Windows Recall AI snapshots stored in an unencrypted SQL file in appdata. Apparently. Already there is scripts to install it on unsupported devices.

[std::string]

The price of privacy and security is vigilance.
If you can't be assed to learn how your tools work, you shouldn't be allowed to use them.

In short, see my prior point - bitch less, read more.

But by all means, continue being complacent. Every heard needs that easy prey to distract the predators while the healthy members evade the threat. And for that sacrifice, I salute you.

How many times did you menacingly stroke your neckbeard while writing this?

 

[demicolon]

Linux has uses in server side, but it will never become dominant in client side as is. Windows for all its warts has decades-long backwards compatibility. For every fucking thing you want to do in Linux there's at least 3 ways to do it, each mutually exclusive with each other and with their own warts. Even for GUI you have GNOME vs XFCE vs KDE vs whateverthefuck. Want to install something? Choose between flatpack vs apt get vs some other method that throws zillions of error messages that an average computer toucher will throw his hands at and give up. For fucks sake I used to be a programmer and Linux is a chore for me when trying to do something other than browsing the web and running simple games. If you do any serious office work then libreoffice just doesn't cut it if you need 100% compatibility with .docx files; you're better off running windows in a virtual machine and doing your work in Word there.

Even a simple thing like plugging out a pendrive will cause problems. In Windows you just yank it out with no issue, but in Linux if you don't manually eject the drive there's a random chance Linux will screw up its file descriptor and irreversably corrupt it.

Want sound? Choose between pipewire, pulseaudio, alsa or oss. If you think an average person has any idea how, you're out of your mind or you drink too much estrogen.

The only Linux distro that's treated seriously in business is Red Hat and precisely because it strides to hold a closed standard that doesn't break backwards compatibility.

 

[The Ugly One]

2. Libre Office for office suite,

"The store is out of ground beef, but that's okay because you can just use dog shit instead."

 

[sweater_supremacy]

i dont really give a shit about whatever i just poked my head in on windows offers the convenience but you sacrifice privacy, linux offers privacy but sacrifices convenience, neither is perfect, choose which brand of bleech you lik drinking, put on some music and enjoy it.

back to the topic of the thread its kind of depressing to think that a decade from now some zoomers might feel nostalgic for copilot the way some people feel nostalgic for clippy or one of those assistants from microsoft bob now

 

[Gondolindrim]

Wow, they are begging for a security breach

 

[K-Hole]

JFC. Not this fucking shit again?

Look.

There is Windows. There is Linux. And never the twain shall meet.

This is not a fucking Windows vs. Linux thread. Knock yourself out at all the other millions of threads sperging about this. It's all been said.

Most of us in to advanced computing use a combo of Win/Linux as needed. Some devs prefer to develop in Linux and deploy on Windows (that was me), others do it arse about tit. Good luck with that, whatever you choose. But you will have your reasons.

Linux has come a long way. A real long way. It's true, it's possible to run a fuck tonne of software on it either via VM's or other methods (Wine). Even lower level driver support has got better to the point where your software might (just, might) work if you give it a crack.

But this thread is not about that.


This is a thread about DATA RAPE.

There ya go, just in case you missed it.

But for this kind of shit to even be possible you need to have a physical NPU (Neural Processing Unit) in your laptop/desktop/whatever. Thankfully, the new computer I just got built and cost me over 3K (GBP) only comes close to that with a cheapo nVidia GFX card that is only there to enable me to run an extra monitor or two. In a little while there will be PCI cards coming out that won't even need that. They will be a fraction of the price and run double the amount of monitors). And all of this can be run off the on-die GFX built in to the latest CPU's. Yeah, certain AMD's might need a discrete GFX card, but you probably know about that better than I do.

I went with intel, not because I love them, or even because ONLY THE PARANOID SURVIVE!

But because I have hardware that gets fucky otherwise. Same reason I maintain a Win7 system. Same reason I maintain a WinX system on LTSC support. Yeah, not ideal, but what I lose on the swings I gain on the roundabouts. I even maintain an old Win98 box with 64MB of RAM because it has an old adaptec card that just happens to work perfectly with my old Akai Sampler. SCSI Hell, is a thing!

As for browsing, we have hard and soft virtualisation. Hard being programs like Virtual Box and VM Ware. I run both. And I run several instances of different Linux distros within my Windows boxes within these. I even run Windows off of Linux, as others have mentioned. That works a lot better than a lot of people might imagine it to.

Then we have soft virtualisation and sandboxing programs like Sandboxie. Can be a bit of a learning curve and pain to set up, but works very well. Yes, it's possible for malware to escape the sandbox, but it's quite rare.. if you know what you are doing, or even if you don't, it's an extra layer of free protection that once set up is fire and forget.

But it's not just hardware, the reason why I persevere with windoze. It's software. Many many thousands and thousands of pounds worth of software, that quite simply does not run at all in linux, or at least to the efficiency needed. Running through a HAL (Harware Abstraction Layer) and Hypervisors takes its toll. Someone got to pay the piper. That is if the piper can even be payed at all. Sometimes they don't accept cheques. Or checks? LOL...

The reason I have to have Windows 11 on my new 3K super computer is because of processor scheduling and things like parallel programming and concurrency and all that jazz and performance cores and e-cores (efficient cores) that offload the non critical donkey work to the background. There's still an art to that, and they are still perfecting that particular 'science'. They tell me that WinX does not do that shit at all. It probably does a bit. But Win11 was designed (as all these OS's are) to bring about planned obsolesence, and in cahoots with the hardware manufacturs like Intel as well. Oh, so you need a new chip for that? Yah! Oh, so you need a new OS for that? Yah!

I'm actually going to check this shit out and provide receipts. I love me my WinX LTSC. Got to admit, it actually does run faster on the very same box as my Win7(SP-1) OS. NGL. Will be interesting to see all those claims. I mean, I expect a bit of improvement, but I'll actually be surprised if it is perceptible. Talking at least 10-20-30 percent improvements here.

And don't forget, the field I work in - Audio processing - well the vast majority of that still runs on single core architecture, so no matter how many extra p-cores or e-cores you got, it's still only running on the first core it finds. GHz is king here, not whether you have 24 other hyper cores. LOL. It's why my 10 year old i5-4690K that I have OC'd like a mother fucker is still viable and working like a champ today. There's not much in it really, considering the cost of a new computer and whatnot. Let's see what's in it, shall we?

Oh, look, it's a bit more than double!

In ten fucking years. And I got to build a 3K box to take advantage of all that shit, 10 fucking years later.

Not MATI (mad at the internet) but MATI (mad at intel).

Ya get me, tech bros?

This is how these fuckers roll.

There should be a law against it. There probably is a law against it. But just like Hunter Biden getting done for having a gun, that sucker ain't ever going to get done! Ya feel me, tech bros?

Sure you do.

You know what time it is.

Yeah, boyeeee!

It's tech 'o' clock.

Machine learning. Artificial intelligence. Large language models. Jenson's leather jacket!

Simulacra and simulation.

How deep does the irony have to go before we are drowning in it? - The KLF.


Linux can work for some, in some situations.

Windows has to work for the rest of us though. It's what family use. It's what my multi-thousand pounds of hardware uses, and the multi-thousands of pounds spent on software.

Not everyone is a gamer. Or a FUCKING porn addict *, or a humble office user.

Spare a thought for those doing graphic design and 3D Modeling too. They also offer a similar parallel.

I probably should have spell checked this, but why not just quit right here and demonstrate that I'm also a retard.

If this shit is brought to public consciousness you can bet it's been deployed for the last 10 years.

If this shit is said to be being evaluated and might not be rolled out, you can bet it WILL be fucking rolled out, one way or another.

And if yout think your particular OS is immune to such cancer, it's only a matter of time before you find out that your particularl love child had this all along, under a different name, but in a far more egregious manner, for ten years prior to that!

I paid Microshite a hundred bucks for my windoze 11 OS. I also paid them an extra 30 bucks on top to get the 'PRO' version, just so I could turn off the shite that was in HOME> That, my friends, is the very definition of a protection racket.

They are all at it.

* One thing is for sure, and I'm not happy about it, but I really am going to have to curb my inter-racial tranny porn habit, finally. It's probably for the best.


We have reached that point in history!

 

[Rob Wolchek]

Not reading all dat

 

[PlugsPugs]

How many times did you menacingly stroke your neckbeard while writing this?

Now see here, sir. While I may well have an impressive set of mutton chops, my neck is meticulously manicured. Like a fine lawn.

I see to that using my vintage straight razor, because cartridge blades are for chumps.
Additionally I only wear flannel and hiking boots anywhere I go, so I need to keep the neck clear for maximum heat dissipation.

I shan't expect one of your social stature to understand these finer things, but still I make the effort. The lengths I go to just to help the riffraff, I should have my pick of the cheerleaders.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

"The store is out of ground beef, but that's okay because you can just use dog shit instead."

You act as if Microsoft Office hasn't been feature complete since the days of Office 2007. Libreoffice is a perfectly reasonable alternative to Microsoft's Office suite for years now.

It's a lot like the Windows ecosystem as a whole in that way: it's gotten exponentially worse ever since Steve Jobs left the company and the retarded pajeet at top took hold.

 

[Napoleon III]

I'll mention something that people here have failed to mention about Linux that I stole from Terry Davis. Linux is an operating system for a 1970s mainframe. It has a lot of stuff users who are not on a 1970s mainframe don't want. Which is why I think something that strips out the dumb parts of Linux that desktop user don't need or an entirely new operating system will win. This is also why Linux in the real world is used so frequently on the server.


Recall is going to kill Windows if seriously implemented. I will never buy a windows PC ever again. Windows is already becoming completely trash with how many problems it causes.

Again, to reiterate, you Linux fags are completely insufferable. Has it ever occurred to you that most normal people just want or need something that JUST. FUCKING. WORKS.???

Why is the sound not working?

1. Ubuntu and other derivatives of it that change literally fucking. there I fucking said it, non-autistic distro that just werks, now stop dilating.

That's not true btw. Ubuntu also has problems.

P.S. GPU drivers. they are all equally bitch

This is true. I will give you this one. A lot of drivers are monumentally fucking retarded.

why Linux adoption has been super low, and it's because of geniuses like this in the community.

There is indeed a lack of realistic thinking and understanding about how business works. If the customer tells you that you are wrong, you are wrong.

 

[Fcret]

It's also why when Vista came out you had to buy things that were "Vista Ready" or "Vista Approved" to show they had the proper drivers for their devices. Didn't help because Vista still sucked.

And half the time 'Vista ready' meant, 'some intern tried our XP driver on Vista in the most basic bitch configuration and use-case and said it works'

Anyway, if you have to use Windows, I recommend segregating it to a special cuckbox in a cuck corner that you turn on just to do the things you need Windows for. Microsoft takes an adversarial approach to their users and I recommend users do the same.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

And half the time 'Vista ready' meant, 'some intern tried our XP driver on Vista in the most basic bitch configuration and use-case and said it works'

Even Microsoft knew it didn't work.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2008/02/vista-capable-scheme-was-panned-at-microsoft/

While the contents of the internal Microsoft e-mails remain sealed, Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter Joseph Tartakoff attended the hearing and recorded some of them.

Mike Nash, currently a corporate vice president for Windows product management, wrote in an e-mail, "I PERSONALLY got burnt. ... Are we seeing this from a lot of customers? ... I now have a $2,100 e-mail machine." Jim Allchin, then the co-president of Microsoft's Platforms and Services Division, wrote in another e-mail, "We really botched this. ... You guys have to do a better job with our customers."

Is the same discussion happening there now over Recall?

 

[Fcret]

I'll mention something that people here have failed to mention about Linux that I stole from Terry Davis. Linux is an operating system for a 1970s mainframe. It has a lot of stuff users who are not on a 1970s mainframe don't want. Which is why I think something that strips out the dumb parts of Linux that desktop user don't need or an entirely new operating system will win. This is also why Linux in the real world is used so frequently on the server.

Linux is an operating system for 386 and newer IBM PC-compatibles. That's what it was originally designed to run on. I don't know where you get this idea that it was intended to be a mainframe operating system.

Edit: goddammit, this is the windows thread, stop baiting me into talking about Linux

 

[seri0us]

On the games front I personally just recommend not being a faggot and grab a console. The gap between console and PC is only going to bother neckbeards at this point, people who want to wank to benchmarks instead of actually playing games.

Out of everyone I've ever seen in a Linux vs. Windows slapfight thread, you're by far the best troll.

 

[Falcon Sebben]

some zoomers might feel nostalgic for copilot the way some people feel nostalgic for clippy or one of those assistants from microsoft bob now

What seriously? I don't know anybody, not even Boomers, that are nostalgic for Clippy. Much less Bob.

This is a thread about DATA RAPE.

LOL! Calm the fuck down.

You act as if Microsoft Office hasn't been feature complete since the days of Office 2007. Libreoffice is a perfectly reasonable alternative to Microsoft's Office suite for years now.

It's a lot like the Windows ecosystem as a whole in that way: it's gotten exponentially worse ever since Steve Jobs left the company and the retarded pajeet at top took hold.

If it wasn't for the fact we have a volume license deal, I tend to pirate everything I can from work and some of the macros and commands are different I'd be using Open Office or some other free Office suite at home. Paying full price for MS Office is bullshit.

Is the same discussion happening there now over Recall?

Microsoft, and other companies, have been trying for the longest time to get user data to sell to advertisers. It's a revenue stream that is just waiting to be used. If they could figure out a way to do so without the end user knowing, they'd totally do it.

But like everything MS does they do it in some half-assed way. They reach for the stars, it's going to be a game changer and... it never works out the way they want to.

Their entire business is built on people buying the latest OS. They took a bath on Me, Vista, Windows 8, Windows 11 and unless they patch Windows 12 so recall doesn't record fucking everything, there's a way to turn it off or there's a way in an enterprise environment to prevent certain things from being copied then they're going to find it hard to sell that OS.

 

[Roland TB-303]

Now see here, sir. While I may well have an impressive set of mutton chops, my neck is meticulously manicured. Like a fine lawn.

I see to that using my vintage straight razor, because cartridge blades are for chumps.
Additionally I only wear flannel and hiking boots anywhere I go, so I need to keep the neck clear for maximum heat dissipation.

I shan't expect one of your social stature to understand these finer things, but still I make the effort. The lengths I go to just to help the riffraff, I should have my pick of the cheerleaders.

Painfully unfunny and super autistic because of your inability to see this from anyone else’s perspective but yours. I’ve dabbled with Linux on Mac over the years because I’m an autistic retard who likes a challenge, but there is no way it could be your daily driver apart from a very narrow subset of autistic use cases. The fact you can’t differentiate your own experience with everyone else’s means you’re an autistic fucking idiot picking fights with people over an operating system for no reason.

 

[Napoleon III]

I feel discussing Linux here is interesting and relevant because it serves as a competitor. Recall brings up the competion question.

I will also make a hot take. Linux is just as bad or worse than Microsoft at giving consumers what they want. A properly run organization doesn't dictate to the user what they should want. The user dictates what they want. Though things are impossible and there are tradeoffs. Linux enthusiasts are often as brainwashed or more than Microsoft and Apple users.

I hope Recall kills windows and something better emerges as windows is a POS and Linux, while providing some benefits is pretty retarded too.

Linux is an operating system for 386 and newer IBM PC-compatibles. That's what it was originally designed to run on. I don't know where you get this idea that it was intended to be a mainframe operating system.

I got it from Terry Davis, and the fact most servers run Linux based OS. Be careful when you disagree with Terry Davis the man knows knew his stuff.

 

[Smar Mijou]

I don't understand the hostility some of you have to trying Linux. Make a bootable thumbdrive of Debian or something and try it out. No commitment required. I think most people would be surprised at how much of what they do on a computer is web-browser based anyways.

I don't have a problem with "Linux" per-se, I've said before that every OS and program has its use case. Hell, I use a version of it for small RaspberryPI projects. But that's the problem, there are approximately 436,123 different flavours of "Linux", all with their own baked-in flaws and highlights. I kid a little bit on the number, but JEEZUS FUCKING CHRIST...

And you have spergs screeching in every forum and subPreddit about how THEIR favorite distro of Linux is the best, superior to all others, and anyone who disagrees because they don't want to deal with software limitations or compatibility issues is just a normie plebian Windoze faggot that needs to kill themselves.

There is Windows. There is Linux. And never the twain shall meet.

Well, don't look at any Windows IOT or Azure software then...

I'll mention something that people here have failed to mention about Linux that I stole from Terry Davis. Linux is an operating system for a 1970s mainframe. It has a lot of stuff users who are not on a 1970s mainframe don't want. Which is why I think something that strips out the dumb parts of Linux that desktop user don't need or an entirely new operating system will win. This is also why Linux in the real world is used so frequently on the server.

Not really, unless you're thinking of UNIX, which technically Linux is a descendant of UNIX, sharing similar prompts and design philosophy. In that way it does share many of the legacy traits, but it's technically "UNIX-like" and not so much a distro of UNIX.

However, considering that UNIX is the forefather of pretty much all modern OS kernel design, and everything in computers is based on UNIX time, technically, everything is UNIX.

 

[botrix_fan]

The best desktop operating system is always Windows from 5 years ago.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Biggest mistake is to think distros are fundamentally different. They're all the same software, just with (usually) a different package manager and a different philosophy behind them how the basic tools are setup and how the configuration (you can change) of the software that is bundled out of the box is. Distributions are just software collections, nothing more, nothing less. I blame distro maintainers (think tranny jannies with a tech affinity) loving to overplay their importance in that ecosystem (like distros called "something-OS" and announcements of new "releases" that read like you are actually dealing with a fully fledged operating system they make) for this very common misconception that the distro you use is actually important. Some have more shit crammed in, some less, some package managers are retarded. That's about the extend of difference between them. If you know the tools it's all the same. Kernel as interface to the hardware starts a process (with the process ID of 1) wo usually oversees all other processes spawned from them on. Even that is not a requirement. That process could also be a simple executable that just prints "hello world" over and over until you turn the computer off, which yes, would be perfectly safe in that scenario. That's the extend of your average linux system from the point of the user. A lot of distros are actually just forks of other distros so the extend of the work the maintainers put in is sometimes literally just different icons and wallpapers and a few config file lines written differently. It's all for the attention. There used to be times where distros indeed had things like heavily patched kernels and software, and this still happens now and then but it is so exceedingly rare and the changes made are usually completely meaningless to the end user, so that it is not even worth mentioning it. Using a distribution isn't a requirement, you can just compile the kernel and all the software yourself. This isn't usually done because it's difficult to keep up with updates of all system parts and the big tree of software/library dependencies.

People coming from Windows which feels a lot more like a monolithic block where the individual parts are not known by the user together with distro maintainers keeping this illusion up that their distro is their own thing is to blame for this weird fixation on "distributions" IMO. It honestly does not matter. Install whatever. It's all the same stuff. Instead of wasting your time on comparing the 451898494 different distros and what their maintainers think is right for you, just learn how to edit a config file yourself. Not only will your understanding of the ecosystem grow significantly, you will also waste a lot less of your time with information that is utterly meaningless. I suggest a distribution that puts weight on minimalism, so you have less crap and window dressing to dig through.