Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

Out of all the Special Operations in the US, and within all the 3 Delta squadrons, YOUR SQUADRON, that you LEAD, was known for starting war crimes and keeping a secret kill count on how many hatchet kills an assaulter got. Please do explain how you were going to make a "bad day" for an unarmed prisoner. Go ahead, Tom Satterly, it's your words. Were you going to leave him alone with Boettcher for 10 minutes?

 
I think A Squadron and B Squadron were involved as well. A Squadron was allegedly abusing detainees. And B Squadron was allegedly having a competition over who could kill the most people, which led to civilians being killed. (They did actually crack down on that though by firing the Squadron leadership) Tom Greer writing under the pen name Dalton Fury alluded to it in his "fiction" books about Delta according to Jack Murphy. Though I haven't read the books because they look like a slog to get through.

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And B Squadron was allegedly having a competition over who could kill the most people, which led to civilians being killed.
Well, without them, we wouldn't have a photo of the canoe for the thread, so I'm grateful for their snuff films. As you said, it was most likely a Delta thing (the war crimes) not just "a few bad assaulters" sprinkled around the Unit.

However, about Tom, if he had been any other NCO, I would just have taken those threatening words as just an angry soldier making empty threats because one of their men got injured. Nothing too exciting. But when your COO in your company (VanSant) did a podcast and is in good standing with a person referred to as "Dahmer" by other Unit members... I don't think it's a good look.
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From the Jim Foreman interview. He is extremely calm, intelligent, and well-spoken. Everybody speaks slowly though, so put in on 2x.
That's legit horrifying. "4 corner domination and a body is considered a bullet block". (will check the interview later, thanks!)
I'm no CQB wizard, but that, just by common sense, is extremely dangerous. I like that he tried to be politically correct and say that's "hardcore" instead of that's "insane".

By the way, after hearing this, I began giving it a deep thunk, and I think that one of the problems with Delta is that they spend too much in killhouses. That's why we saw them make that silly mistake of taking cover behind a roofed glass window. If you are training "force-on-force" in plywood with simunitions, in a non-real killhouse, then you can take cover behind glass and plywood and be fine, and you might forget that that is not how bullets work.

My guess from this, is that Delta doesn't get as much budget from the Army as DEVGRU or the SEAL teams do, even if they are Tier 1. If you look at the training videos of DEVGRU in Miami, it's very expensive. Helicopters, preparing the exercise in a real world facility, everyone kitted-up and ready, and other training contingencies we are not privy to. That is not cheap. But making a killhouse and spending your time killing paper and occasionally doing simunitions is much cheaper.

I think if they had been exposed to better training, they'd never even try the 4 corner domination X killing because of blue on blue danger. The only real "training" footage we see of Delta was that shitty CQB video that was filmed in the Bragg area, where no one was shooting back or pulling rear security. Really looked staged. And some USPSA type shooting.

I also think that the Navy in general has more of a culture of self-reflection and perfectionism. Look at this after-action that the Blue Angels do. They call it "Taking a safety" and it's their criticism of their mistakes and how they will improve upon them. I'm sure DEVGRU does something similar. Not sure about Delta.


 
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My guess from this, is that Delta doesn't get as much budget from the Army as DEVGRU or the SEAL teams do, even if they are Tier 1. If you look at the training videos of DEVGRU in Miami, it's very expensive. Helicopters, preparing the exercise in a real world facility, everyone kitted-up and ready, and other training contingencies we are not privy to. That is not cheap. But making a killhouse and spending your time killing paper and occasionally doing simunitions is much cheaper.
Delta does training in real buildings too but they use live ammo and set up paper targets with bullet traps. The founder of Simunition said in an interview that they tried using force-on-force training in the 90s but stopped because they were losing. Which is insane. Too much of an ego that you would rather not know how bad you are.
 
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Too much of an ego that you would rather not know how bad you are.
I guess that's why we have this amazing picture of Pranka, with a crushed look on his face. The sim hit him right in the center of his body, below the plate. That would have been a killshot that would have ripped through his aorta and spine.
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I guess that's why we have the amazing picture of Pranka, with a crushed look on his face. The sim hit him right in the center off his body, below the plate. That would have been a killshot that would have ripped through his aorta and spine.
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There was a SEAL Team 6 Operator Jason Freiwald who killed two fighters in a house, then got shot in the abdomen by a barricaded shooter, proceeded to keep fighting and kill the shooter, then died later.

Pranka has admitted to getting shot before but didn't say where he got shot. Same mission where Thomas Payne was wounded. It's a lot more fun to beat up on local SWAT cops who aren't allowed to shoot back. Pranka got really mad at Mike Glover for talking about the mission. Only 4 casualties is way better than they normally do TBF.
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Also you can still do points of domination without crossfire
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There was a SEAL Team 6 Operator Jason Freiwald who killed two fighters in a house, then got shot in the abdomen by a barricaded shooter, proceeded to keep fighting and kill the shooter, then died later.
That's rough, abdominal gunshots are no joke. Jason was a tough dude.
Pranka has admitted to getting shot before but didn't say where he got shot.
Mofo is already getting a fat belly while in active duty, got a scratch in the bum, and is eating ice-cream like he was a convalescent casualty. How about a morale raising SALAD for a change, Matt?
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Also you can still do points of domination without crossfire
Yeah, the X thing is absolutely insane from everywhere you look at it.
 
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Yeah these are the elite tier one operators I was telling you about, the ones that don't legally exist, that the government and military command don't formally recgonise. Yeah the ones with the beer guts that placed 25th in a shooting compeition aganist civilians. If you ask nicely they'll tell you about all the times they got shot and the corpses they canoed! Yeah real national heroes that keep us safe.
 
Amazing what a difference HRT makes.
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It's not just USPSA they lose at. There's a competition series called the tactical games which is basically crossfit with a little shooting thrown in. Active duty Delta operators show up and get smoked by civilian fitness enthusiasts.

Why is it that some pooners can grow better beards? Do they get special steroids?
 
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The thing is, Matt's even more of a sperg to people who do out-shoot him. He used to go on drunk rants about how JJ Racaza doesn't understand shooting.




"Optic risers are Instagram bullshit" - Pranka

Delta Silver Star Recipient - "Hold my tall boi"

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The President of the United States of America, authorized by Act of Congress July 9, 1918 (amended by an act of July 25, 1963), takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star to Sergeant First Class Scott M. Warren, United States Army, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in connection with military operations against an armed hostile force while serving in support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM in Iraq, on 25 October 2005. On this date, Sergeant First Class Warren and his element conducted an assault against an enemy position. Upon entering the target building, he encountered multiple enemy fighters at close quarters. Realizing that one of them was initiating an explosive vest, rather than seek readily available cover for himself, he engaged the enemy from 5 feet away. Turning away from Sergeant First Class Warren's accurate fire, the enemy fighter activated his explosive vest. The result of his turning away focused the explosive blast and ball bearing shrapnel away from the assault force into the other armed enemy fighters in the room and the load-bearing external walls of the building. Sergeant First Class Warren's gallant actions and dedicated devotion to duty, without regard for his own life, were in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.
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Amazing what a difference HRT makes.
Wife beater with a caption "Body by Waffle House". Never change Josh.
The thing is, Matt's even more of a sperg to people who do out-shoot him. He used to go on drunk rants about how JJ Racaza doesn't understand shooting.
The billowing smoke in that room is gross. The probably had to disable the fire alarms. But Brent is right, if we were to go shot-for-shot, Matt Pranka would be able to beat me or anyone I know.
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That sort of alcohol tolerance took years of dedicated effort and metal toughness. Hell, he might even drive back to his house after our competition.

By the way, this just struck me in the article you mention, the command used the acronym VUMs for Veteran Unit Members. Get it? "Bums", that what the high command thinks of people who are out of the Unit. Not much respect from the brass, it seems.
 
An aviation photographer captured these really cool pictures of SEALs and Nightstalkers training. Credit to @1688.photo on Instagram. Give him a follow.
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Former Red Squadron Operator Jeff Nichols has made up with Rob O'Neill. Before joining the Navy Nichols was a D1 baseball player and certified strength and conditioning coach. After the military he helped design the Army's current fitness test.
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The layout and nature of military bases lend theselves to promoting violence Single soldiers living on top of each other in crowded accomodation, yet lots of open spaces. Drink, alcohol, the stress of living with the people you're working with , small stuff gets out of hand. When it gets really out of hand investigators are always looking to declare a death suicide.

In the UK they're discovering that with the new 'super garrisons' which are located in the middle of nowhere, that they've managed to recreate the situation that existed on British Army camps in the 70's and 80's where walking around alone after dark was dangerous.
This has to be a demographics or specific unit issue.

Minor power level but I was in the military during the height of the surge in Iraq stationed on one of the largest bases in the country and literally never encountered any safety issues. Endless alcohol issues of course though.
 
Former Red Squadron Operator Jeff Nichols has made up with Rob O'Neill. Before joining the Navy Nichols was a D1 baseball player and certified strength and conditioning coach. After the military he helped design the Army's current fitness test.
Cool stuff. I'd cool it with the hatchet stuff, but they are the redmen, so I guess it's okay for them. I guess. But why the hell does he hide his face? Is he afraid to show his face because he might be ugly...?
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That is a big fucking neck, for that face. Where's his chin? Anyway, I can appreciate a good tribal tattoo, too bad about the watercolor tattoos. Those are a fucking meme. They age like crap, and they look like you got crayola on your skin after a while. They are only good for the Instagram photo.

Endless alcohol issues of course though.
Yeah, that cannot be any good. Seriously, if we learned something about Rackets is that alcoholism is super-destructive. Perhaps, the issues of "partying hard" after a decade are showing up, and they transform people. What kind of issues were they? The fun, silly ones or the violent ones?
Amazing what a difference HRT makes.
Man, what a fucking twig Josh was. Imagine having less beard than a pooner. That TRT is not powerful enough. Josh, you need a change of gear pronto. Even DJ Shipley, who admittedly cannot hold an M4 without reaching for the painkillers, is more syntholed and swole. (And what are you doing dude, shoot better. I saw the pictures. Don't tell me these fatties were beating ya.)
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MATI TROON/GREEN BERET CROSSOVER
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Basically a retired GB telling a troon he's insane and unfit to serve in a very polite and concise way. Before calling the "Based department" Let's not forget the Army and GB leadership had 20 years to create an Afghani national Army and police and they failed catastrophically. Afghanis hated more the ANA and ANP than the Taliban in many cases. Reasons may be plenty for their failure, but the end result is that they were created for a mission set, and they failed and there are no "well, I tried" consolation prizes in wars. I guess I could be nice and give you one.

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Also, Ronnie, what the fuck is going on with Lt. Col Galen Legrand Huss? Are you going to charge him or not? Or GB Colonels get away with murder without their day in court?
 

Former Red Squadron Operator Jeff Nichols has made up with Rob O'Neill. Before joining the Navy Nichols was a D1 baseball player and certified strength and conditioning coach. After the military he helped design the Army's current fitness test.
You mean the Army Combat Fitness Test which is pretty much universally being declared a failure and despite keeping the name they're basically rolling it back to being push-ups, sit-ups and run like the previous army physical test?

@Justtocheck

Laying the failure of the ANA and ANP on the feet on of the GBs just seems salty to be honest. All the units deployed there were tasked with "Nation Building" and training whatever local military force there was. Didn't matter if you were Army, Marine, Bundeswehr Heer, Royal Marine Commando etc, etc. You were gonna be playing build-an-army while you were there. So by all accounts the quality of the ANA varied wildly depending on who was training them in a given time or area.

The Afghan Commandos though which were directly trained by the GB, some even state side, were well liked and considered pretty competent over all. So credit where credit is due on that one.
 
You mean the Army Combat Fitness Test which is pretty much universally being declared a failure and despite keeping the name they're basically rolling it back to being push-ups, sit-ups and run like the previous army physical test?

@Justtocheck

Laying the failure of the ANA and ANP on the feet on of the GBs just seems salty to be honest. All the units deployed there were tasked with "Nation Building" and training whatever local military force there was. Didn't matter if you were Army, Marine, Bundeswehr Heer, Royal Marine Commando etc, etc. You were gonna be playing build-an-army while you were there. So by all accounts the quality of the ANA varied wildly depending on who was training them in a given time or area.

The Afghan Commandos though which were directly trained by the GB, some even state side, were well liked and considered pretty competent over all. So credit where credit is due on that one.


The test wasn't a failure. It got scrapped because the majority of the force, especially women, couldn't pass. Even though it isn't a hard test for anyone in decent shape.

Oh, really? I thought they just got rid of the leg tug for people who had some sort of abdominal injury or surgery (like a woman with a c-section). To be honest, the part I really like about the ACFT is the hand release push-ups. It avoids the whole silly "No you didn't break 90 degrees", or humping the ground, barely moving the arms and still counting depending on who is watching.

What I heard was that units were complaining that because they lacked the facilities and extra equipment, they couldn't train specifically for the ACFT and got lower scores and lower chances of career advancements.



This is a good interview, with a GB retired Lt. Col. who I actually think is very smart, but he talks about leadership and decision failures in Afghanistan and how a group of civilians basically had to scramble to get Commandos out.

I got you about the GB, my point is not that they don't have smart people or are all bad soldiers. But decisions were made high up that made 20 years of work and many, many billions of dollars go to waste. And people in the GB had 20 years to adapt, change or innovate, so it's not like the failure can be blamed on a single commander, or general, or a bad batch of NCO's, or a single bad decision.

And in contrast to the Army, Marines, Brits, etc. the GB's mission set is to train and help develop local forces. You know about Robin Sage and their language and geopolitical training and focus that no other unit has, right? If your organization, as a whole, in 20 years failed their core mission set, then something important, somewhere, has messed up. And the Afghan Commandos are either in the US, exiled, or dead, so again, that they were competent is another grim "Well, at least I tried" consolation prize star.
 
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The test wasn't a failure. It got scrapped because the majority of the force, especially women, couldn't pass. Even though it isn't a hard test for anyone in decent shape.
> It wasn't a failure
> It got scrapped

Pick one, my guy. The test was scrapped because it was trying to reinvent the wheel and poorly put together from the start. The ACFT simply took too long and required specialist equipment you can't even find at most commercial gyms.

It's very clear to me that you don't actually work out because you'd know something like the deadlift and weight-drag are very techinque heavy and you need to specifically train for those movement to be good at them, unless you want to get injured.

Hand release pushups are a meme and have no benefit over standard push ups.

Medicine ball throw is also a meme that doesn't show much of anything.

The Leg Tuck is fine but you're just gonna end up punishing guys with bigger legs. So you want guys with big legs that can deadlift a lot but at the same time you're gonna give them an exercise that punishes them for it?

The only genuinly good exercise out of that whole block was the farmers carry, because it's a show of grip strength as well as core stability but that was about it.


The only real "bad" thing about the original APFT was that it favorite skinny guys, but the people that were heavier due to muscle wouldn't really have much of an issue with it anyways. The problem was with the fatties and skinny-fats which i'm sure you'd argue they should just get skinny/fit.
 
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