Generation Z, "Ironic" Degeneracy, Sadism, and Discord - Not a fun thread

[3deadniggers]

It is mostly true but the guy is trying to retcon reality by saying that this started in 2008 just because. Things like Occupy Wall Street and Project Chanalogy put the eyes of larger society on the internet, because if you start blasting an airhorn everywhere you go, you will direct attention towards you. And people playing something thinking it gives them insight on some ultra complex knowledge or having incongruent beliefs like the alt-furs is normal, you have to be autistic to get into furfaggotry to begin with, and such people are prone to follow weird ideologies

The idea that being a 'nerd' is mainstream now is also wrong. Star wars was undeniably nerdy in the 80s and it sold extremely well to all audiences. It became a 'nerd' icon through extended media, but it's been normalcore forever. Star trek? It's so nerdy and niche it ran for decades. Dr Who? Same thing. Harry Potter was an extremely well selling book series and still tops sales charts today.

All the 'nerdy stuff' has always been mainstream and people want to deny it to act like they're the OG gangster of Marvel comics. Forgetting that Marvel used to be very popular with the whole family and it was common for adults to read them as well as kids. MCU isn't nerd culture stolen, it's mainstream culture changing mediums after decades of decline to reconnect with it's audience.

 

[AWizard]

All the 'nerdy stuff' has always been mainstream

I disagree.

A good story is a good story, so the original sfx-infused SW making bank isn't surprising, Doctor Who is a British institution that's part of the BBC, it was always going to go on, Harry Potter, again a good story especially to encourage children to pick up and get reading in general and it's another British institution with large budget films so that's also helped it's popularity.

Star trek? It's so nerdy and niche it ran for decades.

Wasn't the original series almost cancelled because it had low ratings and only got picked up again because of small but strong following? Series don't need massive followings to keep running. Besides Star Trek got dumbed down in recent years (probably more than a decade now) to reach a wider audience to the show's detriment.

I think what separated the nerds from the mainstream was getting invested in the world-building, minutia, the expanded universes, the science (of sci fi), getting deeper into the sub-genres of "geeky" stuff etc. So while there were "nerdy" things that appeared in the mainstream like say a movie of a comic, I don't think the average person went deeper than the (blockbuster) movies, a licensed videogame or maybe an issue or two of said comic. I doubt many of them were scouring comic book shops, visiting forums, spending money on expensive merchandise, going to cons etc. A lot of that takes way more money and effort that many people weren't willing to spend. It'd also mean they'd miss out other titles/franchises that didn't hit the mainstream.

it was common for adults to read them as well as kids.

i don't know if you remember Harry Potter books way back when used to (maybe they still do) have an "adult" cover version of the books because adults were embarrassed to be seen reading a book aimed squarely at children? I'm not saying adults didn't read comics.

We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this. Maybe perception is different depending on where and when you grew up.

it's mainstream culture changing mediums after decades of decline to reconnect with it's audience.

I think it's nerd culture becoming easier to digest and monetarily more palatable for the mainstream. People complain about wokeshit invading geek stuff but that's only part of the problem, the dumbing down is the other part.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I think it's nerd culture becoming easier to digest and monetarily more palatable for the mainstream. People complain about wokeshit invading geek stuff but that's only part of the problem, the dumbing down is the other part.

I don't think that nerd culture can be more easily digestible than having them right alongside the newspapers like they used to do with comics during the golden age. Or appearing in prime time television like with Star Trek.

I think it has more to do with how the medium is presented than with its popularity. For example, cable news as we know them today didn't exist before the First Gulf War, but that doesn't mean that people didn't watch news on their TVs, a 50s salaryman knew what a Superman was, and he most likely bought it for his kids alongside his daily newspaper, but things like an intricated lore and widespread crossovering that's commonplace in the medium only became the norm in the 60s, and all of this reboots and massive compendium/limited series format started with DC's Crisis on Earth-[X]

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

Another part of this phenomena is Chris Chan getting more popular ever since the incest leaks. Zoomers especially have this pathological obsession with forcing the "Next Chris Chan" into existence and certain people will descent like a pack of rabid hyenas on a target if they think that person will give them what they want. Most of the time that just becomes weening/failtrolling or some half assed gayop that ends up imploding. But other times, you end up with people who actively enable a lolcow's worst traits and goad them into committing literal crimes for tiktok clout. This shit has gotten so bad that even "normal" mentally ill people need to be guarded on the internet so they don't fall for this manipulation. Common sense and a high IQ go a long way, but not everyone has those things.

 

[plattschwanz]

I think it's nerd culture becoming easier to digest and monetarily more palatable for the mainstream.

You write about "nerd culture" as if it were some kind of monolithic movement.

You can still be into niche topics like Linux ricing or train spotting today, topics that require a certain dedication and that the majority of people will still find peculiar or have no interest in. That's what should constitute being nerdy, not sitting in front of a screen consuming entertainment products. Any retard can do that.

And it's not surprising that people who want to sell products like movies or comics want to reach a broader audience because that means more money. That's why you shouldn't base your entire personality and culture around products that are produced by companies whose main goal is profit.

 

[3deadniggers]

I think it's nerd culture becoming easier to digest and monetarily more palatable for the mainstream. People complain about wokeshit invading geek stuff but that's only part of the problem, the dumbing down is the other part.

Nerd culture was always easy to digest. Half the nerds I used to know had barely above retarded IQs. There was always a mix between very smart but socially awkward nerds and barely functioning retards who drooled over the latest star wars figure.

This shit has gotten so bad that even "normal" mentally ill people need to be guarded on the internet so they don't fall for this manipulation. Common sense and a high IQ go a long way, but not everyone has those things.

Even normal people have to be careful now. Zoomers are weaponizing tiktok against everyone. They intentionally annoy people and try to film their reaction so they can upload it to tiktok and claim abuse. Recently a lady told me she was on the train and a group of girls were filming passengers and trying to record their phone screens. They know they're going to get a really bad reaction to invading people's privacy like that and they can share your face all over the internet as person who told a bunch of teenage girls to fuck off. Zoomers are a really nasty and spiteful generation and most of them lack a proper home to beat it out of them, so they're getting worse as they get older.

 

[Space Police]

Zoomers are weaponizing tiktok against everyone. They intentionally annoy people and try to film their reaction so they can upload it to tiktok and claim abuse.

So a whole generation of Andy Ditches?

 

[Carpenter Trout]

They intentionally annoy people and try to film their reaction so they can upload it to tiktok and claim abuse
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so they're getting worse as they get older

I agree with that, but some of these are going to end up like the Prankster era of retards.
Where people started holding them accountable for their actions and those idiots collectively peed their pants.
Empty threats that can easily be solved by someone with nothing to lose. The moment they piss off Street Tyrone they're gonna change tactics.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Where people started holding them accountable for their actions and those idiots collectively peed their pants.

Didn't people say the same about SJWs like 10 years ago?

 

[Carpenter Trout]

Didn't people say the same about SJWs like 10 years ago?

I'm mostly referring to the video part in particular:

They intentionally annoy people and try to film their reaction so they can upload it to tiktok and claim abuse

Can you see video makers still shitting out ""prank"" videos every 5 minutes like it was about 10 years ago?
Comparing someone baiting for video reaction (exactly like those prankers did in the early 2010s) to SJWs is, in my opinion, like comparing apples to oranges. Although I'm not too fond with what's going on in tiktok lately since I don't have it, so I may be completely wrong.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Can you see video makers still shitting out ""prank"" videos every 5 minutes like it was about 10 years ago?

Johnny Somali basically did that

 

[3deadniggers]

Can you see video makers still shitting out ""prank"" videos every 5 minutes like it was about 10 years ago?
Comparing someone baiting for video reaction (exactly like those prankers did in the early 2010s) to SJWs is, in my opinion, like comparing apples to oranges. Although I'm not too fond with what's going on in tiktok lately since I don't have it, so I may be completely wrong.

It's not pranks at all. Pranks are supposed to make you laugh and are mostly faked on youtube. This is a bitch intentionally pissing someone off and filming them so they get doxed by simps and get all the shit you get when doxed by psychos. They're not trying to fool people into being made to look silly, they're looking to find a 'Karen' to scream at them so they can cry crocodile tears and get their followers to go after them.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

Another part of this phenomena is Chris Chan getting more popular ever since the incest leaks. Zoomers especially have this pathological obsession with forcing the "Next Chris Chan" into existence and certain people will descent like a pack of rabid hyenas on a target if they think that person will give them what they want. Most of the time that just becomes weening/failtrolling or some half assed gayop that ends up imploding. But other times, you end up with people who actively enable a lolcow's worst traits and goad them into committing literal crimes for tiktok clout. This shit has gotten so bad that even "normal" mentally ill people need to be guarded on the internet so they don't fall for this manipulation. Common sense and a high IQ go a long way, but not everyone has those things.

This "phenomenon" has existed for nearly two decades and you're using a website that often enables it.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

This "phenomenon" has existed for nearly two decades and you're using a website that often enables it.

Five years here, and you're still a newfag. Shamefur dispray

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

Johnny Somali basically did that

Johnny Somali made all the Japanese boomers think that's what all livestreamers are like, thanks to all the media coverage of that disaster.

Even normal people have to be careful now. Zoomers are weaponizing tiktok against everyone. They intentionally annoy people and try to film their reaction so they can upload it to tiktok and claim abuse. Recently a lady told me she was on the train and a group of girls were filming passengers and trying to record their phone screens. They know they're going to get a really bad reaction to invading people's privacy like that and they can share your face all over the internet as person who told a bunch of teenage girls to fuck off. Zoomers are a really nasty and spiteful generation and most of them lack a proper home to beat it out of them, so they're getting worse as they get older.

I'll preface this with a #notallzoomers because I'm technically one, but holy SHIT, a good chunk of this generation is just overgrown teenagers with stunted emotional maturity. The lockdown was just the final nail in the coffin for their arrested development because negligent gen X parents and social media being completely unregulated already did a number on my generation. This shit it turning into a Clockwork Orange with smartphones. No wonder people seem so closed off and anxious these days. This is probably why school districts and some state governments are proposing banning social media and/or smartphones for anyone under a certain age.

This "phenomenon" has existed for nearly two decades and you're using a website that often enables it.

Except we're professionals and as the TF2 sniper once said, "Professionals have standards!".

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

Five years here, and you're still a newfag. Shamefur dispray

It all boils down to the same shit where dedicated thread followers try to goad eccentric people into being the next Chris-Chan. The amount of threads where this isn't the case are rare. The hyena effect he describes happens just as frequently on this site.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

This is probably why school districts and some state governments are proposing banning social media and/or smartphones for anyone under a certain age.

Seeing iPad kids makes me fearful of what's to come, to be honest. This has been most likely said by the OP, but the amount of content that's not for kids, that's readily aviable for kids is sickening; the entirety of Twitter, starting from the moment you create an account, makes you be literally five clicks away at most from pornographic images, there's porn bots that infest almost all Youtube comment sections, as well as people that use their accounts solely with the purpouse of reposting drawn pornography/voicing lewd comics/content, Discord is a breeding ground for groomers, Facebook is basically doxxing central, Twitch had actual nudity pushed to the front page for almost half a month during last november, gacha games can be accessed in an instant, DeviantArt is, well, DeviantArt. And so on and so on.

Kiwi Farms is ironically and sadly one of the safest places for a kid to be in. Primarily because the people here have some actual restraint and don't let their autism shiny too much, all porn and violent is always spoilered and kept within specific threads, lolicon, shotacons and groomers are shunned and driven out, spergs and schizos are mocked, minors are encouraged to leave. You can't reliably see that on almost any other website, and that's shameful

It all boils down to the same shit where dedicated thread followers try to goad eccentric people into being the next Chris-Chan. The amount of threads where this isn't the case are rare. The hyena effect he describes happens just as frequently on this site.

Of course we are all searching for the next Chris Chan, we are not making them. Lolcows are not to be interacted with outside of the website.

Nobody dialed @FuckYou's phone number and told him to cause a mass shooting. Nobody went to @BoxerShorts47 and told him to support child rape. Nobody approached Nick Rekieta and gave him 25 grams of coke. All of what they did they did on their own volition, which is actually unlike the Chris Chan stuff because he was actually influenced by weens and trolls constantly

 

[3deadniggers]

I'm not going to say you should go around showing kids porn obviously but today we often underestimate kids ability to enjoy disturbing content. There are loads of really fucked up PG movies from the 80s full of gore, violence and even some sexual stuff. Elsagate isn't good but it's not some world ruining experience where a kid can never recover.

Kiwi Farms is ironically and sadly one of the safest places for a kid to be in. Primarily because the people here have some actual restraint and don't let their autism shiny too much, all porn and violent is always spoilered and kept within specific threads, lolicon, shotacons and groomers are shunned and driven out, spergs and schizos are mocked, minors are encouraged to leave. You can't reliably see that on almost any other website, and that's shameful

The farms has it's fair share of predators and sex pests. You're going to disagree on this but the forum has an active vtuber thread and all vtuber fans are whacking it to grown women pretending to be children. The lolicons aren't shunned as much as they should be.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

Seeing iPad kids makes me fearful of what's to come, to be honest. This has been most likely said by the OP, but the amount of content that's not for kids, that's readily aviable for kids is sickening; the entirety of Twitter, starting from the moment you create an account, makes you be literally five clicks away at most from pornographic images, there's porn bots that infest almost all Youtube comment sections, as well as people that use their accounts solely with the purpouse of reposting drawn pornography/voicing lewd comics/content, Discord is a breeding ground for groomers, Facebook is basically doxxing central, Twitch had actual nudity pushed to the front page for almost half a month during last november, gacha games can be accessed in an instant, DeviantArt is, well, DeviantArt. And so on and so on.

Kiwi Farms is ironically and sadly one of the safest places for a kid to be in. Primarily because the people here have some actual restraint and don't let their autism shiny too much, all porn and violent is always spoilered and kept within specific threads, lolicon, shotacons and groomers are shunned and driven out, spergs and schizos are mocked, minors are encouraged to leave. You can't reliably see that on almost any other website, and that's shameful


Of course we are all searching for the next Chris Chan, we are not making them. Lolcows are not to be interacted with outside of the website.

Nobody dialed @FuckYou's phone number and told him to cause a mass shooting. Nobody went to @BoxerShorts47 and told him to support child rape. Nobody approached Nick Rekieta and gave him 25 grams of coke. All of what they did they did on their own volition, which is actually unlike the Chris Chan stuff because he was actually influenced by weens and trolls constantly

I swear this era is going to be studied as an example of how not to raise children if human civilization survives the next century.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I'm not going to say you should go around showing kids porn obviously but today we often underestimate kids ability to enjoy disturbing content. There are loads of really fucked up PG movies from the 80s full of gore, violence and even some sexual stuff. Elsagate isn't good but it's not some world ruining experience where a kid can never recover.

Yes, but it isn't as if a kid could just go to their local Blockbuster/its UK equivalent and buy Watership Down. Kids that are of PG age were almost never left to their own devices with content that could cause them harm, as well as the parents being present most of the times that their kids saw such content, and most adult TV channels being inaccessible unless you paid for them, and also with parental controls being decently good. With a phone it is almost a 180, you can access a lot of porn sites without even needing to click the "I'm 18" button, they just assume that you are 18 by the simple fact that you are there.

The farms has it's fair share of predators and sex pests. You're going to disagree on this but the forum has an active vtuber thread and all vtuber fans are whacking it to grown women pretending to be children. The lolicons aren't shunned as much as they should be.

Yeah, but the VTuber fans are most of the times contained in that thread, they don't go out that much, and if you go to that thread you most likely already know what a VTiber is, unless it gets featured like in last week's MATI. I have seen people on Youtube with pornographic pfps commenting on music and history videos, you will most likely not see that here