were a couple things:

First, he talks about getting drunk a lot, I'm starting to believe the alcoholic allegations more and more.

[10:50] "The station does actually close when the last trains stop running at 12:30 AM, which I completely forgot about so after going out drinking I had absolutely no way to get a train back to Shinjuku at 1:00 AM. That is, unless I wanted to wait for trains to start running again at 4:30 AM. It did surprise me that I couldn't even take a bus though; for all its faults Toronto actually has a pretty good night bus network that can get you home after a night of drinking, which is why the bus that runs along the subway line is famously known as 'the Vomit Comet.'"

Very culturally enriching, Jason.

Also despite his praise he can't help himself from complaining about the size of the roads and seeing (GASP) a McDonald's drive-thru.

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He talks about how train transportation is consistently a net negative for Japan, but also says he doesn't care because roads aren't expected to be profitable either. But if that's the case you might as well do with whatever's most convenient.

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And just as I was thinking that he threw me way off by making a very convincing argument in favor of cars vs. trains.

[17:20] "Each private rail operator manages their own platforms and fare gates. This makes ticketing more complicated than it should be as each rail operator will charge you when you pass through their ticket gates. Getting to your destination can have wildly different prices if you split that journey between multiple operators. Helpfully Google Maps will show you how much a trip will cost but it is annoying to have to think this way. Drivers, on the other hand, just turn on their GPS and go; at most they may want to avoid toll highways. They never have to think about which company owns the street that their destination is on."

I'm not sure he realizes there's no comeback to this and he doesn't provide one.
 
Again, this is too dumb even for /r/fuckcars:
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I bet everyone convicted of war crimes played with toy guns as a kid. I know I did. 💯 proof!

Also it’s hilarious that niggers are so good at crimes that it makes it easy to be racist! Thanks, niggers!

Also transit that doesn’t at least run every hour all night is some serious bullshit and I will laugh at it.
 
Jason Slaughter said:
The first thing you'll notice about my footage of Shinjuku is just how many people are in every shot. When I film in public places I usually prefer to go at less busy times of the day after all I'm here to show you the station itself not hundreds of random people obscuring the station but that's just not feasible here. This station is busy, really busy at basically all times of the day.
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Then why did you go at rush hour (16:36 is 4:36 PM)?

Jason also claims that the pushers no longer exist (picture below I found is from 2016):
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Jason Slaughter said:
The other thing foreigners associate with Japanese trains are osia or pushers: the people in white gloves loves making sure that every train is pushed to capacity. I didn't see any examples of this myself at Shinjuku and several people told me that they are rare today. This is because train capacity in Tokyo has increased significantly over the past 40 years and work hours and locations have become more flexible and passenger volumes are lower after the pandemic.
So the pushers don't exist now because the city has sprawled and because fewer people ride the train? Not exactly helping your argument there...

Jason spends a lot of the video talking about how Shinjuku connects the neighborhood.
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Shinjuku is also a transportation hub that seamlessly connects to everything around it and makes the entire neighborhood better.
For some reason, he forgot to mention that Shinjuku's rail lines split the city in two just as much as the Katy Freeway does:
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Yes, there are bridges and tunnels in places, but urbanists ignore them when they complain about highways "dividing cities" so they don't count.

Imagine the rage on /r/fuckcars if there was a highway on the left side of this crosswalk:
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This is bad (16 minutes to walk 145 meters):
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This is good (16 minutes to walk 100 meters):
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He does remember to complain about wide roads though:
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Today, the north and south sides of the station are bisected by this terrible road. Tokyo has way too many of these ridiculously wide roads. Fortunately, there is an option of taking this pedestrian bridge but this doesn't bring you to the rest of the station; it brings you outside next to the Eggslut.
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I guess pedestrian bridges are (partially) good now?
He talks about how train transportation is consistently a net negative for Japan, but also says he doesn't care because roads aren't expected to be profitable either.
While he says that, he shows a clip of a toll road:
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I love his disclaimer that the Costco with a massive parking lot is in Japan:
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It's definitely necessary because his viewers are so dumb that they think that "parking lot = American".
 
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Weird how US cities with decades of progressive monopoly are so terrible, yet Singapore and Tokyo and every other shining example they point to have stable right-wing governments.
One of the reasons why suburbs got so popular in the U.S. is corrupt political machines that no one who could afford it wanted to be around. Europe did not have this problem.
A congestion charge for Jew York could have been made palatable by making it not apply to cars that enter less than once or twice a month, make it ostensibly go to “highway and road” funds (the great lie here of course being that money is fungible and so they just take that money and pay for the stuff they were already paying for and take the money they were using before and fund whatever the hell they want with it. See what they do to lottery, monies and other earmark taxes.).

They do none of this. And then surprised pikatchu when they get their shit pushed in.
There could've been a number of ways to compromise, like "does not apply to taxis, delivery trucks, and anyone who lives in Manhattan" for starters. That would at least not actively screw over people in New York.

Of course, being the braindead people they are, they'd probably argue that congestion prices were the compromise to banning cars altogether. That's what I'd call the "despot's compromise" is that they propose something outrageous and then "settle" for the ridiculous thing they want, and champion this as a "compromise". (Canada does this all the time). Even if the congestion fees were implemented as planned, there's nothing that could've been even more stringent the next time around. "Yeah it's a congestion pricing zone but let's make it a ULEZ like our enlightened European brethren".

Amazingly almost every comment calls him a moron:

He's an Australian if that says anything

"The station does actually close when the last trains stop running at 12:30 AM, which I completely forgot about so after going out drinking I had absolutely no way to get a train back to Shinjuku at 1:00 AM. That is, unless I wanted to wait for trains to start running again at 4:30 AM."
This is what actual efficient trains are. Japan don't bother carrying night traffic because almost no one rides them. If taxpayers are going to run all-night trains for the drunks, I don't want to hear anyone yapping about how "efficient" trains are.

It's definitely necessary because his viewers are so dumb that they think that "parking lot = American".

Some pages back they made that exact mistake and I think it was in Czech Republic or something.
 
Owens charge guy 3 grand on thumbtack to hang three TV's he looked like Jason slaughter mixed with the gayest man I think I've ever had the displeasure of coming across these people are literally useless human beings

this reminds me of my design teacher in high school when we went over the complete and utter moronic ********* of the 1970s nineteen 80s and 1990s who completely screwed up Brazil they were just on the opposite end they thought people need green spaces and were obsessed with highways that's why Brasilia is a hellscape
 
Something that bugs me to no end is how they say that roads are a massive drain of money (they aren't in fact are only a net positive in what they do) and then are hyper defensive if its proven without a shadow of a doubt that without generous subsidies that many public transit options are highly unprofitable. On it's own having public transit at an operating loss isn't the end of the world assuming its actually being used efficiently but usually its so empty that it's honestly tough to justify running it at its current capacity.

regardless I hate how that most of them are some form of online socialist saying costs don't matter for public transit when being beyond hyper-capitalist with roads no matter how beneficial they are towards the community in question.
 
On it's own having public transit at an operating loss isn't the end of the world assuming its actually being used efficiently but usually its so empty that it's honestly tough to justify running it at its current capacity.
Ironically the best way to verify the value of pubic transit is to compare the total car trips removed.

Because transit enabling worthless trips (trips people wouldn’t do in a car) isn’t terribly valuable. A single stop trip is almost certainly longer and just replacing a short walk.
 
Ironically the best way to verify the value of pubic transit is to compare the total car trips removed.
Or, you could look at the headlines in my local paper where two townships just pulled out of funding the local county-wide bus service because the operating costs they paid-in kept increasing, but, they never saw any drop in traffic to justify it....

But we all know the excuses they'd line up to "prove" how it was all working just fine until THOSE PEOPLE messed it up.
 
Because transit enabling worthless trips (trips people wouldn’t do in a car) isn’t terribly valuable. A single stop trip is almost certainly longer and just replacing a short walk.
There's a economic value to increased mobility, and social value in providing transport for short trips i.e. a Pregnant Mother, or a person who can walk limited distances(illness, disability, temp incapacitation) benefit from those short trips.

The issues is these hypocritical fuckwits count those as benefits against the costs for PT but don't for Car transport, yeah a 2 stop tram ride may not be worth driving+parking for the same distance, however a 10min drive and park would absolutely be worth it for someone of limited mobility, or having to go where tram/bus/train reach is poor because of time/cost/etc

That being said Congestion Tax is a smooth brain tax, it hurts the commuter service class(i.e. the people who actually do shit we need), needlessly increases costs for necessary trips, and is only ever proposed because economists are retards that only can factor in like 3 variables max, it can only work by pricing out people who would otherwise make those trips, as opposed to PT improvement which if done right should increase the total number of trips even if traffic remains the same(those that change mode replaced by those who couldn't justify the time/money cost previously).

I don't even understand why it's needed, I dunno about NYC but here City Traffic is massively down during the week and up something like 110% on weekends compared to pre-covid because of all the Work From Home people do now, which if NYC has had a similar change then it's further proof it was a smooth brain cash grab rather than actual problem, and they are just hurting the people who have to commute, which is classic bougie urbanist behaviour right there.
 
I don't even understand why it's needed, I dunno about NYC but here City Traffic is massively down during the week and up something like 110% on weekends compared to pre-covid because of all the Work From Home people do now, which if NYC has had a similar change then it's further proof it was a smooth brain cash grab rather than actual problem, and they are just hurting the people who have to commute, which is classic bougie urbanist behaviour right there.
Despite all the hatred of the suburbs, Manhattan is completely dependent on them. The governor and the mayor, as well as Wall Street CEOs with large real estate portfolios, put enormous pressure on businesses to force their employees to return to the office because they know that the city will die without them. This is another reason (besides the election) why the congestion charge was killed: NYC needs people to come to it, they can't afford to keep anyone out.

Manhattanites love to brag about their variety of businesses, but most of them cater to commuters and can't be supported solely by the local residents. Remember, Manhattan is only a city of 1.6 million people but has a daytime population of four million; in other words, without the commuters it could only support around 40% of its current businesses. For comparison, the Jacksonville, Florida metro area has slightly more people than Manhattan. That's what the borough would look like without commuters.

This is not even getting into the property taxes on offices, toll revenue (which is diverted to the subways), sales taxes paid by commuters, income tax (which the state of New York charges based off of work location, not residency), and the million other taxes and fees that they levy on nonresidents.
 
The HN thread even alluded to it - but of course from the wrong side around. NYC is already cripplingly injured from Covid and remote work drastically cutting office jobs in person - which has huge knock-on effects.

This would smother the patient. So of course they should do it! Also close the tunnels and blow the bridges, too. NYC is a financial powerhouse of the state; it will be juuuuust fine …
 
The HN thread even alluded to it - but of course from the wrong side around. NYC is already cripplingly injured from Covid and remote work drastically cutting office jobs in person - which has huge knock-on effects.

This would smother the patient. So of course they should do it! Also close the tunnels and blow the bridges, too. NYC is a financial powerhouse of the state; it will be juuuuust fine …
I really hope the proposed Texas Stock Exchange takes off and the hedge funds start relocating their employees to their Miami offices. Without them, NYC doesn't have a primary industry and their economy would collapse.

Apparently the decision to make the TXSE was made after Chicago proposed a transaction tax (archive) and when the progressives in New York cheered them on, the bankers started to make contingency plans. All it takes is one Bernie Sanders/AOC type getting elected there and they could end up killing their entire economy overnight.
 
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Honestly I'm glad the congestion tax was defeated because it's a win for the community in New York, not the urbanist bugmen who either don't work or have high income jobs that wouldn't understand the costs would have the the average person.

Though as others have brought up, New York if its not careful could lose it's financial capitol of America crown if it makes average life for all those so difficult to the point that major businesses will leave. It isn't like NYC is a major manufacturing hub and I'm not foolish to think it will completely collapse, it certainly could suffer a decline that could make 70s New York look rosy by comparison.
 
Something that bugs me to no end is how they say that roads are a massive drain of money (they aren't in fact are only a net positive in what they do) and then are hyper defensive if its proven without a shadow of a doubt that without generous subsidies that many public transit options are highly unprofitable. On it's own having public transit at an operating loss isn't the end of the world assuming its actually being used efficiently but usually its so empty that it's honestly tough to justify running it at its current capacity.

regardless I hate how that most of them are some form of online socialist saying costs don't matter for public transit when being beyond hyper-capitalist with roads no matter how beneficial they are towards the community in question.

The "hyper-capitalist" approach is only done when it benefits them, like "ackshually it creates more tax dollars if you put bughive apartments in every square inch of property". (No need to mention that you can't just plant apartments everywhere and expect them all to make money--I posted an article earlier about that).

There's a economic value to increased mobility, and social value in providing transport for short trips i.e. a Pregnant Mother, or a person who can walk limited distances(illness, disability, temp incapacitation) benefit from those short trips.

The issues is these hypocritical fuckwits count those as benefits against the costs for PT but don't for Car transport, yeah a 2 stop tram ride may not be worth driving+parking for the same distance, however a 10min drive and park would absolutely be worth it for someone of limited mobility, or having to go where tram/bus/train reach is poor because of time/cost/etc

That being said Congestion Tax is a smooth brain tax, it hurts the commuter service class(i.e. the people who actually do shit we need), needlessly increases costs for necessary trips, and is only ever proposed because economists are retards that only can factor in like 3 variables max, it can only work by pricing out people who would otherwise make those trips, as opposed to PT improvement which if done right should increase the total number of trips even if traffic remains the same(those that change mode replaced by those who couldn't justify the time/money cost previously).

I don't even understand why it's needed, I dunno about NYC but here City Traffic is massively down during the week and up something like 110% on weekends compared to pre-covid because of all the Work From Home people do now, which if NYC has had a similar change then it's further proof it was a smooth brain cash grab rather than actual problem, and they are just hurting the people who have to commute, which is classic bougie urbanist behaviour right there.
Trying to argue mass transit on the grounds of disabled people (and actually disabled people, not "muh spoons" disabled) isn't relevant because at the price of a mass transit you can just run dial-a-bus services or give out Uber vouchers.

The congestion pricing was supposed to go to the MTA, but they made zero commitments or promises to actually improving the service (and if they did they certainly weren't legally binding). It would all go toward pensions or administration or "donation" or whatever. Therefore it's even more absurd to get mad over it, because even if you were some urbanist scum you would NEVER benefit from it and ONLY get hurt from it because now your beloved bodega has to jack up its prices because deliveries are now taxed even more.

Manhattanites love to brag about their variety of businesses, but most of them cater to commuters and can't be supported solely by the local residents. Remember, Manhattan is only a city of 1.6 million people but has a daytime population of four million; in other words, without the commuters it could only support around 40% of its current businesses. For comparison, the Jacksonville, Florida metro area has slightly more people than Manhattan. That's what the borough would look like without commuters.

I'm not sure how true it is but New York comes off as one of the most elitist U.S. cities of all time and incredibly spiteful to its commuter class (to the point where they have pejorative slurs). They probably think that Macy's runs a massively oversized store that they actually support it, and not the tourists who go to it because it's not the comparatively dinky store at the local mall.

In other news at /r/fuckcars, there's some crying over Cairo (archive) replacing some defunct tram lines with a wider highway.

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This leads into some absurd theory (this isn't the first time I've heard this but probably hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet) that the current leader of Egypt, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, is doing making Cairo more "car-centric" to shut down potential protesters. This is stupid for two reasons:

1. For almost all of human history, capital cities have made their streets wide and grandiose as reasonably possible. That's what all the European capitals did when they were running empires, and that's what Washington DC did because it was heavily influenced by Europe.
2. If you were designing a city to shut down protests, you'd want something that heavily on mass transit—just suspend service! You'd also want narrower streets and no gathering areas.
 
2. If you were designing a city to shut down protests, you'd want something that heavily on mass transit—just suspend service! You'd also want narrower streets and no gathering areas.
No you wouldn't the reason for the wide streets and broad boulevards is to give room for cavalry to charge down protestors and prevent the proles from easily building street barricades. In fact one of the reasons for Haussmann's renovations of Paris was to make the city impossible for the proles to take over. The mass transit statement is however, accurate.
 
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