Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[UNIXLover]

your business gets 80% of its revenue from its competitor, you do not have full control over your product

Firefox does not compete with Google Search. It is common for 2 companies to both be partners and competitors at the same time. It's obvious that Mozilla won't have full control over the product, as Google didn't donate the money, but there is a contract in place for what Mozilla's obligations are. I believe it is unlikely that there is obligation to remain on gecko, and suspect the actual requirements on the product are at the user facing level of making Google the default search provider.

I am absolutely certain that Mozilla would not be allowed to switch to Chromium.

Why are you so certain? Opera already did exactly this. They had an ad revenue sharing agreement with Google, they switched the browser engine of Opera to Chromium, and Google didn't terminate their revenue sharing agreement.

The fact that Microsoft aren't interested in Firefox is PROOF that everything is above board, guys.

It's not fact. https://www.theinformation.com/arti...fox-search-deal-as-bing-chatbot-gains-sputter
The ads for a Google search generate more revenue than the ads for a Bing search which gives Google the advantage when making a bid.

 

[sweater_supremacy]

underbid Bing

bing is not a web browser it is a search engine

 

[Waifu Denier]

It's obvious that Mozilla won't have full control over the product, as Google didn't donate the money, but there is a contract in place for what Mozilla's obligations are. I believe it is unlikely that there is obligation to remain on gecko, and suspect the actual requirements on the product are at the user facing level of making Google the default search provider.

Business don't work just on pure contracts. if a company is making the vast majority of its revenue from one source, even without any specific directive it will take this fact into account for any major decisions that going against this source, that them pulling out will bankrupt your entire enterprise.

 

[Hall of Cost Payer]

Considering they haven't added more customization capabilities to the extensions API Mozilla has likely determined that most of their users do not actually prioritize such features to justify the cost of adding and maintaining them.

I mean, technically you're right, but considering how tiny Firefox's userbase is rightnow, it kinda doesn't matter what "their users prioritize".

We can of course debate whatcame first, theloss of users or the degrading quality of the XUL API.

I think about this to. I'm not sure if Mozilla actually gets that much of a benefit of maintaining and entirely separate browser engine. Instead of doing duplicate work, why not become a fork of chromium so Mozilla can dedicate all of their resources into creating differentiating features for their browser. Since it's open source they still have the same control as they once did. If they don't want to enable some API or want to implement it slightly differently they are free to make the change. Microsoft and Opera already successfully pulled this off.

In any other situation I'd agree withyoy, why maintain a product, spending tons of engineering hours, days, months yeara, if they could just use another open source project?

But the web is a bit special in that regard, having multiple, independent and valid implementations is important for the W3C and people in the surrounding circles.

So much so, that they scrapped an entire feature proposal, "WebSQL" (or what it was called), simply for the reason that all implementors used SQLite. And a bug in that common dependency would affect all users and basically make the web insecure/ potentially hostile for all users.

 

[WhiteNight]

XUL lives on in Pale Moon, for which there is a drama thread here:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/palemoon-dev-tobin-ntp-new-tobin-paradigm-leaves-the-project.114903/

https://www.palemoon.org/

 

[teriyakiburns]

But the web is a bit special in that regard, having multiple, independent and valid implementations is important for the W3C and people in the surrounding circles.

This is why I was disappointed when MS dropped their original Edge browser for Yet Another Chrome Reskin. It may have been a bit shit, but it was independent shit. Now they're permanently bound to either abide by whatever engine decisions Goog's chromium project makes, or they're bound to implement an ever-growing set of patches to keep them out.

We're right back to the days when a site would be written to target a specific browser rather than universal standards, only now the browser is chrome instead of IE6. I've been in this game long enough to remember when the entire concept of the web browser was revolutionary, before Microsoft's total dominance stagnated the web for more than a decade. Chrome is already doing the same, by drawing ever more focus into the soft-walled google garden and neutering anything that isn't approved or sponsored by google.

If Mozilla could just fix that one memory leak issue, and stop hiring socjus retards, maybe things could improve again.

 

[Don Yagon]

Microsoft's total dominance stagnated the web for more than a decade

I wish it stangnated the web for more. No "webapps", no pages with static text that require tens of megabytes of JS to even show up. Just content presented in a proper utilitarian way.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I wish it stangnated the web for more. No "webapps", no pages with static text that require tens of megabytes of JS to even show up. Just content presented in a proper utilitarian way.

Except tables were broken in IE6. That meant getting a consistent, basic layout across browsers meant adding a bunch of extra testing shit to fix the layout for IE, which wasn't updated to address the problem for years.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

Except tables were broken in IE6. That meant getting a consistent, basic layout across browsers meant adding a bunch of extra testing shit to fix the layout for IE, which wasn't updated to address the problem for years.

Wasn't it the box model? It's been a long, long time since I had to worry about such things (thank God), but I seem to remember that they misimplemented margin and padding in CSS.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Wasn't it the box model? It's been a long, long time since I had to worry about such things (thank God), but I seem to remember that they misimplemented margin and padding in CSS.

Yep. It broke a lot of things, but it had a particularly nasty effect on tables if you didn't apply the right microsoft-specific incantations. IE also, to its dying day, had an unpredictable display bug that would, in most but not all circumstances, add a margin to the bottom of the document unless you set the body line height and font size to 0. Which meant wrapping all your content in a div to reset back to the correct font size again.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

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I'm not reading all that about Mozilla, but I will say I'm using Firefox more often now that it's very trivial to install it and then an ad blocker that actually works. Whereas Chrome ones seem to be gimped by ManifestV3 and the most popular ones have nag screens. I don't think I have any memory leak problems, but I have 32 GB of RAM.

 

[UNIXLover]

GNOME Software To Better Support NVIDIA's Proprietary Linux Driver

The rest of the industry figured out secure boot a decade ago. What Fedora is doing here is a joke. If the user is able to install an arbitrary kernel driver, then malware can install an arbitrary kernel driver, which defeates the purpose of secure boot. It's like they only care about checking the box of supporting secure boot without actually caring about providing their users security.

 

[DavidS877]

The rest of the industry figured out secure boot a decade ago. What Fedora is doing here is a joke. If the user is able to install an arbitrary kernel driver, then malware can install an arbitrary kernel driver, which defeates the purpose of secure boot. It's like they only care about checking the box of supporting secure boot without actually caring about providing their users security.

It appears to be the same as every other distribution that supports DKMS drivers like Nvidia. There may be a mechanism for the local DKMS key to be encrypted so you have to provide a password for each module recompile and random root apps can't use the key. but I'm not aware of something like that in use. Certainly none of my Secureboot systems prompt when they recompile for new kernels.

 

[Old English Roast Beef]

I wish it stangnated the web for more. No "webapps", no pages with static text that require tens of megabytes of JS to even show up. Just content presented in a proper utilitarian way.

You have to install the Macromedia Shockwave plugin to view this website, we made a cool intro and everything.

 

[anustart76]

Chrome is already doing the same, by drawing ever more focus into the soft-walled google garden and neutering anything that isn't approved or sponsored by google.

It's even worse; Google is throwing its weight around, both financially and with Chrome's massive market share, to directly influence what comes out of the W3C.

 

[RGBCube]

One of his pillars is "no politics"? Too bad open source is so pozzed that many deranged minds (ie trannies) see "no politics" and immediately associate it with being right-wing for no good reason.

They believe "no politics" is inherently right-wing. I have seen them argue about this for hours on end.

Same people who think BMI and IQ are racist, btw.

 

[sweater_supremacy]

Same people who think BMI and IQ are racist

and fbi statitics

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

It's even worse; Google is throwing its weight around, both financially and with Chrome's massive market share, to directly influence what comes out of the W3C.

And since the web is a now "living standard" (read: not a standard) by Google's hand, it's almost impossible to get a new competitor into the fray because the burden on implementations grows every day. The death of Presto was the beginning of the end here.

The rest of the industry figured out secure boot a decade ago. What Fedora is doing here is a joke. If the user is able to install an arbitrary kernel driver, then malware can install an arbitrary kernel driver, which defeates the purpose of secure boot.

But the point of SecureBoot was to frustrate OSes that aren't Windows or OSX, sounds like it's working as intended.

 

[RGBCube]

Jon Ringer, after his ban that he got for engaging in wrongthink and disagreeing ended, asked for his commit rights (to the nixpkgs repository) back in private and got told to ask in public. He then continued to do so, which was accepted & his rights were subsequently relitigated. This resulted in Samueldr and other less important maintainers leaving NixOS:

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/321436 (maintainers: Drop samueldr) (you can see other maintainers leaving by inspecting the history of the file)

Samuel has also committed sabotage, not just removing himself as a maintainer, but entire packages without review. Typical enraged baby behavior: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/321436/files

This then resulted in Jon Ringer getting permanently banned, just for getting his status back after his ban expired:

https://discourse.nixos.org/t/constitutional-assembly-statement-on-jon-ringer/47393

From the assembly post about Jon Ringer:

we don't think it's healthy

Healthy to what exactly? Seek justice? Hold corrupt authority accountable?

Commit related to the ban of jonringer, see how there is no transparency other than "he was banned indefinitely": https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/45fd7069adf91063d3e95c44fe3d1ae2eba364a2

Oh look! Would you look at that:

Bonus: Samuel going insane. Someone should really help him:

There was a thread about this in 4chan, though a lot lower in quality discussion: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/101085027

 

[WhiteNight]

Jon Ringer, after his ban that he got for engaging in wrongthink and disagreeing ended, asked for his commit rights (to the nixpkgs repository) back in private and got told to ask in public.

It should be noted that he asked for his commit rights back because his suspension was supposed to be for six weeks.

From his screenshot asking in private:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1djuxpx/drama_will_jonringers_commit_bit_be_restored/l9dzht8/?context=2