2016 US Presidential Election Thread 2 - Always Darkest before Don

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The governor of Oklahoma is currently speaking for Trump in Virginia. While wearing a cape.
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buffaloWildWings said:
Well, he was certainly correctly predicting the Republican primary outcomes.
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Silver's a great guy to have around when politics as usual are in vogue. That's part of why he so successfully predicted the 2012 race. Problem is, the voting populace isn't encouraging politics as usual, and Silver more than any other high-profile pollster let his own partisan attitudes get in the way of his predictions.

I don't mean to be mean, but Silver being utterly convinced that Trump can't win is my biggest predictor that he'll actually win on Tuesday. He's incapable of looking at this race outside of who he doesn't want to win and damn near the entire polling industry has joined him in trying to foster this attitude that Clinton has it in the bag.
 
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Absolutego said:
Silver's a great guy to have around when politics as usual are in vogue. That's part of why he so successfully predicted the 2012 race. Problem is, the voting populace isn't encouraging politics as usual, and Silver more than any other high-profile pollster let his own partisan attitudes get in the way of his predictions.

I don't mean to be mean, but Silver being utterly convinced that Trump can't win is my biggest predictor that he'll actually win on Tuesday. He's incapable of looking at this race outside of who he doesn't want to win and damn near the entire polling industry has joined him in trying to foster this attitude that Clinton has it in the bag.
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The truth is that this election can go either way.
Black people are voting in lesser droves, latinos are voting in greater droves.
And millennials think #hashtags is the same as voting.
 
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Dynastia said:
Trump has an actual shot at Michigan because he promised to set tariffs on foreign-made autos. Detroit is a dystopian hellhole because their automotive industry collapsed and every other politician is like "lol progress". There's a lot of rage and bitterness he can tap into there.
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The auto industry in Detroit didn't collapse as a result of foreign cars being too much of competition for them, GM simply didn't play a strong hand when the foreign competition arrived. They could have made serious efforts at maintaining their competitiveness. Instead, they chose to try taking the easy way out. GM figured all they had to do to keep competitive was to outsource production and lower the (foreign) workers' wages, keep the pricing the same at dealerships and sit around making vehicles with similar weak points as those whih were already having problems with merit compared to foreign competitors. It did alright for a little while--until the foreign competitors started kicking the shit out of GM's market share.

The funny part about GM and progress goes is that GM's CEO only worsened the company's situation in the 1980s by fumbling the ball on several fronts. Though they hoped to increase commonality to reduce costs, they did things ass backwards and made all of their different brands look similar, deriding their uniqueness and value as a result while doing little to improve commonality under the hood. (There was also that paint fiasco they had about that time, where the paint on your car would deteriorate quite rapidly).

As far as personally witnessing why GM encountered problems, I remember a 1980s (I forget the precise year but mid to late '80s) Chevy Camaro that the family had. The constant problems that crate had included continual mechanical issues and its nasty habit of leaving its doors unable to lock if the electrical system failed (when you had to abandon ship because of just such a fault, you had to leave it open).

Its notoriety for breaking down, continual maintenance needs and general unreliability drove my family and most of the extended family into rethinking purchasing American cars, with some of them resolving to never purchase from GM again.

Two 1982 Toyotas supplanted and then succeeded the Camaro, soldiered on for 15 years above and beyond it when the latter was pawned off in 1991 (and hopefully gave no trouble to the guy it was sold to). In all honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if the Camaro had still spend more time in maintenance than the Toyotas despite all of that extra time in use. The success of those Toyotas led to two more being purchased to succeed the 1982 models.
 
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IwegalBadnik said:
The auto industry in Detroit didn't collapse as a result of foreign cars being too much of competition for them, GM simply didn't play a strong hand when the foreign competition arrrived. They could have made serious efforts at maintaining their competitiveness but chose to try taking the easy way out. They figured all they had to do to keep competitive was to outsourcing production and lower the (foreign) workers' wages, keep the pricing the same at dealerships and sit around making vehicles with similar weakpoints as they had compared to foreign competitors. It did alright for a little while--until the foreign competitors started kicking the shit out of GM's market share.

The funny part about GM and progress goes is that GM's CEO only worsened the company's situation in the 1980s by fumbling the ball on several fronts. Though they hoped to increase commonality to reduce costs, they did things ass backwards and made all of their different brands look similar, deriding their uniqueness and value as a result while doing little to improve commonality under the hood. There was also that paint fiasco they had about that time...

As far as personally witnessing why GM encountered problems, I remember a 1980s (I forget the precise year but mid to late '80s) Chevy Camaro that the family had. The constant problems that crate had included continual mechanical issues and its nasty habit of leaving its doors unable to lock if the electrical system failed (when you had to abandon ship because of just such a fault, you had to leave it open).

Its notoriety for breaking down, continual maintenance needs and general unreliability drove my family and most of the extended family into rethinking purchasing American cars, with some of them resolving to never purchase from GM again.

Two 1982 Toyotas supplanted and then succeeded the Camaro, soldiered on for 15 years above and beyond it when the latter was pawned off in 1991 (and hopefully gave no trouble to the guy it was sold to). In all honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if the Camaro had still spend more time in maintenance than the Toyotas despite all of that extra time in use. The success of those Toyotas led to two more being purchased to succeed the 1982 models.
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GM has, since at least the 1970's been a shitty company. As you said they refuse to innovate and keep up with the competition and allow people to get away with lazy work which results in shitty cars. I don't think the bankruptcy and reformation afterwards helped them any.
 
King n Yellow said:
GM has, since at least the 1970's been a shitty company. As you said they refuse to innovate and keep up with the competition and allow people to get away with lazy work which results in shitty cars. I don't think the bankruptcy and reformation afterwards helped them any.
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Though some people may take issue with Michael Moore having been the director, I do encourage people to put forward the 90 minutes and have a look at Roger & Me.

Parts of it do make it apparent that a common strategy at GM was to just claim "we're #1!" and try ignoring the competition, despite the threat that competition presented to them then and now.
 
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IwegalBadnik said:
The auto industry in Detroit didn't collapse as a result of foreign cars being too much of competition for them, GM simply didn't play a strong hand when the foreign competition arrived. They could have made serious efforts at maintaining their competitiveness. Instead, they chose to try taking the easy way out. GM figured all they had to do to keep competitive was to outsource production and lower the (foreign) workers' wages, keep the pricing the same at dealerships and sit around making vehicles with similar weak points as those whih were already having problems with merit compared to foreign competitors. It did alright for a little while--until the foreign competitors started kicking the shit out of GM's market share.

The funny part about GM and progress goes is that GM's CEO only worsened the company's situation in the 1980s by fumbling the ball on several fronts. Though they hoped to increase commonality to reduce costs, they did things ass backwards and made all of their different brands look similar, deriding their uniqueness and value as a result while doing little to improve commonality under the hood. (There was also that paint fiasco they had about that time, where the paint on your car would deteriorate quite rapidly).

As far as personally witnessing why GM encountered problems, I remember a 1980s (I forget the precise year but mid to late '80s) Chevy Camaro that the family had. The constant problems that crate had included continual mechanical issues and its nasty habit of leaving its doors unable to lock if the electrical system failed (when you had to abandon ship because of just such a fault, you had to leave it open).

Its notoriety for breaking down, continual maintenance needs and general unreliability drove my family and most of the extended family into rethinking purchasing American cars, with some of them resolving to never purchase from GM again.

Two 1982 Toyotas supplanted and then succeeded the Camaro, soldiered on for 15 years above and beyond it when the latter was pawned off in 1991 (and hopefully gave no trouble to the guy it was sold to). In all honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if the Camaro had still spend more time in maintenance than the Toyotas despite all of that extra time in use. The success of those Toyotas led to two more being purchased to succeed the 1982 models.
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Detroit niggers and white trash will undoubtedly appreciate this nuance and not clutch blindly at any rope they have thrown to them.
 
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Dynastia said:
Detroit niggers and white trash will undoubtedly appreciate this nuance and not clutch blindly at any rope they have thrown to them.
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They probably will grasp at whatever deal sounds best to them--no matter how bullshit it might actually be and I don't blame them for it. Any offer of an avenue to improvement probably sounds like the deal of the century to them.

It's no surprise to me that when people are fucked over for decades that they'd look for a change anywhere they thought they could find it--including with Trump. It doesn't help that Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, which enabled a fair portion of Detroit's losses, either.
 
Absolutego said:
Silver's a great guy to have around when politics as usual are in vogue. That's part of why he so successfully predicted the 2012 race. Problem is, the voting populace isn't encouraging politics as usual, and Silver more than any other high-profile pollster let his own partisan attitudes get in the way of his predictions.
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Nate overfit his model to what he observed in 2008/2012. A huge part of the reason he got blindsided by Trump is that he thought the 2016 Republican primary would play the same way the 2012 primary did, with a joke candidate leading for a while until the mainstream establishment guy took over.
 
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I made a horrible mistake by thinking I could go on Facebook during the final few days before the election and not be met with mass hysteria. My circle is generally liberal and the amount of shit-flipping, virtue signaling, guilt-tripping, and general attempts to claim moral high ground is absolutely disgusting. I'm not a conservative by any measure, but everybody on my feed needs to calm their tits and accept that we're fucked no matter who wins. Trump isn't Hitler and Hillary isn't a savior, nor the other way around. I'm sick of the smugposting. I'm sick of the panicposting. It's time to stop.
 
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Golly said:
I made a horrible mistake by thinking I could go on Facebook during the final few days before the election and not be met with mass hysteria. My circle is generally liberal and the amount of shit-flipping, virtue signaling, guilt-tripping, and general attempts to claim moral high ground is absolutely disgusting. I'm not a conservative by any measure, but everybody on my feed needs to calm their tits and accept that we're fucked no matter who wins. Trump isn't Hitler and Hillary isn't a savior, nor the other way around. I'm sick of the smugposting. I'm sick of the panicposting. It's time to stop.
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Agreed. You can't even go on Tumblr, even blogs that normally don't do shit like that are reeeeeeeeeing about 'orange hitler who hates the gay pocs!!!'
 
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I made a horrible mistake by thinking I could go on Facebook during the final few days before the election and not be met with mass hysteria. My circle is generally liberal and the amount of shit-flipping, virtue signaling, guilt-tripping, and general attempts to claim moral high ground is absolutely disgusting. I'm not a conservative by any measure, but everybody on my feed needs to calm their tits and accept that we're fucked no matter who wins. Trump isn't Hitler and Hillary isn't a savior, nor the other way around. I'm sick of the smugposting. I'm sick of the panicposting. It's time to stop.
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Maybe if we're lucky, the losing side will go full Jonestown. I'm certainly keeping my eye on /pol/ well after Tuesday. :story:
 
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King n Yellow said:
Why do they even have #3 on their list when they can't even follow it while making said list?
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#1 and #4 aren't suggesting he will lose, they're raising the possibility of the aftermath of such a loss.

Even if that weren't the case, why not play both sides for viewership?
 
I'd vote for whoever promised to kill Chris.

Media in Australia has been retarded. You would think that Trump was the leader of an Australian party during an election with all the spin and bias that has been presented. Our version of Trump, a woman who is further right than Trump is, has done a lot since she was elected a senator this year.
 
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