Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The point wouldn't be for the judge to actually grant it, it would be the rhetorical point of showing how much Greer has cost Null with his endless pro se bullshit and how badly this needs to end already

Judges don't like rhetorical filings (though apparently they love pro se retard rhetorical filings) so it might be a bad move.

It's the kind of thing you mention to Hardin and he implies it now and then.

Anyway the retard discussion is because not much is happening and we have to torture the board lawyers somehow.

And who knows, someone may have a retard idea that actually happens.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

I have come up with another plan and basically told Hardin to ignore anything he feels is the most correct and instead file some nonsense exactly as I want it because I've realized that the only thing happening right now is feelings dressed up with court decorum. I believe my plan will work.

CWC! Object to this transfer within 14 days so Utah Judge can tell Florida "Sorry, but they objected in a timely manner so my hands are tied until you decide on the case already transferred, and if you still give the same answer I'll just say you didn't consider it enough and transfer the case back for you to consider it some more! But if you send it back and they object..."

Null, are you actually planning to file a retarded motion in support of Greer's motion to stay in Utah?

Null's total nonsense the way he wants it filing should be:

Motion to dismiss for THE COURT'S failure to prosecute

Mr. Greer has been told he must participate in this case, but the very court that ordered him to do so isn't blameless. Whether it be the at district level, appellate level, the Supreme Court of the United States, Utah or Florida, the courts have made it clear by both action and admission that it wants nothing to do with this case. Simple motions from JANUARY go unanswered as more pile up, including having to repeatedly point out that plaintiff has an invalid address and consistently gives erroneous certificates of service, but the only motions answered were motions to transfer, so that several pending motions, despite plaintiff not even contesting them, have gone unanswered across state lines TWICE. And in two states and three levels of court, judges, whether by refusing to take the case or recusing herself or transferring the case, have shown a desperation to avoid taking any action on this docket unless it is to send it away from themselves. In the case of the transfers, BOTH JUDGES admitted that they felt the transfer from Utah to Florida and from Florida to Utah were improper and against established Supreme Court of the United States case law, but transferred anyway, as Mr. Greer put it, "out of pure bias against plaintiff". As we have scolded Greer for refusing to participate and seeking constant delay, telling him if he doesn't wish to participate in litigation then the only course is to withdraw his suit, we now tell the courts that if no judge wants to go to the effort of hearing this case, then the only appropriate action is to dismiss it with prejudice. THE COURT MUST PARTICIPATE IN THIS CASE

@Null
Do you think if you went to an eastern european loony bin doctor and got him to declare you mentally retarded that youd win the case automatically? Or is the risk not worth it because they might move you from a commie block with a kebab store to a padded cell without your fellow kiwischizos around?

I hope it's a forty-page compilation of screenshots from Russell's Instagram and Facebook, ideally including a picture of Hitler.

This is Null's plan: he's going to set a date for an in person hearing and to get Russ to show up, Taylor Swift will be on his list of witnesses. Russ would fall for something like that.

I think you could reasonably call Taylor Swift as a witness to Russ's vexatious litigation. Of course, she'd just send representation, her legal people probably choosing Skordas again, which would be all for the better as he'd be the one who dealt with and has the files on Russell's Swift suits, as well as Ariana Grande. Or would it be a conflict of interests for the witness to Russ's frivolous suits against other people to also be a former attorney of the current defendant?

This is wild. If Null is actually serious about going full retard, maybe he should be the one seeking a writ of mandamus.

At this point itd probably be better to just spam motions to dismiss for fucking failure to prosecute. This case shouldve died long ago if the appeals court wasnt full of drooling retards.

Should really just try and get Greer to agree to take this to Judge Judy.

Show up to court with your head shaved, an autism shirt, and those aluminum crutches the leg cripples use. Spit and slur utter nonsense for 2 minutes until Hardin puts his hand on your shoulder and quietly explains to the judge how Greer is trying to extort a poor disabled man over free speech.

In order to defeat the retard cripple, you must become the retard cripple.

I hope the "not that retarded" filing is a request to boot Greer off of ECF in Utah.

I think this could work, even though Russ is actually electronically filing through the clerk as a special arrangement, if Hardin argued the Clerk doing so is basically the court acting as Russ's lawyer. Hardin could also challenge his In Forma Pauperis so that Russ would have to actually pay fees for every filing

I think I've got it! Null's "not that retarded" filing will be paying for Russell's lawyer!

And who knows, someone may have a retard idea that actually happens.

I don't think any of our ideas are actually going to be Null's "not that retarded" filing, but hopefully we've given him another 12 ideas!

 

[waffle]

If I were this judge, I would be absolutely furious that some retarded bulldyke in Florida was ordering me to do something, like this cunt is somehow an appeals court judge who gets to order other courts what to do.

I'd just sign an order to transfer it back immediately with one citation about how transfers are final.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I'd just sign an order to transfer it back immediately with one citation about how transfers are final.

In the style of Greer, attachment A should be:

 

[Debbie Macomber]

It's ironic that Russell said Null and Hardin tricked the court into an "improper" and "illegal" transfer without "empathy" "out of pure bias" when none of that at all applied to his situation in the Utah-Florida transfer, but perfectly describes Russell's Florida-Utah transfer and how it impacts Null

 

[.iota.]

I have raised that point earlier as well. I genuinely believe it would be a breach of ethics for the lawyer to accept such payments, regardless of whether or not Utah R. Prof. Cond. 1.7 and 1.8 waiver applies or not (I think as written it shouldn't, but it could), and I sincerely believe it would be a breach of Mr. Hardin's ethics to cosign on such a plan.

i would think that this would also be a breach (of trust, if not of the actual legal terms) of the litigation fund.

 

[Napoleon III]

I'd just sign an order to transfer it back immediately with one citation about how transfers are final.

Utah likely really doesn't want to deal with this shit. Once Null and Hardin find an easy way for the judge to dismiss this case with prejudice he will likely take it in a heartbeat.

I've realized from this case that the best way to get somebody in some kind of bureaucratic organization to do what you want is to set up a situation where doing what you want is the easiest possible solution for them.

More specifically I think Hardin should follow a dual approach where he slowly in the background sets up a good enough argument that this lawsuit is complete and utter bullshit and Greer is vexatious. While he is doing that he also should try and go for small tactical wins that could quickly finish the case. Be both the rock and the scissors in the most retarded game of rock, paper, scissors possible.

I think this has been the basic strategy of Hardin though I think he made a mistake with a change of venue to Florida. It was the sort of thing that was perfect in theory but because the real world is so messy it failed and wasted everyone's time and money for no reason(though now Utah is pissed off about this which is good so negative ROI but not that negative).

There was a brief period of time where this strategy was beginning to do its work and the Utah court was looking like it was ready to end this case in the next month or two, but then it got transferred to Florida. You have a workable strategy and you should treat things that let Greer worm and crawl his way out of things as massive problems you must avoid.



Hardin couldn't see the possible interaction between his client's reputation and court's lack of desire to deal with this dumb shit. I critique him but I could see myself making the same mistake easily, it is hard to think that far ahead especially in a lawsuit like this.

 

[FrancineCansMcGee]

Can we blame him for Florida though? It looks to me like either the Utah judge or the Florida judge just straight fucked up doing their job here.

 

[waffle]

I've realized from this case that the best way to get somebody in some kind of bureaucratic organization to do what you want is to set up a situation where doing what you want is the easiest possible solution for them.

There is something to that. I learned really early in my practice that the way to win associate circuit civil matters (cases under $25,000, with slightly streamlined procedures, and almost all bench trials) was to make it too much work for the judge for you to loose by filing a bunch of written motions to be taken up with the trial and demanding findings of fact and conclusions of law on them. Then it turns into "you know what counselor, I'm not convinced they proved that credit card bill either".

 

[Pedophobe]

Once Null and Hardin find an easy way for the judge to dismiss this case with prejudice he will likely take it in a heartbeat.

There's at least two motions to dismiss pending but the courts have been ignoring them for months.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/greer-v-moon-no-20-cv-00647-d-utah-sep-16-2020.174285/post-17532166

 

[Napoleon III]

There's at least two motions to dismiss pending but the courts have been ignoring them for months.

It's not enough to merely file them the judge has to be able to rule favorably on them and know with a reasonable degree of certainty that the ruling will not be overturned on appeal.

There are unwritten rules in legal procedure. The judge cannot simply dismiss anything he wants he has to be able to show cause.

The Florida court could do what it did because it knew that the appeals court wouldn't overturn it even if it should.

Can we blame him for Florida though? It looks to me like either the Utah judge or the Florida judge just straight fucked up doing their job here.

He should have known that the judge doing something like this was possible. Granted this is extremely difficult and I didn't know until the Florida court cancelled the scheduling hearing that this was possible.

I still think Hardin is a fantastic lawyer, but he made a mistake, not a fatal one at all and considering the painful nature of this case not even that big of one.

 

[FrancineCansMcGee]

not a lawyer so I’m just talking out my ass but I don’t see how it’s a good idea to build all your legal strategies around “Oh gee maybe the judge is a retard.”’ That will work if the judge is a retard but can backfire in other ways if they aren’t.

 

[TractorGirl]

Retarded suggestion #357: get Taylor to sue him for libel or defamation for the book and get it removed from Amazon, making the copyright link null and void.

 

[Napoleon III]

not a lawyer so I’m just talking out my ass but I don’t see how it’s a good idea to build all your legal strategies around “Oh gee maybe the judge is a retard.”’ That will work if the judge is a retard but can backfire in other ways if they aren’t.

I don't think the Florida Judge is retarded. Evil or "ethically questionable" in legal speak sure but what will be the consequences for the Florida judge?

Nothing, they got out of this basically fine.

Does it have make the law more retarded and dumb certainly. But the going value for the long term health of the law has been extremely cheap as of late.

 

[Pedophobe]

It's not enough to merely file them the judge has to be able to rule favorably on them and know with a reasonable degree of certainty that the ruling will not be overturned on appeal.

There are unwritten rules in legal procedure. The judge cannot simply dismiss anything he wants he has to be able to show cause.

Well if the court doesn't want to approve the motions they can deny them but instead they're just being allowed to linger for now. Maybe after dealing with the change of judges, the change of circuits, the change back to the other circuit, Russell's meandering nonsense filings and the slapfight over address for service the court might get around to looking at it eventually.

"The hardship... the hardship..."

 

[The Un-Clit]

Retarded suggestion #357: get Taylor to sue him for libel or defamation for the book and get it removed from Amazon, making the copyright link null and void.

Wouldn't help with past infringement, only potential future 'losses'.

 

[RodgerDodger]

There are unwritten rules in legal procedure. The judge cannot simply dismiss anything he wants he has to be able to show cause.

Failure to Prosecute is one of those dismissals that is unlikely to bounce back on appeal. The Plaintiff, the willfully moving party blows deadline after deadline. Years after initiating the case still refuses to do a scheduling conference when ordered to do so. And refuses to provide the court with a valid location of service. It's a gimme.

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

I think you could reasonably call Taylor Swift as a witness to Russ's vexatious litigation. Of course, she'd just send representation, her legal people probably choosing Skordas again, which would be all for the better as he'd be the one who dealt with and has the files on Russell's Swift suits, as well as Ariana Grande. Or would it be a conflict of interests for the witness to Russ's frivolous suits against other people to also be a former attorney of the current defendant?

Minor point: Skordas worked for Null on this and produced less than stellar results. His credentials may be over-valued--or he just worked harder for TayTay.

 

[DHugo]

Minor point: Skordas worked for Null on this and produced less than stellar results. His credentials may be over-valued--or he just worked harder for TayTay.

If I remember correctly Null said he did alright in the beginning, but since he got paid a fixed amount he started getting lazy.
He does dislike Russell quite a bit so he got on cases against him not involving Taytay, but after a while it gets boring I suppose.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Minor point: Skordas worked for Null on this and produced less than stellar results. His credentials may be over-valued--or he just worked harder for TayTay.

He did okay. The case was dismissed. But then DJF swooped in to scalp an appellate case.