Are we in the age of covert biowarfare? - Why a high school simulation exercise has got my noggin joggin

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Nobody has been nuked for covid, gruinard island, or the experiments the British and American governments have admitted to conducting on their own citizens.
Deniability is part of the appeal.
I’m not sure if you’re Israeli? I’ve worked with a few groups there over the years. (And enjoyed doing so, they were fun, slightly mad but ok.) all on very ‘safe’ projects for illnesses, not weapons work just to be clear.

Anyway, Israel is absolutely rabid about taking genetic samples out of the country. You cannot do it without a million approvals and mainly you can’t do it at all. If you want to test if a patient has a specific mutation you need to convince all sorts of ethics board of the need to take a sample and they will only let you ship them to certain places. Looking back on this, o can see why they do not want the genetic data of their people in foreign hands.
Remember during coof when they (uk ) were caught selling used test swabs to a genetics company?

With COVID the first victim was the country that made it, so kinda hard to nuke it in response. But a super disease that is genetically targeting a country's main demographic justifies pretty much every response if it's clear who designed it.

 

[Otterly]

With COVID the first victim was the country that made it, so kinda hard to nuke it in response. But a super disease that is genetically targeting a country's main demographic justifies pretty much every response if it's clear who designed it.

I agree, it’s bioterrorism. The thing is how could you be sure? No ones figured out who released omicron yet.
The fact that Americans are mutted - I have wondered if there’s a slight push for that from people who understand how vulnerable a genetically similar population would be.
This stuff, the tinkering with plagues to target them, is definitely happening though. It’s an abomination, but if you couch it in defensive terms against ‘their’ ethnic bioweapons suddenly it’s OK.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I agree, it’s bioterrorism. The thing is how could you be sure? No ones figured out who released omicron yet.
The fact that Americans are mutted - I have wondered if there’s a slight push for that from people who understand how vulnerable a genetically similar population would be.
This stuff, the tinkering with plagues to target them, is definitely happening though. It’s an abomination, but if you couch it in defensive terms against ‘their’ ethnic bioweapons suddenly it’s OK.

The original COVID started in their backyard next to their chemical lab, it's as clear case as possible. I thought the omicron was the benign variant of the diseases? As for research like everything you risk a lot not engaging in research

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

how would you even target Americans, who are the muttiest of them all?

Easy, go by a combined BMI and melanin score. Maybe add low T into the mix.

Wait, that's basically the original variant of covid. Oops.

Not even kidding, it's all there:
Race: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...rs/coronavirus-infection-by-race/faq-20488802
Weight: https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html
Testosterone: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9537909/

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Easy, go by a combined BMI and melanin score. Maybe add low T into the mix.

Wait, that's basically the original variant of covid. Oops.

Not even kidding, it's all there:
Race: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...rs/coronavirus-infection-by-race/faq-20488802
Weight: https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html
Testosterone: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9537909/

Weren't they infected due to having pretty unhealthy lifestyle? Also pretty sure killing all the fat and niggers in the USA would make it stronger

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Weren't they infected due to having pretty unhealthy lifestyle? Also pretty sure killing all the fat and niggers in the USA would make it stronger

Also yes. Vast majority of westerners live a very unhealthy lifestyle, making it very easy to tailor a bioweapon to hit them the hardest. Instead of depending on genetic markers to identify westerners, have it go after countries with a lot of fat unhealthy people, gives the creator of the virus more plausible deniability.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Also yes. Vast majority of westerners live a very unhealthy lifestyle, making it very easy to tailor a bioweapon to hit them the hardest. Instead of depending on genetic markers to identify westerners, have it go after countries with a lot of fat unhealthy people, gives the creator of the virus more plausible deniability.

It's an interesting idea, but I think Japan and Europe have far healthier lifestyle on average to be affected while in comparison China has horrific pollution, and Russia has massive alcohol issue. So it's not like they wouldn't be affected from a virus targeting unhealthy lifestyle.

Also an obese genocider virus could easily hit the family of the elites, and would only increase combat effectiveness and toll on the health system in the long term

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

It's an interesting idea, but I think Japan and Europe have far healthier lifestyle on average to be affected while in comparison China has horrific pollution, and Russia has massive alcohol issue. So it's not like they wouldn't be affected from a virus targeting unhealthy lifestyle.

Also an obese genocider virus could easily hit the family of the elites, and would only increase combat effectiveness and toll on the health system in the long term

It's not just obesity alone. When combined with a poorly-ran and highly politicized healthcare system, it makes America seem as the prime target. But again, all theoretical, so who knows.

And why spare the family of the local elites? Who says that one clan of elites isn't waring with another? Besides they all do seem rather skinny.

 

[Otterly]

I thought the omicron was the benign variant of the diseases?

Omicron was created. It cannot physically have been natural. Not unless it was frozen in a stasis booth for a year or so. It was created (probably using that Japanese paper where they modelled out what such a thing might look like) and it was released. It did on balance more good than harm but we are still left with the questions of who did it and why? Was it white hats trying to put a stop to it or was it part of the original exercise? There was talk about ‘wild vaccines’ able to stop pandemics and this was part of the rationale for the whole Covid research. So it may have been a white hat or omicron may actually have been the key part of the Covid exercise

while in comparison China has horrific pollution, and Russia has massive alcohol issue.

There’s unhealthy and unhealthy . Covid seemed to really hit the metabolic syndrome type weaknesses. It might not have even been more fatal to hardened alkies and pollution is a broad church. It specifically hurt people who are fat and have insulin resistance. Smoking actually seems to have been mildly protective. It wasn’t ‘unhealthy’ people it hit, it was the very specific kind of accelerated ageing that the west has - metabolic syndrome, obesity etc.
. If you wanted to take out the Russians you’d just need to create super TB, and the Chinese are wiping themselves out as it is. That’s why they want Africa - when they’ve raped their own water air and soil like locusts they’ll move on.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

There’s unhealthy and unhealthy . Covid seemed to really hit the metabolic syndrome type weaknesses. It might not have even been more fatal to hardened alkies and pollution is a broad church. It specifically hurt people who are fat and have insulin resistance. Smoking actually seems to have been mildly protective. It wasn’t ‘unhealthy’ people it hit, it was the very specific kind of accelerated ageing that the west has - metabolic syndrome, obesity etc.

I've seen anecdotal evidence of it first hand, my unvaxxed grandfather who is both a smoker and a drinker has gotten over covid in about a week with no long-term effects.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

I have wondered if there’s a slight push for that from people who understand how vulnerable a genetically similar population would be.

Would not be surprising. Actually a surprisingly benign explanation for all the "interracial relationships are the best kind of relationships" media depictions. Sort of like how all of the suburban sprawl that everyone loves to hate about America happened because Cold War nuclear projections indicated that this organization of cities and suburbs would make it very hard to kill off half of the American population. Pressure to move out of the cities and into the burbs was a result of conscious efforts to geographically distribute human beings in an era of weapons with a larger blast radius than before.

 

[ATI Escapee]

Omicron was created. It cannot physically have been natural. Not unless it was frozen in a stasis booth for a year or so. It was created (probably using that Japanese paper where they modelled out what such a thing might look like) and it was released.

This is the first time Ive encountered this idea. I am intrigued. Any chance you have a link to that paper, or something similar explaining why Omicron couldn't be natural?

 

[Trump's Chosen]

I can't see bio weapons taking off besides accidents, it's way too volatile to target specific ethnicities (how would you even target Americans, who are the muttiest of them all?), can't be used covertly, probably affect you as bad as your enemies and will be answered immediately by nukes.

Stragically, this means the US has more to gain and less to risk than any other power.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Releasing a detrimental virus into the population wouldn't be an effective or intelligent plan anywhere except maybe North Korea. There's no control over the virus or mutations once it leaves a controlled lab setting. Sure it preserves land and resources to some degree, but you'd have to be absolutely certain your target is completely isolated for it to even be reasonable as a tactic.

 

[biglurker]

Personally I think the concept of biowarfare like that is no where near attainable right now. That is not saying that it could be possible, and there aren't governments trying their damnist to make it happen. However, I just don't see it happening even within 100 years. We don't have the genetic knowledge to pull it off, and assuming covid really was a leak from a bioweapon project, what we have achieved is really underwhelming.

I'd be less worried about the scifi biowarfare implications, and more about the educators suggesting the nuke was the ONLY option. That sounds like a grade A asspull to push their faggy ethics at the cost of realism. The outbreak could have been avoided by implementing a quarantine earlier, or/and keeping closer tabs on people that potentially have the virus. That alone would easily have prevented patient zeroes skipping town without killing everyone in a 10 mile radius. Most you would have to do is implement total rodent death and kill birds that can potentially carry it out of the town. (Granted, they would just asspull even more if you tried any of this )They were more concerned about teaching you to overreact at a maybe. That kind of logic creates situations where our future law makers are all too happy to over legislate over something they don't understand, and without any care to who they could hurt doing so.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Releasing a detrimental virus into the population wouldn't be an effective or intelligent plan anywhere except maybe North Korea. There's no control over the virus or mutations once it leaves a controlled lab setting. Sure it preserves land and resources to some degree, but you'd have to be absolutely certain your target is completely isolated for it to even be reasonable as a tactic.

What if the virus could be defeated by having healthy levels of vitamin D, common over-the-counter medication such as Ivermectin, or just not being an obese blob? It would still tear through America's lower classes like a fart through a tissue. With the help of the media/governing class, of course.

 

[Doctor Love]

Nobody has been nuked for covid, gruinard island, or the experiments the British and American governments have admitted to conducting on their own citizens.

The UK's role with the nuclear veterans is something to read up on.

Essentially, the state withheld medical treatment for the nuclear veterans for decades.

 

[Otterly]

but you'd have to be absolutely certain your target is completely isolated for it to even be reasonable as a tactic.

Yes, you are completely correct. And yet it was done.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Yes, you are completely correct. And yet it was done.

I'm still not so sure. We have a coronavirus or influenza outbreak at least once a decade from events quite similar to this one. We knew pretty quickly that while virulent and rapidly spreading, the virus and disease were evidently less severe than previous outbreaks like SARS and MERS which had far higher fatality rates, and for which the public response was far less histrionic. In my opinion, no virus was intentionally released - at least not for the purpose of getting people sick and killing them - and the outbreak was taken advantage of by multiple powers at once to control the populace and introduce draconian laws.

 

[Doctor Love]

Omicron was created. It cannot physically have been natural. Not unless it was frozen in a stasis booth for a year or so. It was created (probably using that Japanese paper where they modelled out what such a thing might look like) and it was released. It did on balance more good than harm but we are still left with the questions of who did it and why?

Oh fuck, I actually remember this.

It was suggested, at the time, to have come from the "Center for Emerging Zoonotic and Parasitic Diseases, Special Viral Pathologies Laboratory" in Johannesburg, South Africa - turns out, South Africa has developed disease control mechanisms which go far beyond most of the world. They have an area called the "Vector Control Reference Laboratory" which specialises in that shit.

So it may have been a white hat or omicron may actually have been the key part of the Covid exercise

Hence, this - the Johannesburg lab essentially produced a cure which was automatic. They were "memory-holed" because they fixed the problem with their way of doing things. It makes perfect sense to me - if there was one group of people who I would trust with contagious disease research, it'd be the ones who have survived this long in Africa.

This was around 3 months before they forced the vaccine in the UK, too - there's no secret among the government. They know the vaccines were shit, they saw that the Boers had completely upended their policies and fixed the entire problem, and they doubled down. They would never admit that the guys who they've been condemning for their entire lives were better than them and chose to keep up the charade for months.